RE: Looking for a healthy alternative to cow's milk for my 1 year old

[Guest guest]

HOw about goat's milk? That's what my kids drink- my first had a lot of trouble

with dairy so we switched to goat's and things got so much better!

Dianne

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

personally I would stay away from soy

 

 

 

-

Roxanne Antes

Friday, March 21, 2008 8:49 PM

RE: << >> Looking for a healthy

alternative to cow's milk for my 1 year old

 

 

Soy milk is always a great way to go.

[Guest guest]

As a child I couldnt drink cows milk, never acquired a taste for it, and

become ill hours after ingesting milk products. I love broccoli, but hate

milk, lol.

My own peculiar thoughts on milk are that human children drink milk from a

human mothers breast.

Young calfs drink milk from a cows teats.

Rats, possums, and other critters have milk, and their little ones nourish

on it- but humans don’t drink rats milk. Each thing to its own mothers milk.

Then humans should not drink cows milk.

 

(But when my son was little we had the same problem- which makes me wonder

about a genetic link to lactose intolerance- and wound up having to buy that

expensive formula. Goats milk helped back in my moms day.)

 

Michael

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Paula

Friday, March 21, 2008 2:00 PM

 

<< >> Looking for a healthy alternative

to cow's milk for my 1 year old

 

The more I read about it, the more I think that I shouldn't be giving

my daughter cow's milk. I don't drink it because I'm lactose

intolerant. However, our pediatrician told us that we should be

giving her Vitamin D (2%) milk because she needs the Vitamin D &

protein in it and my husband is stuck on that.

 

I've tried giving her soy milk which she didn't go for.

[Guest guest]

Hi Paula,

 

Have you considered goat's milk? It should be available at your local health

food store.

 

All the best,

 

Dudley Delany

 

http://profiles./dudley_delany

[Guest guest]

Soy milk is always a great way to go.

--- Michael <mwood wrote:

 

> As a child I couldnt drink cows milk, never acquired

> a taste for it, and

> become ill hours after ingesting milk products. I

> love broccoli, but hate

> milk, lol.

> My own peculiar thoughts on milk are that human

> children drink milk from a

[Guest guest]

Not all people can tolerate soy either.

 

Louise

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Roxanne

Antes

Friday, March 21, 2008 9:49 PM

 

RE: << >> Looking for a healthy

alternative to cow's milk for my 1 year old

[Guest guest]

Hi Roxanne,

 

Soy is not a health food. To learn more, visit

 

http://tinyurl.com/7vgdz

 

Best regards,

 

Dudley Delany, R.N., M.A., D.C.

 

http://profiles./dudley_delany

 

 

 

Roxanne Antes

Friday, March 21, 2008 9:49 PM

 

RE: << >> Looking for a healthy alternative

to cow's milk for my 1 year old

 

Soy milk is always a great way to go.

[Guest guest]

Moderator's Note: Very true....

--------

 

it's great. one day soy is not good and another day the same is good. like this

all foods can be eliminated. great west gave fertilizers and pesticides and

today it says go back to organic when they spoiled the other part of the world.

which was organic. use paper in plenty from face to foot and preach to save

forests? what a paradox.

 

 

Dudley Delany <DudleyDelany

 

Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:59:38 AM

RE: << >> Looking for a healthy alternative

to cow's milk for my 1 year old

 

Hi Roxanne,

 

Soy is not a health food.

[Guest guest]

Milk has D2 which is of not much value. Humans need D3 which is in

cod liver oil. Carlson's cod liver oil has Mercury and Cadmium

removed.

 

Cow's milk is good if you can get unpasteurized. Why 2% milk?

Children need fats oven more than adults.

 

Undenatured whey has lots of good protein. I drink whey twice a day.

 

See Mercola's site for some ideas:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/10/22/infant-formula-par\

t-one.aspx

 

Soy milk is toxic stuff. Best to stay away from it altogether.

 

Alobar

 

On 3/21/08, Paula <pokeracepj wrote:

> The more I read about it, the more I think that I shouldn't be giving

> my daughter cow's milk. I don't drink it because I'm lactose

> intolerant. However, our pediatrician told us that we should be

> giving her Vitamin D (2%) milk because she needs the Vitamin D &

> protein in it and my husband is stuck on that.

>

> I've tried giving her soy milk which she didn't go for.

>

> I tend to drink rice milk, but I know there's not a lot of nutrition

> in it.

>

> Any other thoughts? How can I convince my husband that we shouldn't

> be giving her cow milk and so much dairy products?

>

> Thanks,

> Paula

>

>

[Guest guest]

Goat dairy is another option. I have " Nourishing Traditions " , a book

written by Sally Fallon of the Weston A. Price foundation. There is a

lot of information, some controversial, about nutrition and it

includes recipes for infants.

 

Carol

 

 

 

, Alobar

<Alobar wrote:

>

> Milk has D2 which is of not much value. Humans need D3 which is

in

> cod liver oil. Carlson's cod liver oil has Mercury and Cadmium

> removed.

>

> Cow's milk is good if you can get unpasteurized. Why 2% milk?

> Children need fats oven more than adults.

>

> Undenatured whey has lots of good protein. I drink whey twice a

day.

>

> See Mercola's site for some ideas:

>

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/10/22/infant-

formula-part-one.aspx

>

[Guest guest]

Paula:

 

Here's an URL for an article on the dangers of soy

..http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/soydangers.html

Vitamin D us produced by the skin if you expose it to sunllight.

 

Very good alternatives to cow milk are rice, almond or quinoa milk,

available in organic shops.

 

 

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Alobar <Alobar wrote:

 

> Milk has D2 which is of not much value. Humans need D3 which is in

> cod liver oil. Carlson's cod liver oil has Mercury and Cadmium

> removed.

[Guest guest]

I just found a chapter on soy in the very important article by Michael Nield

POPULATION CONTROL

http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_14_.htm

 

SOY

 

In 1924 soybean production in the U.S. was only at 1.8 million acres

harvested. Today, the soybean is America's third largest crop (harvesting 72

million acres in 1998), supplying more than 50 percent of the world's

soybean demand.

Most of these beans are made into animal feed and are manufactured into

soy oil for use as vegetable oil, margarine and shortening. For more than 20

years now, the soy industry has concentrated on finding alternative uses and

new markets for soybeans and soy byproducts. It can now be found disguised

as everything from soy cheese, milk, burgers and hot dogs, to ice cream,

yogurt, vegetable oil, baby formula and flour. These are often marketed as

low-fat, dairy-free, or as a high-protein, meat substitute for vegetarians.

But soy isn't always mentioned on food labels. Today, 60% of the food on

America's supermarket shelves contain soy derivatives (i.e. soy flour,

textured vegetable protein, partially hydrogenated soy bean oil, soy protein

isolate). *(120)* <http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_14_.htm#120_>

All soybean producers pay a mandatory assessment of one-half to one per

cent of the net market price of soybeans. The total - something like US$80

million annually - supports United Soybean's programme to strengthen the

position of soybeans in the marketplace. Public relations firms help convert

research projects into newspaper articles and advertising copy, and law

firms lobby for favourable government regulations. IMF money funds soy

processing plants in foreign countries, and free trade policies keep soybean

abundance flowing to overseas destinations. The push for more soy

consumption has been relentless and global in its reach.

*(121)*<http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_14_.htm#120_>

On 25th October 1999, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)

decided to allow a health claim for products " low in saturated fat and

cholesterol " that contain 6.25 grams of soy protein per serving. The best

marketing strategy for a product that is inherently unhealthy is, of course,

a health claim.

Two senior U.S. government scientists, Drs. Daniel Doerge and Daniel

Sheehan of the National Center for Toxicological Research, broke ranks with

the FDA, claiming that soy could increase the risk of breast cancer in

women, cause brain damage and thyroid disorders, and cause sexual

abnormalities in infants. They wrote an internal protest letter warning of

28 studies revealing toxic effects of soy, mostly focusing on chemicals in

soy known as isoflavones, which have effects similar to the female hormone

oestrogen. *(122)*

<http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_14_.htm#120_>They

pointed to a major study of 3,734 Japanese American men which found that soy

consumption was associated with increased brain shrinkage in middle age,

increased cognitive impairment and Alzheimer's disease.

*(123)*<http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_14_.htm#120_>Soy

has the highest level of glutamic acid of any plant food, therefore it

has an excitotoxic effect on the brain.

*(124)*<http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_14_.htm#120_>

In May 2003, the U.K. Government's Committee on Toxicity of Chemicals in

Food, Consumer Products and the Environment issued a report on

phytoestrogens and health. It concluded,

 

After reviewing the data and conclusions in the report relating to

soy-based infant formula, SACN considered that there is cause for concern

about the use of soy-based infant formula. Additionally, there is neither

substantive medical need for, nor health benefit arising from, the use

soy-based infant formulae

*(125)*<http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_14_.htm#125_>

 

The Committee also noted that, exposure to oestrogen in infants can lead

to menstrual problems in females and low sperm count in males. " The amount

of phytoestrogens that are in a day's worth of soy infant formula equals 5

birth control pills, " says Mary G. Enig, Ph.D., president of the Maryland

Nutritionists Association. She and other nutrition experts believe that

infant exposure to high amounts of phytoestrogens is associated with early

puberty in girls and retarded physical maturation in boys. A study published

in *The Lancet* in July 1997, by Dr K. Setchell *et al*. found that in the

blood of infants tested, concentrations of soy isoflavones were 13000-22000

times higher than natural estrogen concentrations in early life.

*(126)*<http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_14_.htm#125_>

A study of babies born to vegetarian mothers, published in the *British

Journal of Urology* in January 2000, indicated just what those changes in

baby's development might be. Mothers who ate a vegetarian diet during

pregnancy had a fivefold greater risk of delivering a boy with hypospadias,

a birth defect of the penis. The authors of the study suggested that the

cause was greater exposure to phytoestrogens in soy foods popular with

vegetarians. *(127*<http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_14_.htm#125_>)

 

Early maturation in girls is frequently a harbinger for problems with

the reproductive system later in life, including failure to menstruate,

infertility and breast cancer.

*(128)*<http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_14_.htm#125_>

In short, soy is certainly nature's contraceptive and may also be

affecting the sexual characteristics and sexual orientation of future

generations. It is recognized that transexuality is a medical condition

caused by the effect of hormonal aberrations on the brain of the developing

foetus.*(129)* <http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_14_.htm#125_> On

20 January 2005, the U.K. Civil Service website on Diversity reported that,

 

Estimates vary on the number of transvestite men in the population,

owing to the lack of any research data whatsoever. Informed guesses have

been as high as 1 in 20 adult males. Certainly estimates between 1/100 and

1/200 would not be outrageous, if judged only by the commercial success of

businesses catering for the interests of those people.

 

.... Depending where you draw the line in what to count, between 1 in

200 and 1 in 1000 children are born with a visible or concealed ambiguity in

their genitals, gonads and/or chromosomes which qualify them as Intersex *

(130)* <http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_14_.htm#130_>

 

Soy is not the only substance linked to sexual changes in humans.

The *National

Geographic* magazine reported that scientists are warning that chemicals in

pesticides, plastics and other products are 'endocrine disrupters' which are

having a serious gender altering impact on both animals and humans.

*(131)*<http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_14_.htm#130_>

 

120. *Soy: Too Good to be True ** *

Brandon Finucan & Charlotte Gerson, Gerson Institute Newsletter Volume 14 #3

*http://www.mercola.com/2000/feb/13/more_on_soy.htm*<http://www.mercola.com/2000\

/feb/13/more_on_soy.htm>

 

121. Newest Research On Why You Should Avoid Soy

Sally Fallon & Mary G. Enig, Ph.D.

*http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm*<http://www.mercola.com/articl\

e/soy/avoid_soy.htm>

 

122. The Guardian, 13 August, 2000

*http://www.mercola.com/2000/aug/20/soy_dangers.htm*<http://www.mercola.com/2000\

/aug/20/soy_dangers.htm>

 

123. The Trouble With Tofu: Soy and the Brain

By John D. MacArthur

*http://www.mercola.com/2000/sep/17/soy_brain.htm*<http://www.mercola.com/2000/s\

ep/17/soy_brain.htm>

 

124. Dr Russell Blaylock, Interviewed by Dr Stanley Monteith on Radio

Liberty, 2 December 2003.

See *www.radioliberty.com* <http://www.radioliberty.com/>

 

125. Report examines impact of phytoestrogens on health,

01 May 2003

*http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/hot.htm*<http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ho\

t.htm>

 

 

126. MacArthur *op cit*.

 

127. Fallon & Enig *op cit*.

 

128.* Ibid*

 

129. FAQs on Transexuality, Inland Revenue Diversity and Equality Unit, 2003

*

http://www.diversity-whatworks.gov.uk/publications/doc/transsexualqanda2003.doc

*<http://www.diversity-whatworks.gov.uk/publications/doc/transsexualqanda2003.do\

c>

 

130. Transgender | Background / Facts & Figures, The Cabinet Office

*http://www.diversity-whatworks.gov.uk/transgender/index.asp*<http://www.diversi\

ty-whatworks.gov.uk/transgender/index.asp>

 

131. James Owen,* Animals' Sexual Changes Linked to Waste, Chemicals,**National

Geographic News*

1st March 2004

 

 

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Dorothee Krien <dorotheekrien

wrote:

 

> Paula:

>

> Here's an URL for an article on the dangers of soy

> .http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/soydangers.html

> Vitamin D us produced by the skin if you expose it to sunllight.

>

> Very good alternatives to cow milk are rice, almond or quinoa milk,

> available in organic shops.

>

>

>

> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Alobar <Alobar wrote:

>

> > Milk has D2 which is of not much value. Humans need D3 which is in

> > cod liver oil. Carlson's cod liver oil has Mercury and Cadmium

> > removed.

> >

> > Cow's milk is good if you can get unpasteurized. Why 2% milk?

> > Children need fats oven more than adults.

> >

> > Undenatured whey has lots of good protein. I drink whey twice a day.

> >

> > See Mercola's site for some ideas:

> >

> >

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/10/22/infant-formula-par\

t-one.aspx

> >

> > Soy milk is toxic stuff. Best to stay away from it altogether.

> >

> > Alobar

> >

> >

> > On 3/21/08, Paula <pokeracepj <pokeracepj%40>> wrote:

> > > The more I read about it, the more I think that I shouldn't be giving

> > > my daughter cow's milk. I don't drink it because I'm lactose

> > > intolerant. However, our pediatrician told us that we should be

> > > giving her Vitamin D (2%) milk because she needs the Vitamin D &

> > > protein in it and my husband is stuck on that.

> > >

> > > I've tried giving her soy milk which she didn't go for.

> > >

> > > I tend to drink rice milk, but I know there's not a lot of nutrition

> > > in it.

> > >

> > > Any other thoughts? How can I convince my husband that we shouldn't

> > > be giving her cow milk and so much dairy products?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Paula

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

SO SO so so true my dear.

 

Linda

 

-------------- Original message ----------------------

rajen babu <rajen_b

> Moderator's Note: Very true....

> --------

>

> it's great. one day soy is not good and another day the same is good. like

this

> all foods can be eliminated. great west gave fertilizers and pesticides and

> today it says go back to organic when they spoiled the other part of the

world.

> which was organic. use paper in plenty from face to foot and preach to save

> forests? what a paradox.

>

>

> Dudley Delany <DudleyDelany

>

> Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:59:38 AM

> RE: << >> Looking for a healthy

alternative

> to cow's milk for my 1 year old

[Guest guest]

So, I have cut out cow's milk and have been using soy milk on my cereal. This

is not better for me?

 

 

 

Hi Roxanne,

 

Soy is not a health food.

[Guest guest]

Moderator's Note: If you have to do soy, fermented is definitely best.. BUT

soy is also the most genetically modified crop there is..

DesertSkyNM

-------

 

I have read that Soy milk is a goitrogen. The only Soy that is ok is

fermented.

 

Veronica

 

----

 

Marsha Abernethy

3/24/2008 3:06:50 PM

 

Re: << >> Looking for a healthy

alternative to cow's milk for my 1 year old

 

So, I have cut out cow's milk and have been using soy milk on my cereal.

This is not better for me?

[Guest guest]

wow, i thought soy milk was the way to go. you're saying switching to soy milk

is pointless as an alternative to cow's milk?

 

Marsha Abernethy <bigslowsmom wrote: So,

I have cut out cow's milk and have been using soy milk on my cereal. This is

not better for me?

 

Hi Roxanne,

 

Soy is not a health food.

[Guest guest]

I think I have decided to go with rich milk it is readily available. Thank you

for the lessons. M

 

 

 

Marsha Abernethy <bigslowsmom

 

Monday, March 24, 2008 3:09:06 PM

Re: << >> Looking for a healthy alternative

to cow's milk for my 1 year old

 

So, I have cut out cow's milk and have been using soy milk on my cereal. This is

not better for me?