Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 In a message dated 3/26/2004 2:35:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, lillith writes: > And what is to prevent someone from > writing that and not having anything to back it up? Thank you again! Love, > Paris > a lawsuit. Bill Seraphim's Touch http://store.seraphimstouch.com Essential Oils, Carrier Oils, Lotions, Body Butters and Bath Salts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Hey Butch! On the certified organic, do I need to have the certifying body listed on the product? If not why? And what is to prevent someone from writing that and not having anything to back it up? Thank you again! Love, Paris - " Butch Owen " <butchbsi Friday, March 26, 2004 7:01 PM Agro Classes ** Organic and Such > Hey Paris, > > > 4. Just exactly what does " ethically farmed " mean, and does it mean > > the same thing for different farms and different oils? What would be > > the standard definition for " ethically farmed " ? Also I have only seen > > this term in regard to peppermint and spearmint, does anyone know why? > > To cut through the BS and get to the meat .. Ethically Farmed does not > mean that the farmer practice business ethics .. it SHOULD MEAN that > they don't use more synthetic additives on the crops than is absolutely > necessary. And keep in mind that even synthetic fertilizers are really > not breaking a Certified Code because they are broken down in to the > very same basic chemicals as is horse or chicken manure or any other > purely organic matter before the plant can use it. There can be some > argument from some purists on this but you'll not find many professors > who will agree with them. > > The reason you often see Ethically Farmed for the mints is because 99% > of the mint grown is for the commercial food industry .. folks in AT > somehow think essential oils are produced for them but that's dreaming > for sure as we use betwixt 3% - 5% of the oils produced .. depending on > the oil .. Food and Flavoring and Cosmetics uses the lion's share. > > Mints have certain fungus that require the use of a fungicide .. and if > one has a hundred and forty-eleven acres of mint and Wrigley's doesn't > care .. the farmer naturally uses what they must use to make a crop .. > and a profit. > > > 5. On a label for an essential oil, can you say it is organic without > > it being certified organic? > > Horse manure is organic and rarely is it certified. For example .. on > my site there are FOUR distinct agro classes .. > > WG: Wild-grown - Self-propagating - uncultivated - harvested by hand in > the wild. > > CO: Certified Organic - Organic certified by a third party. > > OR: Organic - same as CO except not certified. > > EF: Ethically Farmed - May or not be organic. > > And later I will send another post that will burst a few balloons on > this Certified Crap .. sorry to do it .. but not all that sorry. ;-) > Will come a time that folks will wake up and realize that Certified > Organic is totally useless as an indicator of quality or even purity in > essential oils .. but it is VERY IMPORTANT in the salads we eat. > > There is a lotta BS in this industry and most folks don't wanna disturb > it .. not because of the smell .. but because it will cut their profits. > > > I know all things that come from plant material are organic just > > because they grow??, but is there an FDA or some other guideline that > > regulates what are the standards for labeling EO's? > > NO! Not even in Socialist Europe. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise. ;-) > > > I am sure that part of this has been answered recently, I just want to > > know what not to put on my bottles. If I make no medical or beauty > > claims can they can be labeled as organic? > > YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com > > > > Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 OK, a lawsuit, yes that is what I am looking for! ) So, one can say it is certified organic and the proof is on the person labeling the product to prove it should anyone (the FDA or some other body of regulation) ask, is that correct? When I ask for the certifying body it is not always provided. If I get oil that says it is certified organic and bottle it and sell it as CO, is it on me or the people who sold me the oil to provide proof that it is certified? Do I need to test all oils when I get them before I can label them properly? I hope I am not sounding ridiculous here! Thanks for your help in this! Love, Paris - <seraphimstouch Friday, March 26, 2004 11:35 AM Re: Agro Classes ** Organic and Such > In a message dated 3/26/2004 2:35:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, > lillith writes: > > > And what is to prevent someone from > > writing that and not having anything to back it up? Thank you again! Love, > > Paris > > > > a lawsuit. > > Bill > Seraphim's Touch > http://store.seraphimstouch.com > Essential Oils, Carrier Oils, Lotions, Body Butters and Bath Salts. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Hey Paris, > 4. Just exactly what does " ethically farmed " mean, and does it mean > the same thing for different farms and different oils? What would be > the standard definition for " ethically farmed " ? Also I have only seen > this term in regard to peppermint and spearmint, does anyone know why? To cut through the BS and get to the meat .. Ethically Farmed does not mean that the farmer practice business ethics .. it SHOULD MEAN that they don't use more synthetic additives on the crops than is absolutely necessary. And keep in mind that even synthetic fertilizers are really not breaking a Certified Code because they are broken down in to the very same basic chemicals as is horse or chicken manure or any other purely organic matter before the plant can use it. There can be some argument from some purists on this but you'll not find many professors who will agree with them. The reason you often see Ethically Farmed for the mints is because 99% of the mint grown is for the commercial food industry .. folks in AT somehow think essential oils are produced for them but that's dreaming for sure as we use betwixt 3% - 5% of the oils produced .. depending on the oil .. Food and Flavoring and Cosmetics uses the lion's share. Mints have certain fungus that require the use of a fungicide .. and if one has a hundred and forty-eleven acres of mint and Wrigley's doesn't care .. the farmer naturally uses what they must use to make a crop .. and a profit. > 5. On a label for an essential oil, can you say it is organic without > it being certified organic? Horse manure is organic and rarely is it certified. For example .. on my site there are FOUR distinct agro classes .. WG: Wild-grown - Self-propagating - uncultivated - harvested by hand in the wild. CO: Certified Organic - Organic certified by a third party. OR: Organic - same as CO except not certified. EF: Ethically Farmed - May or not be organic. And later I will send another post that will burst a few balloons on this Certified Crap .. sorry to do it .. but not all that sorry. ;-) Will come a time that folks will wake up and realize that Certified Organic is totally useless as an indicator of quality or even purity in essential oils .. but it is VERY IMPORTANT in the salads we eat. There is a lotta BS in this industry and most folks don't wanna disturb it .. not because of the smell .. but because it will cut their profits. > I know all things that come from plant material are organic just > because they grow??, but is there an FDA or some other guideline that > regulates what are the standards for labeling EO's? NO! Not even in Socialist Europe. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise. ;-) > I am sure that part of this has been answered recently, I just want to > know what not to put on my bottles. If I make no medical or beauty > claims can they can be labeled as organic? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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