Guest guest Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Did the Dr. recommend she have the gall bladder removed? Or is it just full of big stones and not causing her any problems. I suffered with passing gall stones from age 19-26, having it out was the best decision I ever made. Passing the g/s is extremely painful with episodes lasting a few minutes to hours on end with no relief. It is worse then natural childbirth, and at least you get a baby out of all of the pain one has endured. I guess my point is, just have the dang thing taken out. Why suffer through the agony of passing those things? Rahnny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 No way can essential oils help in any way with gallstones. Some herbs may help a little, but all this stuff about passing them naturally using various recipies is just quack medicine. Passing gallstones is utter agony and very dangerous indeed. Even slowly dissolving them with herbs is fraught with danger and indeed no proper case studies have been done. After I had my first attack 4 years ago I increased my fluid intake by taking a crushed half a lemon in a mug of warm water with sugar once a day. I also cut out fried, roasted and grilled foods and had no more problems for over two years. Last January I had niggling gut pain for 4 weeks at night and two episodes of accute pain and revisited my doctor who said " oh yes gallstones " . Two weeks ago I had some fancy scans done which revealed a *normal gall bladder*. Could be the first diagnosis was wrong, or I cleared the stones unassisted, who knows. One thing is for sure, and that is you can never be certain the problem is gallstones without having proper ultra-sound scans done. Doctors make educated guesses all the time based on symptoms, so the key is proper investigation and then if gallstones are proven whip the thing out. In my case the problem seems to be something wrong with the liver not the gall bladder. Martin Watt http://www.aromamedical.com , " Shimai " <shimai@c...> wrote: > Hi all, > I checked the archives and couldn't find anything about this so I thot I > would post.. > > I have a friend whose doctor just told her that she had a gall bladder > full of gall stones. She is looking to dissolve/pass them naturally if > possible. Does anyone know any help/ remedies/ ideas. Can use > essential oils or whatever. ANY help would be appreciated by her and > myself. > TIA > > Karen J > > " Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving > safely in > a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, > thoroughly > used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- 'Wow ... what a > ride!!! " > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 TIA, there are many good natural remedies and I use many of them. The fastest way to naturally flush the liver and gallbladder can be found at this website: http://health.gallstones/ I have done about 8 different flushes so far over the last 4 years and am enough of a veteran that I can say this really works and is NOT a hoax. I will do this once or twice a year now for the rest of my life. Don't listen to those who tell you it is a hoax. It works. I do the Hulda Clark liver/ gallstone flush. Even people with no gallbladder still pass stones from the liver. Diana of Dewberry Hill I have a friend whose doctor just told her that she had a gall bladder full of gall stones. She is looking to dissolve/pass them naturally if possible. Does anyone know any help/ remedies/ ideas. Can use essential oils or whatever. ANY help would be appreciated by her and myself. TIA Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Not true! I have passed many hard stones painlessly and much cholesterol sludge. But for those who don't want to check out the gallstone list http://health.gallstones/ and wish to believe it is quackery...you miss out on a simple remedy! I'm so glad I know what to do...the doctors don't acknowledge the flush because they make lots of money on those with problems. I prefer to do it the easy painless way. And won't argue this issue :-) anymore. Diana of Dewberry Hill all this stuff about passing them naturally using various recipies is just quack medicine. Passing gallstones is utter agony and very dangerous indeed. Martin Watt Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 In a message dated 4/28/2004 1:00:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, aromamedical-2 writes: > I find it it just mind blowing that anyone can claim they have > passed a gallstone without any pain. MEE TOO! I do have a dicky gallbladder. I've seen the stones meself (ultrasound)... no I haven't had it removed. I DID have a problem with a stone escaping out of the GB... lemme tell you, It was BLOODY PAINFUL! I came close to going back and having my GB " Whipped out " (as Martin so eloquently put it... I think there is a little bit more to it than just " Whipping " it out.... just a wee bit). Compare it to child birth, let me think hard on this one.... I'd rather give birth no pain killers then go through THAT again. It was HORRIBLE. You can't sit, you can't stand, you can't lie down... you are incapacitated with agony. I THINK I was lucky. It must have been a Itsy-bitsy stone because the pain DID stop and I haven't experienced anything like that since. Let me re-emphasise something Martin said, the duct is TEEENY WEENY... You ain't going to get much in or out of that thing that ain't liquid and once you develop stones... well, basically you have one of two choices. 1. Have it " whipped " out 2. Manage it I've been managing it. For me the big trigger was meals that contained were too big and of course fatty foods' (Costco's Chicken Bakes- guaranteed to set off an attack). So I cut back the fat and don't eat too much any more. I still have attacks, they are minor... feels like a major case of the hungries, but nothing I can't handle... I suspect sometime in the future, I'm not going to have a choice and I'm going to have to go in and have that sucker " whipped out " . Being a major coward of everything medical... I'll wait. And there IS a danger in that as well... but I'll stop here. Let me just reiterate... Absolutely everything Martin has said on this subject is 100% correct and quite frankly, once you've been diagnosed, that little ole putzy GB is a ticking time bomb. Oh and speaking of misdiagnoses... at one time my GB problem was diagnosed as being either Lactose intolerance or (forgot the name...) chronic Bowel Syndrome... some of you who are also on Idma may remember me asking about a long time ago... So becareful and assume nothing... it CAN be a matter of life and death. K Cheers! Kathleen Petrides The Woobey Queen http://www.woobeyworld.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 All of these so called " gall bladder flush " remedies are based on poorly documented anecdotal reports. As far as I am aware there has never been a properly controlled study done on the subject. There are many issues involved: 1. Without careful abdominal ultrasound scans one cannot be certain if a problem is due to gallstones. 2. Without scans before a flush and afterwards one cannot know if stones were there and if they have passed. 3. Many other conditions can mimic the pain caused by gallstones, some are self correcting others are serious. If someone has been told they have gallstones and after a quack treatment they no longer have symptoms of course they believe it is due to the treatment rather than them not having gallstones in the first place. That is what most of these reports are based on. 4. It is a physical impossibility to get vegetable oils into the gallbladder. The gallbladder is there to produce bile to emulsify oils and fats in the gut. Therefore, one cannot possibly " flush it " by that mechanism. Anyone who says otherwise has not trained on any kind of reputable complementary medicine course. 5. I find it it just mind blowing that anyone can claim they have passed a gallstone without any pain. When one knows how tiny the common bile duct is and with that lousy piece of S bend plumbing, it is just beyond me how a stone can pass along that tube without someone knowing about it. *In any case, unless someone routinely sieves their feces how the heck do they know what they have passed?* As a qualified medical herbalist I am well aware of those herbs with a reputation for dispersing gallstones. However, any herbalist worthy of that name will tell you such treatments are long term. Anyone who claims overnight effects is a dangerous quack. Herbs and diet are great for relieving some symptoms, but to cure the problem short term-no way. >Even people with no gallbladder still pass stones from the liver.< Having just had a through scan of my own liver I can tell you there are no cavities or ducts in it where stones could possibly form. Anyone who makes such statements clearly knows nothing about physiology or anatomy. Beware of claims on websites aimed at gathering clients for quack therapists. Martin Watt http://www.aromamedical.com , Diana of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078> wrote: > Not true! I have passed many hard stones painlessly and much cholesterol sludge. But for those who don't want to check out the gallstone list http://health.gallstones/ > and wish to believe it is quackery...you miss out on a simple remedy! I'm so glad I know what to do...the doctors don't acknowledge the flush because they make lots of money on those with problems. > I prefer to do it the easy painless way. And won't argue this issue :-) anymore. > Diana of Dewberry Hill > > all this stuff about passing them > naturally using various recipies is just quack medicine. Passing > gallstones is utter agony and very dangerous indeed. > > Martin Watt > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 http://www.angelhealingcenter.com/GallstonePictures.html I have gotten stones out of all kinds that looked like these. Painlessly. You will never know unless you try the flush. And they don't get stuck in the ducts either. Sure beats surgery! You skeptics keep on bein' skeptical. :-) Diana of DH Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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