Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 In a message dated 3/27/2004 12:29:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, butchbsi writes: > Bill .. little chance of that happening unless there is an intentional > and long-lasting attempt at fraud .. and even then I doubt it would > happen cause which of us on this list is willing to put out the big > bucks and spend the time necessary to fight a big company in court? > Hi Butch, I was speaking from the point of me putting organic on my labels if I don't have something to say the product was organic. If I can't substanciate where I got it from was organic then I can not put organic on my label because I would be making a fraudulent claim on a product. If I purchase something from you that is organic and receive documentation that says organic then I can, in good faith, label organic. If I can not back it up should someone come to me then I sure as heck am not going to put organic on my label just because someone told me it was because if I make a claim and can't back it up then I am liable. Even the products I use in my lotions, some of which are organic, I simply list without the organic nomenclaiture because there is no detriment which can come from that. It may simply be me being my usual overcautious self in these regards but I'd rather be safe than sorry. Bill Seraphim's Touch http://store.seraphimstouch.com Essential Oils, Carrier Oils, Lotions, Body Butters and Bath Salts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Hey Paris, > Hey Butch! On the certified organic, do I need to have the certifying body > listed on the product? If not why? And what is to prevent someone from > writing that and not having anything to back it up? Thank you again! Love, > Paris There is no legal requirement to do that. But in a later post I will make, you will see the difficulty you will have in getting a copy of a certification. Basically, you gotta buy directly from the distiller to get one because a middle man is NOT going to tell you where the source of the oil is .. unless they are stupid. And if you do get a copy it will only tell you that the farmer's techniques .. and his land .. and the crops on his land .. were certified as organic. It will NOT tell you that the oil is certified and you sure as heck couldn't count on it being so even if it did .. cause the oil has gone through other folks since it left the hands of the farmer. Part two .. a later post .. said: >> And what is to prevent someone from writing that and not having >> anything to back it up? Thank you again! Love, Paris Odds are good that YOU .. as the seller .. might not have something to back it up. It is the producer that must have something to back it up. > a lawsuit. >> >> Bill >> Seraphim's Touch >> http://store.seraphimstouch.com >> Essential Oils, Carrier Oils, Lotions, Body Butters and Bath Salts Bill .. little chance of that happening unless there is an intentional and long-lasting attempt at fraud .. and even then I doubt it would happen cause which of us on this list is willing to put out the big bucks and spend the time necessary to fight a big company in court? If the person doing it is not from the same country we are .. then its even more difficult. Gotta have a Reciprocal Enforcement Agreement betwixt that country and the USA in the first place afore we can even consider a lawsuit .. and most EO are produced in Third World and/or Emerging Market countries. Few of these countries have such agreements with the USA because of the shaky legal systems in place there. If we want to sue one that does have an agreement .. we gotta sue in both countries and win in both countries. After we win in both countries we have a court decision that must be enforced .. and that is gonna be the next thing to give us ulcers. How many folks think that silly butt fine the EU placed on Microsoft is gonna be paid? If the USA allows such crap then we are at the mercy of the Socialists. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen as long as we have a conservative administration and/or court system in the USA. Might change if Liberals take over. Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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