Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Home-grown veg ruined by toxic fertiliser _http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/29/food.agriculture_ (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/29/food.agriculture) Gardeners across Britain are reaping a bitter harvest of rotten potatoes, w ithered salads and deformed tomatoes after an industrial herbicide tainted their soil. Caroline Davies reports on how the food chain became contaminated and talks to the angry allotment owners whose plots have been destroyed Caroline Davies The Observer, Sunday June 29, 2008 What's the solution? Join the debate and find out more _on our food blog_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html) Contaminated vegetables: who's to blame? _http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html) Gardeners have been warned not to eat home-grown vegetables contaminated by a powerful new herbicide that is destroying gardens and allotments across the UK. The Royal Horticultural Society (RHS) has been inundated with calls from concerned gardeners who have seen potatoes, beans, peas, carrots and salad vegetables wither or become grossly deformed. The society admitted that it had no idea of the extent of the problem, but said it appeared 'significant'. The affected gardens and allotments have been contaminated by manure originating from farms where the hormone- based herbicide aminopyralid has been sprayed on fields. Dow AgroSciences, which manufactures aminopyralid, has posted advice to allotment holders and gardeners on its website. Colin Bowers, Dow's UK grassland marketing manager, told The Observer that links to their products had been proved in some of the cases, but it was not clear whether aminopyralid was responsible for all of them and tests were continuing. 'It is undoubtedly a problem,' he said, 'and I have got full sympathy for everyone who is involved with this.' He said the company was unable to advise gardeners that it was 'safe' to consume vegetables that had come into contact with the manure because of pesticide regulations. 'All we can say is that the trace levels of aminopyralid that are likely to be in these crops are of such low levels that they are unlikely to cause a problem to human health.' The Dow website says: 'As a general rule, we suggest damaged produce (however this is caused) should not be consumed.' Those who have already used contaminated manure are advised not to replant on the affected soil for at least a year. Aminopyralid, which is found in several Dow products, the most popular being Forefront, a herbicide, is not licensed to be used on food crops and carries a label warning farmers using it not to sell manure that might contain residue to gardeners. The Pesticides Safety Directorate, which has issued a regulatory update on the weedkiller, is taking samples from affected plants for testing. Problems with the herbicide emerged late last year, when some commercial potato growers reported damaged crops. In response, Dow launched a campaign within the agriculture industry to ensure that farmers were aware of how the products should be used. Nevertheless, the herbicide has now entered the food chain. Those affected are demanding an investigation and a ban on the product. They say they have been given no definitive answer as to whether other produce on their gardens and allotments is safe to eat. It appears that the contamination came from grass treated 12 months ago. Experts say the grass was probably made into silage, then fed to cattle during the winter months. The herbicide remained present in the silage, passed through the animal and into manure that was later sold. Horses fed on hay that had been treated could also be a channel. Bryn Pugh, legal consultant at the National Society of Allotments and Leisure Gardeners, said he was preparing claims for some members to seek financial compensation from the manure suppliers. But it was extremely difficult to trace the exact origins of each contaminated batch. 'It seems to be everywhere. From what I know, it is endemic throughout England and Wales. We will be pressing the government to ban this product,' he said. Aminopyralid is popular with farmers, who spray it on grassland because it controls weeds such as docks, thistles and nettles without affecting the grass around them. It binds itself to the woody tissue in the grass and only breaks down when exposed to bacteria in the soil. Shirley Murray, 53, a retired management consultant with an allotment near Bushy Park in Hampton, south-west London, said several of her allotment neighbours had used the same manure bought from a stables and all were affected. 'I am absolutely incensed at what has happened and find it scandalous that a weedkiller sprayed more than one year ago, that has passed through an animal's gut, was kicked around on a stable floor, stored in a muck heap in a field, then on an allotment site and was finally dug into or mulched on to beds last winter is still killing " sensitive " crops and will continue to do so for the next year,' she said. 'It's very toxic, it shouldn't get into the food chain. You try to be as organic as you can and we have poisoned ourfood. I've been everywhere, emailed all the right people, but nobody will speak on the record to guarantee what is safe to eat. We all think it is a scandal. Not to mention what it has cost in time and money.' Pesticide expert Professor Vyvyan Howard, a toxico-pathologist at Ulster University, said it was 'a very powerful herbicide' but in his opinion was 'unlikely to pose any human health risks'. However, advice about its use should be strengthened, he said. 'I think the thing that is going to drive this is the commercial damage that could be done to market gardeners,' he said. Guy Barter, the RHS head of horticultural advisory services, said they were receiving more than 20 calls a week. 'Our advice is not to eat the vegetables because no one seems to have any idea whether it is safe to eat them and we can't give any assurances,' he said. 'It is happening all over the country. A lot of cases we are seeing is where people have got manure from stables and the stable have bought their hay from a merchant, and the merchant might have bought hay from many farmers, possibly from different parts of the country. So they have no idea where the hay came from. So finding someone to blame is quite difficult.' Weedkiller in the soil should dissipate by next year, but in stacks of contaminated manure it might take two or more years to decay, he added. Dow is planning a major publicity campaign to reiterate warnings to farmers over usage, and to encourage allotment holders to check the provenance of manure that they put down in an effort to prevent the problem escalating. On compensation, it was less forthcoming. 'There is no easy answer to that,' said Bowers. 'The first port of call is always where the manure comes from. From that point on, I can't really comment. 'The chain is horrendously complicated. In the cases we have managed to trace back, we might find that the farmer who supplied the manure didn't spray anything himself, but he might have bought in a couple of bales of silage from one of his neighbours, and that farm might have sprayed.' Robin and Christina Jones spread a large amount of manure over their flower garden and vegetable patch at their home in Banstead, Surrey. When the potatoes failed, Robin took a sample to the RHS, which identified aminopyralid. His neighbour, who bought from the same source, suffered the same problems. 'We have lost 80 per cent of our vegetable patch,' said Jones, 65, a retired sound engineer. Raspberries, French beans, onions, leeks, even a newly planted robina tree were all affected. 'We are distraught. But what worries me is that the courgettes look very healthy. Had we not had the problem with the potatoes, we might never have realised. Now we are advised not to eat them. 'This is a very serious issue, and people must be made aware of the advice not to eat vegetables grown in contaminated manure.' Sue Ainsworth, 58, an education consultant, said around 20 allotments at her site in Hale, Cheshire, had been affected. 'We first noticed with the potatoes. As they came through, they were deformed, all curled over and rotten underneath. But the worry is that the courgettes also planted on the manure are fine - but are they safe to eat? This must have affected thousands of people. I am really worried about this product and really think it should be withdrawn.' She said the farmer who supplied the manure said he had used nothing unusual. 'But he may have bought in the straw and genuinely knew nothing about the herbicide used.' Susan Garrett, 57, an IT consultant, said 20 plots were affected at her allotment in Wakefield, West Yorkshire. 'And that is just the plants we can see are damaged. We are angry it has been allowed to happen - not with the chemical company, but because there doesn't seem to be any protection for us or anything to stop it happening again.' How to deal with the problem Do you have contaminated manure? Tell-tale symptoms of crop damage include distorted foliage, with cupping of leaves and fern-like growth. There are no remedies once damage has occurred. Susceptible crops include potatoes, tomatoes, beans, peas, carrots and lettuce. How should you deal with the affected area? Experts say rotavation is the best practice, or forking over several times as soon as possible. This incorporates the plant tissue into the soil, where it will decompose and the chemicals will eventually be degraded by soil microbes. Repeat the rotavation in late summer/early autumn. Should you replant this season? No. The plant residues need to be given time to break down. The advice is not to replant for a year. Why has the chemical lasted so long? Aminopyralid, like other herbicides, works by binding strongly to plant tissues. Once the plant's tissues decay, the chemical breaks down in the soil. If manure is stacked it takes far longer. This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday June 29 2008 on p8 of the News section. It was last updated at 00:07 on June 29 2008. What's the solution? Join the debate and find out more _on our food blog_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html) Contaminated vegetables: who's to blame? _http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html) Who is responsible for the dispersal of contaminated manure? Gardeners who have unwittingly poisoned their own vegetables _by applying manure contaminated with a powerful new herbicide_ (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/29/food.agriculture) are incensed - and rightly so. Seeing months of hard work result in deformed and withered produce must be heartbreaking. But this is the picture on _allotments and vegetable plots_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/allotment/) across the UK because manure containing the hormone-based herbicide aminopyralid has been sold to grow-your-own enthusiasts. It is something that should never have happened. The herbicide - introduced just two years ago by Dow AgroSciences Ltd and _found in several of its products_ (http://www.dowagro.com/uk/grass_bites/faq/allotment.htm) - is not approved to be used on food crops. It carries a warning to that effect on its label. There are warnings, too, about ensuring manure from livestock which has grazed or been fed grass treated with the weedkiller does not find its way onto gardens. But, as affected gardeners view their distorted potatoes, tomatoes, beans and peas and wonder if their other vegetables are safe to eat, it is clear something has gone badly wrong. And now they are _looking for someone to blame_ (http://www.pesticides.gov.uk/garden.asp?id=2465) . Should the finger be pointed at Dow AgroSciences? While admitting some of the manure can be linked back to their products, the company says it is by no means clear that all the episodes of contamination now being reported are as a result of aminopyralid. They have broken no rules. Nevertheless, they acknowledge it is " undoubtedly' a problem. To help, they have set up an _online hotline and posted an information page on their website_ (http://www.dowagro.com/uk/grass_bites/faq/allotment.htm) which advises concerned people to email them at _UKHotline_ (UKHotline) . They are also now planning a publicity campaign to drive home the message to farmers that they must handle these products with utmost care, and to warn gardeners they must check the provenance of any manure they buy. Should the farmer who sold the manure be held responsible? That is not an easy one. In some cases the farmer had not sprayed his grassland at all and behaved completely responsibly, but still the manure was contaminated. One explanation could be that the farmer bought in silage off other farmers to feed livestock - and one of them had been sprayed. Or, perhaps, it came from a horse fed hay bought from a hay merchant, who bought from several farmers. Tracing back the chain becomes horribly complicated. Should the product be banned? Certainly that's the opinion of some gardeners I spoke to for _the story in today's Observer_ (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/29/food.agriculture) . Or will strengthening the label warning be enough to prevent the problem escalating? These are just some of the questions currently being debated in _the gardening community_ (http://www.rhs.org.uk/news/Weedkiller-manure.asp) . Comments EvilClanger Comment No. _1192140_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192140) _June 28 22:05_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192140) This goes to show that we really do reap what we sow in the food chain and the environment. Put something nasty into a system and somewhere along the line something nasty will come back out, in this case in the manure. Very harsh on those who thought that they were avoiding precisely this sort of thing. Veganic gardening (which excludes slaughterhouse and animal waste products) and attempting as much self-sufficiency as you can are ways forward that reduce the dangers of this. That's not one compost bin but the full Monty (Don)-a row of them, together with green manures and your own comfrey production. If the product that Dow are producing is this much of a problem as a residual, then IMHO it should be withdrawn and banned. The risk factors from residual damage are just too great. It is clearly getting into the environment as a residual in a condition that causes environmental damage. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192140, was written by EvilClanger, at June 28, 2008 10:05 PM, and starts with This goes to show that we really do reap what we sow in the food chain and the environment. Put some) rabblerouser Comment No. _1192384_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192384) _June 29 5:13_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192384) Of course this is a disgrace. But really, is anyone surprised? The challenges that we are collectivley facing in the world (energy 'crisis', global economic depression, continued environmental degredation, the fear sponsored illiberal agenda, and so much more) are neither inevitable or insurmountable. That is to say they are happening - but we can stop them. To do so requires an understanding of their origin. The challenges we face are not unrelated or accidental. And please, hear me out. It is patently obvious to any rational and observant individual that our economic and political systems are (and by 'our' I mean globally, as the same challenges and threats are apparent in most Nation States) not serving 'we the people'. The EU and it's unaccountable bureacracy has been forced down the necks of each Nation time and again. When the Brits, Danes, or Irish are asked to bless the loss of Sovereignty - and don't... they are asked until they do... or they stop asking and plough on regardless. What happened to representative democracy? The concept that our public servants were just that - servants of us, the public. When did we allow our representatives to become our rulers? Did we not work this one out a few hundred years ago? The American's thought they had, yet take a hop over the pond and see the same thing occuring there. The (rightly) much vaunted Constitution is, in effect, in tatters. That the papers laying the foundation of a North American Union have been signed by the presidents of Mexico and the USA and the former PM of Candada remains a mystery to most. That a new currency 'the Amero' is also envisioned, makes the Federal Reserve Bank's actions to run the USD into the ground even more suspicious. In Europe, as in N America, our rights to enjoy the health benefits of Vitamin supplements, herbs, and Anthroposophical wisdom are all under threat. The point is - and let me be concise rather than labour this argument any further (if you are still with me I thank you - and remind you that we are supposed to be discussing who's to blame for poisoned food!). We are to blame. You and me. Why? Because we know better. Because the writing is on the wall, and if we ignore it we do so at our peril. The challenges we face collectivley are offering us the opportunity to unite at both the grass roots and globally to overcome the 'old order' who so derire a " New World Order " . It is time for us to reclaim our power - through the power of thought and intention and right action. Now is a time to Act, or, to Re-Act. It is not a time for inaction. Aldous Huxley said in his later years that his dystopian predictions of a 'Brave New World' seemed to be encroching ever nearer, and that the only solution was effective grass roots action - he lamented that such action did not seem to occuring. Today I look around and feel much more positive and enlivened that he must have. We can change the world for the better, indeed we are. What issues like this one concerning toxic manure present us with, is an opportunity to take positive action. Be it petitioning your MP or finding unpoluted land to re-plant on or leading a protest to close down the production and distribution of such toxic chemicals in your country or town. ....do something! Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192384, was written by rabblerouser, at June 29, 2008 5:13 AM, and starts with Of course this is a disgrace. But really, is anyone surprised?The challenges that we are collecti) JacNZ Comment No. _1192391_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192391) _June 29 6:04_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192391) This should be a warning to all who think they can answer the worlds food problems industrially. For they (DOW) are the very people who are lobbying to get us to plant genetically modifioed crops, so we have to spray more of their products on our soils. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192391, was written by JacNZ, at June 29, 2008 6:04 AM, and starts with This should be a warning to all who think they can answer the worlds food problems industrially. Fo) icurahuman2 Comment No. _1192398_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192398) _June 29 6:44_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192398) Oh ye of too much faith! If you use any kind of herbicide or insecticide you are flirting with danger. Try typing glyphosate and cancer into your web search engine and see what comes up. What you will find is a lot of evidence that RoundUp ,which is really glyphosate, is tied to non-Hogkins lymphoma, the fastest rising cancer in the world. So there you have it in a nutshell, the chemical companies, who sell tens of thousands of chemical products do not test there products very well for effects on humans, or anything else for that matter as it appears that RoundUp destroys subsoil bacteria as well, along with everything up to birds that eat worms from contaminated soil. What makes you think that this chemical is any different? When you think of herbicides and insecticides all you have to do is think, homicide, suicide, patricide, matricide and infanticide and you'll get a much better idea of what you are putting in your mouth. Oh, by the way, how are the cattle doing that consumed the contaminated grass and silage? Have you eaten any of it lately? Good luck with all of that! Dummies! Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192398, was written by icurahuman2, at June 29, 2008 6:44 AM, and starts with Oh ye of too much faith! If you use any kind of herbicide or insecticide you are flirting with dang) festina Comment No. _1192437_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192437) _June 29 8:35_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192437) yes icurahuman 2, not suitable for human consumption but, fed to animals bred for human consumption, strange practice. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192437, was written by festina, at June 29, 2008 8:35 AM, and starts with yes icurahuman 2, not suitable for human consumption but, fed to animals bred for human consumption) Nicoise Comment No. _1192452_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192452) _June 29 9:05_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192452) Confirmation, as if it was needed, that our food chain is still broken, that DEFRA and government is guilty of incompetence and political compromises and that this will not change without radical public protest. So take-up your manure and rotten vegetables and head to your local MP's summer residence and ensure that they are at least put to a good use and thoroughly re-cycled. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192452, was written by Nicoise, at June 29, 2008 9:05 AM, and starts with Confirmation, as if it was needed, that our food chain is still broken, that DEFRA and government is) diddlyoompah Comment No. _1192519_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192519) _June 29 10:47_ (http://blogs.guardian.c o.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#comment-1192519) Um... Isn't this the company that bought Union Carbide, the firm that, in December 1984 poisoned and killed 3,800 people in Bhopal, and maimed another 100,000 or so? Google Bhopal if you didn't know about it. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192519, was written by diddlyoompah, at June 29, 2008 10:47 AM, and starts with Um... Isn't this the company that bought Union Carbide, the firm that, in December 1984 poisoned an) madmustelid Comment No. _1192531_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192531) _June 29 10:55_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192531) It is clear now, if it wasn't earlier, that there is a plain risk of damage caused by the release of this product. Therefore, anyone from now on selling or using it would seem to be putting themselves at risk of charges of criminal negligence should this happen again. Penalties should include compensation for lost crops and punitive damages for the careless nature of the continuation of supply, particularly in the face of unknown hazards to human health. Dow, are you listening? Class action, anyone? Of course, we can't expect DEFRA, the FSA, or any other Government Agency to take up the cudgel (or even a rolled-up newspaper) - the agrochemical industry is too good source of funds and future patronage, while our elected representatives are too absorbed with the mirage of " terrorist threats " to be concerned with real and present dangers to actual people. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192531, was written by madmustelid, at June 29, 2008 10:55 AM, and starts with It is clear now, if it wasn't earlier, that there is a plain risk of damage caused by the release of) demeter Comment No. _1192548_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192548) _June 29 11:08_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192548) I'm one of the affected growers. My crops this year are ruined and probably next year too going by the experience of other growers hit last year. I've lost money and crops and no-one will come clean and say, yes or no, that any fruit or veg I manage to produce are safe to eat. The manufacturer of the weedkiller alleged to be causing the problem applied for a licence in New York State. They were forced to withdraw the licence application because the licensing authority rejected the data submitted in support of the application on the environmental fate of the product and the extreme variation in half-lives under different soil conditions. Was DEFRA satisfied with the data rejected by the New York State authorities? There is a fundamental flaw in the process whereby use of the weedkiller is controlled. Commercial growers who spray their fields are obliged to notify their customers that spraying has taken place. But those customers are not the persons supplying the affected amateur growers. Amateur growers are at the end of the supply chain and may be 5 or 6 times removed from the original supplier. It is clear from the scale of the problem that the sprayed warning is not accompanying the sprayed product down the supply chain. And from my own experience, it is virtually impossible to trace the source of the contamination from over a year ago from a stables that has multiple sources of bedding and feed. So I have no redress. It's scandalous. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192548, was written by demeter, at June 29, 2008 11:08 AM, and starts with I'm one of the affected growers. My crops this year are ruined and probably next year too going by) glallotments Comment No. _1192580_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192580) _June 29 11:35_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192580) If you are interested in reading about our experience with lots of photos of what affected crops look like then you could visit our webpage _http://www.glallotments.btik.com/p_Contaminated_Manure.ikml_ (http://www.glallotments.btik.com/p_Contaminated_Manure.ikml) Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192580, was written by glallotments, at June 29, 2008 11:35 AM, and starts with If you are interested in reading about our experience with lots of photos of what affected crops loo) alice2008 Comment No. _1192602_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192602) _June 29 11:58_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192602) I am using compost and grow bags containing " soil improvers " and " nutrimate " Does anyone know if there is a possibility that such products might have been contaminated,thus explaining my sickly tomatoes? Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & amp\ ;body=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192602, was written by alice2008, at June 29, 2008 11:58 AM, and starts with I am using compost and grow bags containing " soil improvers " and " nutrimate " Does anyone know if the) demeter Comment No. _1192627_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192627) _June 29 12:13_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192627) Alice, the growth pattern of affected plants is very distinctive and is only caused by this weedkiller. The tomato photograph at the head of this blog shows the growth pattern very clearly. If yours don't look like that, you don't have this problem and need to look elsewhere for an answer. You could join a gardening or allotment forum, post a photograph and ask for advice. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192627, was written by demeter, at June 29, 2008 12:13 PM, and starts with Alice, the growth pattern of affected plants is very distinctive and is only caused by this weedkill) maggib1943 Comment No. _1192719_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192719) _June 29 14:04_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192719) About 3 years ago, my tomatoes, growing in a pot, developed symptoms of hormone weedkiller damage. Exactly as described in this article. As I'm a committed organic gardener, working in the business for many years, this was not possible. I sent samples of the plants to the RHs who confirmed my suspicions. No one around me had vegetable gardens. The only way the tomatoes could have been contaminated was through manure that I had added to my compost heap 12 months earlier. It came from a barn where calves had been reared, from a local farm. At the time I found the idea rather far-fetched, but it was the only possible route. Now I have confirmation. But how can we ordinary gardeners guard against these powerful chemicals? They must be swirling around all the time - it makes those lovely leisurely country walks far less appealing...... Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192719, was written by maggib1943, at June 29, 2008 2:04 PM, and starts with About 3 years ago, my tomatoes, growing in a pot, developed symptoms of hormone weedkiller damage. E) Herbali Comment No. _1192758_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192758) _June 29 14:47_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192758) We are a small co-operative and were delighted to have our first poly-tunnel, in which we built raised beds, and dug in plenty of what we thought was good quality manure. We have watched in horror as our tomatoes and aubergines curled up and died - we're now faced with digging out the whole tunnel before we can grow anything next year. In addition, I'm a herbalist and had top-dressed some valuable medicinal herbs which I'd raised from seed for three years. To destroy these not only loses me a lot of money, but means I have to wait for another three years to get some more plants mature enough to use. It seems clear that we're far from the only people affected, and market gardeners stand to lose much more than we do. Individual farmers who've used this stuff on their hay crops cannot be held to blame - unless the warnings are really clear and in big bold lettering, they're unlikely to realise that this chemical is any different from all the others they've used over the years. Dow must be held completely liable - they must have known that this herbicide would be used on crops which could get into the food chain. They should be held accountable, and made to open a full-scale investigation. We need to know if our crops are safe to eat, not just now but over the next few years. We need to know what are the likely effects on us of food we have already eaten before we knew about this. What about anyone who is pregnant? What are the likely effects on unborn children? I applaud the Observer for reporting on this, and ask the paper to launch a full-scale investigation on behalf of your readers who are trying to produce our own food. Hold Dow to account, and don't rest until all our questions are answered. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192758, was written by Herbali, at June 29, 2008 2:47 PM, and starts with We are a small co-operative and were delighted to have our first poly-tunnel, in which we built rais) snick Comment No. _1192769_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192769) _June 29 14:57_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192769) Our community gardening program is very strict on what we can bring into the plots, but it is clear that policy is not so easily enforced. How can one know for certain that manure or even compost is " clean " ? Apart from using one's own composted garden waste, unless you have access to manure of known origin, the corporate profiteers at Dow and MonSatan will insinuate their products into the ecosystem. What I wouldn't give to put their ilk out of business! We don't need them. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192769, was written by snick, at June 29, 2008 2:57 PM, and starts with Our community gardening program is very strict on what we can bring into the plots, but it is clear) gazpacho Comment No. _1192831_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192831) _June 29 15:49_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192831) Great article and comments. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192831, was written by gazpacho, at June 29, 2008 3:49 PM, and starts with Great article and comments.) glallotments Comment No. _1192861_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192861) _June 29 16:10_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192861) Someone conatcing our website suspects a bag of compost bought for an internet supplier. When investigating the supplier said the main component in the compost was grass!! PDS told us that our manure may have been affected by herbicide sprayed in 2006. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192861, was written by glallotments, at June 29, 2008 4:10 PM, and starts with Someone conatcing our website suspects a bag of compost bought for an internet supplier. When invest) glallotments Comment No. _1192870_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192870) _June 29 16:16_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192870) The manufacturers warnings are bold and clear (if you read them it seems incredible that anyone actually buys the stuff!) but it seems that information gets lost in the chain of supply. The person who applies the chemical can't miss the warnings. _http://www.dowagro.com/PublishedLiterature/dh_00c1/0901b803800c1a23.pdf?filep ath=/uk/pdfs/noreg/011-01477.pdf & fromPage=GetDoc_ (http://www.dowagro.com/PublishedLiterature/dh_00c1/0901b803800c1a23.pdf?filepat\ h=/uk/pdfs/noreg/011-01477 ..pdf & fromPage=GetDoc) Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192870, was written by glallotments, at June 29, 2008 4:16 PM, and starts with The manufacturers warnings are bold and clear (if you read them it seems incredible that anyone actu) demeter Comment No. _1192903_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192903) _June 29 16:41_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192903) In investigating this for our allotments, I've been in touch with another site that was first affected in 2007 and their crops are still damaged this year by the initial application of contaminated manure. I've heard, but not personally verified, that local council compost is to be avoided because Parks and Gardens Depts use this stuff and the grass cuttings are composted. Offensive? 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For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192903, was written by demeter, at June 29, 2008 4:41 PM, and starts with In investigating this for our allotments, I've been in touch with another site that was first affect) gardener1 Comment No. _1192929_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192929) _June 29 17:05_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192929) (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192931) (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192932) (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192943) Thankyou Observer for your article- my potatoes are affected, and we went straight up to the farm where we got the manure! The farmer looked at the spray he had used and sure enough... So where do we go from here? How can we make sure this stuff is banned? Obviously people supplying manure are not complying with the recommendations on the pesticide tin. Incidentally, I live in Scotland- I notice your article only mentioned England and Wales. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1192943, was written by gardener1, at June 29, 2008 5:15 PM, and starts with Thankyou Observer for your article- my potatoes are affected, and we went straight up to the farm wh) gardener1 Comment No. _1192945_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192945) _June 29 17:16_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1192945) (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193046) Composted green waste from the Council SHOULD be free of this herbicide. I've been using this material for a long time with no ill effects. The problem is, that anyone can tip any sort of green waste into the bins at the recycling centre, so all sorts of nasties can end up there. But only amateur gardeners can use these areas so in theory such heavy duty products won't enter the waste stream this way. The contractors who compost green waste material should have test data regarding pathogens - but I doubt that they will test for a herbicide at this level. Pandora's box has been well and truly opened. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193046, was written by maggib1943, at June 29, 2008 7:35 PM, and starts with Composted green waste from the Council SHOULD be free of this herbicide. I've been using this materi) flagrant Comment No. _1193075_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193075) _June 29 20:44_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193075) As regards pesticides of any description, they have all, over time, been shown to be dangerous despite what the manufacturers say. The latest batch of agri chemicals will over time be shown to be far more harmful than the chemical corporations say. I remember in my anti gm crop trashing days , attending a meeting with a representative from Monsanto who claimed that Glyphosate was no more dangerous than table salt. When challenged to drink the equalivalent of half a teaspoon of his poison he declined. The manufacturers of these chemicals are all highly intelligent chemists, the labels they by law have to put on their products state the many dangers associated with the normal application of the chemicals. However profit and career advancement matters more to them than being good and improving the world. They wrap their profiteering up in spin about " feeding the world " , and say that to challenge their methods is imorral and sentacing people to starvation. They dwell in a world of greed, if they were intent on doing real good they would divert their £.millions into developing a better understanding of soils, and doing some sensible sustainable plant breeding that works in tune with nature, rather than providing more money for their fat cat overlords. The solution? Well we basically need a revolution. One that takes power from the corporations and gives it back to governments. In tandem with this we need a propper system of accountability within government. When Britain was asked for its opinion on the GM debate we stated clearly, as a nation that we were against it in all forms. Our democratic? government is letting GMO's through the back door as we speak. As individuals all we can do is turn our backs on our corporate would be masters, they do us no favours. Ignore their adverts, ignore their products, try to source all products locally, directly from the producer, change our economy from one that gives profit to big business, to one that provides a living for our neighbours. None of this helps those with poisoned veg patches, but it would be a start. We dont need the corporate green " revolutions " , start our own green revolution, then maybe humans and nature can go back to living in harmony with one another again. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193075, was written by flagrant, at June 29, 2008 8:44 PM, and starts with As regards pesticides of any description, they have all, over time, been shown to be dangerous despi) CeeMe Comment No. _1193079_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193079) _June 29 20:52_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193079) While not immediately affected by the release of this toxic chemical, as someone who buys and grows organic food, I'm horrified the Dow is allowed to sell this chemical in Britain. Since its movement through the food chain cannot be controlled, it should be banned immediately, no ifs, ands, or buts. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193079, was written by CeeMe, at June 29, 2008 8:52 PM, and starts with While not immediately affected by the release of this toxic chemical, as someone who buys and grows) LeonC Comment No. _1193080_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193080) _June 29 20:54_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193080) When I read this article about tainted soil the word Bhopal immediately came to mind. The contamination of gardens and allotments of the UK is so disgusting that someone/s at Dow UK should publicly and very visible fall on their sword/s. And Mr Brown, don't even think the GM word! Or any other PM that wants to go GM for that matter! Dow, Monsanto, they are all the same, they seem to have no moral or ethical responsibility for their actions when they go wrong. All they can think of doing is side stepping and PRing. If we live in a really civilized society real accountability has to be seen to be done. LeonC Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193080, was written by LeonC, at June 29, 2008 8:54 PM, and starts with When I read this article about tainted soil the word Bhopal immediately came to mind. The contamin) Rebsie Comment No. _1193101_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193101) _June 29 21:55_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193101) An immediate voluntary withdrawal is called for, with a follow-up total ban ASAP. But prepare to watch Dow squirm in every conceivable direction to avoid accepting liability. As others have said, it is a scandal. As a breeder of vegetables who has mercifully escaped any damage for the moment (though I do use manure) I find it heartbreaking to see people losing the crops they've lovingly raised. Things grown in gardens and allotments have an emotional investment in them and are way more than just 'produce'. Some of us grow heirloom varieties which are irreplaceable. Dow are morally responsible, and their board should be paraded through the streets in shame and have their bottoms thrashed with stingy-nettles until they promise to make amends for their loathsome product. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193101, was written by Rebsie, at June 29, 2008 9:55 PM, and starts with An immediate voluntary withdrawal is called for, with a follow-up total ban ASAP. But prepare to wat) Kepler Comment No. _1193328_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193328) _June 29 23:44_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193328) Going back to the original question: who's to blame? The USSR government. Duh! Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193328, was written by Kepler, at June 29, 2008 11:44 PM, and starts with Going back to the original question: who's to blame?The USSR government. Duh!) Kepler Comment No. _1193329_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193329) _June 29 23:45_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193329) (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193357) We have a field, which a contractor sprays once a year to rid it of the weeds (some of which are toxic to stock) that would otherwise overwhelm it, or overwhelm us in trying to remove them by hand. Last year, he told us that the new stuff he was using was much more effective - we soon noticed that indeed it was. We've put our sheep's muck, and that of a friend's pony who also lives there, on a muck-heap for some time, and then let it rot it down. The muck heap then goes into the soil where we grow tomatoes in the greenhouse. The hay we feed the sheep on in the winter has probably also been sprayed with the same stuff. Funny, we thought it was all rather sustainable. This year, we could not figure out why our tomatoes have curled and clubbed leaves, and are so thin and weedy. Everything else in our veg garden is fed by " heap " compost, and is fine. No-one seems to know - most years, we have a glut, and the plants by now would be in full flowering glory. I chanced across the article in today's paper, and on went a light in my head. We can't blame our contractor for not passing on the most unlikely of warnings, dependent upon an unlikely chain of events even if he knew what we did with the muck, no doubt hidden at the foot of some closely-typed user instructions. The funny thing was, this week we watched the film Michael Clayton on DVD. It's about a lawyer who gets sick of defending a corrupt agri-chemical giant that buried evidence that its fertiliser caused cancer in farmers. And no, we won't be eating the few tomatoes that the plants have produced. And have you ever tried rotorvating a greenhouse, as Dow suggest we do to break the stuff down? Yes, I'd be up for a class action, but my money's on Dow to shift the blame onto the contractors, farmers and hay merchants for failing to heed the printed warnings, and escape liability that way. " As ye sow, so shall ye reap " ... ha! Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193357, was written by RudyRude, at June 29, 2008 11:58 PM, and starts with We have a field, which a contractor sprays once a year to rid it of the weeds (some of which are tox) RudyRude Comment No. _1193371_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193371) _June 30 0:04_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193371) Oh, heck, we eat the sheep as well. And the eggs from the hens that we keep that roam the fields. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193371, was written by RudyRude, at June 30, 2008 12:04 AM, and starts with Oh, heck, we eat the sheep as well. And the eggs from the hens that we keep that roam the fields.) trewyth Comment No. _1193691_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193691) _June 30 7:20_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193691) Well said, Rabblerouser! (2nd posting). I urge everyone to read this and then go on to do your own research into what is really happening in the world. Unfortunately the nearest any comment like this gets to the mainstream media is in a blog such as this. The MSM is actually part of the problem! Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193691, was written by trewyth, at June 30, 2008 7:20 AM, and starts with Well said, Rabblerouser! (2nd posting). I urge everyone to read this and then go on to do your own r) rosyglow Comment No. _1193702_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193702) _June 30 7:40_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193702) No story has angered me as much as this one. That these people who have 'farmed' according to their conscience, spending money and time and all that hard work to grow some of their food should be cheated like this is nothing short of tragic. However, don't expect Dow to take any responsibility, they'll wiggle out of it. Apart from the residue of chemicals getting into the food chain people have to make the stuff; what sort of long-term problems might they encounter? Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193702, was written by rosyglow, at June 30, 2008 7:40 AM, and starts with No story has angered me as much as this one. That these people who have 'farmed' according to their) leglise Comment No. _1193707_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193707) _June 30 7:48_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193707) does anyone use a lawn care company to de weed the lawn?.....and what do you do with the compost? I will check with mine today! Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193707, was written by leglise, at June 30, 2008 7:48 AM, and starts with does anyone use a lawn care company to de weed the lawn?.....and what do you do with the compost?I) frog2 Comment No. _1193745_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193745) _June 30 8:36_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193745) AMINO PYRA LID I cut the word in three to make it more memorisable... when I transmitted to gardening friends here in france. Our government has a pesticides observatory site, with " aminopyralid " on it, , now need Excel to read ... Spread the word, everybody . Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193745, was written by frog2, at June 30, 2008 8:36 AM, and starts with AMINO PYRA LID I cut the word in three to make it more memorisable... when I transmitted to garde) Terran Comment No. _1193757_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193757) _June 30 8:47_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193757) These might be possible avenues to explore with respect to mitigating exposure to agricultural or other chemicals. Mycoremediation _http://www.fungi.com/mycotech/mycova.html_ (http://www.fungi.com/mycotech/mycova.html) Bioremediation With Effective Microorganisms _http://www.emamerica.com//index.php?option=com_content & task=blogcategory & id=1 37 & Itemid=199_ (http://www.emamerica.com//index.php?option=com_content & task=blogcategory & id=137\ & Itemid=199) _http://www.go-emco.co.jp/en/agents/_ (http://www.go-emco.co.jp/en/agents/) I am not an agent of, or affiliated with either of these companies. Terran Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193757, was written by Terran, at June 30, 2008 8:47 AM, and starts with These might be possible avenues to explore with respect to mitigating exposure to agricultural or ot) bigshod Comment No. _1193776_ (http:// blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#comment-11\ 93776) _June 30 9:03_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193776) Action is certainly required. If a product such as this is so persistent that it can last for up to two years in waste and is virtually untraceable to source and undetectable until it is too late, users of manure can no longer rely on their traditional source of soil enrichment. In the West Midlands area of north Birmingham, Walsall and Sandwell there have been many allotment sites affected by manure from a usually reliable source, but this year crop failure has been widespread due to poisoning from herbicide residues. Official bodies such as DEFRA and the Pesticide Safety Directorate, as we have found from our contacts with them, sit on their hands. We have been advised to contact our local Environmental Health Ofice. We have, with varying degrees of success, but they have not the resources to investigate the matter properly. We need a coordinated attack on this problem, first to establish the size of the problem, then to campaign to raise public awareness and finally to push whoever we can to get this poison isolated and even banned. One of our gardening umbrella groups may take this on? RHS, Garden Organic, NSALG? Could Prince Charles be Patron of our cause? Is it true that we are the first European country to use it? Have there been similar problems in the USA? Many questions and as yet too few answers but the facts remain - many of our allotment holders have lost this years crop, next years crop and have no hobby to enjoy, and this will no doubt be repeated on many more unsuspecting sites in the years to come unless this insidious product is at least more tightly controlled or, better, banned. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193776, was written by bigshod, at June 30, 2008 9:03 AM, and starts with Action is certainly required. If a product such as this is so persistent that it can last for up to) efr1 Comment No. _1193826_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193826) _June 30 9:29_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193826) 1)The Final Solution. SUE. This is standard US practice to experiment on the sheople.. pay later or avoid paying if possible. I will not list examples here as the moderators may think it too inflamatory. Lots of US lawyers will offer to sue on your behalf for a big chunk of the proceeds if any. Afew mangled marrows is small chees for the big CORPS. eg. LOS ANGELES (AFP) - A Denver, Colorado court has fined Dow Chemical Co. and Boeing Co. a combined 926 million dollars for property damages caused by plutonium contamination from a nuclear weapons plant. _http://news./s/afp/20080603/bs_afp/ustrialfinecompanyboeingdowchemic al_ (http://news./s/afp/20080603/bs_afp/ustrialfinecompanyboeingdowchemical\ ) DOW can do it too.. " Yes that's right - the very people Dow should be helping are now facing a lawsuit from one of the world most powerful corporations. Why are they acting in such an amazingly perverse manner? On December 2nd a peaceful march of 200 women survivors from Bhopal delivered toxic waste from the abandoned Carbide factory back to Dow's Indian headquarters in Bombay with the demand that Dow take responsibility for the disaster and clean up the site. Dow obviously has other ideas because they are suing survivors for about $10,000 US for " loss of work. " That's $10,000 US compensation demanded for a two hour peaceful protest where only one Dow employee briefly ventured out of the Mumbai corporate business park to meet the women protestors. " _http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/dow-chemical-sues-survivors_ (http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/dow-chemical-sues-survivors) 2) The intermediate solution.. Boycott all DOW products and anyone doing " business " with DOW. Includes WMD, GM.,Toxic Coke.. etc. see also _http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=572_ (http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=572) _http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=9568_ (http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=9568) Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193826, was written by efr1, at June 30, 2008 9:29 AM, and starts with 1)The Final Solution.SUE.This is standard US practice to experiment on the sheople.. pay later or) efr1 Comment No. _1193828_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193828) _June 30 9:29_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193828) I'm wondering if these 'Chemtrails' have anything to do with it. The big boys have known for some time things were going to get hard for us all and take up growing stuff, so they aerial spray us all. Do a web search on chemtrails see what you think. Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193847, was written by john5000, at June 30, 2008 9:37 AM, and starts with I'm wondering if these 'Chemtrails' have anything to do with it. The big boys have known for some ti) efr1 Comment No. _1193867_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193867) _June 30 9:47_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193867) Sorry my comment was posted twice somehow.. I re-read some of the intro. " Should the farmer who sold the manure be held responsible? That is not an easy one. In some cases the farmer had not sprayed his grassland at all and behaved completely responsibly.. " And in some cases the farmer died and another bought his mess (As DOW did with Union Carbide.) Holy Cow! Absolutely incredible display of ignorance about cow dung.. where it goes.. and of corporate irresponsibility. Smoke and mirrors! Brings to mind the cooking fires I saw coming in to land in Delhi 30 years ago... Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & amp\ ;body=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1193867, was written by efr1, at June 30, 2008 9:47 AM, and starts with Sorry my comment was posted twice somehow.. I re-read some of the intro. " Should the farmer who so) efr1 Comment No. _1193868_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193868) _June 30 9:48_ (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html#co\ mment-1193868) If you really want your blood to boil, take a look at this article, which suggests this is repeat of history. _http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Clopyralid-Composting-Dow.htm_ (http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Clopyralid-Composting-Dow.htm) Offensive? Unsuitable? _Report this comment._ (food.blog.help?subject=A problem with http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/food/2008/06/mutant_vegetables_whos_to_blam.html & bod\ y=Please tell us the problem. For our reference, internally this comment is known as Number 1194724, was written by Lloyd97, at June 30, 2008 1:53 PM, and starts with If you really want your blood to boil, take a look at this article, which suggests this is repeat of) (http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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