Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Hey all, Like Marge mentioned, there are different types of Natrasorb. I have used the wheat starch from Snowdrift that they label Natrasorb. I do not like it. I've used it in body butters and lotions and the end result was a thickened product with tiny graininess to it. Not a nice feel in my opinion. You can use cornstarch in the body butters to get the same effect without that grain feel. I have also used the Natrasorb bath from theherberie.com It is tapioca starch rather than wheat and Yes, it is very powdery and flyaway. I have used it in a body butter and it does absorb some of the greasiness, but hey what are body butters for anyway. Use less and rub in well is what I say. This one is actually specifically made for use in the bath. Haven't played with it that way yet. If you really want to find out more, there is good descriptions at the herberies site. The natrasorb bath comes from national starch and they have some other neat sounding goodies too. The site is great fun to check out if you're into making toiletries. personalcarepolymers.com click on encapsulate and release for info on this type of natrasorb. Now, about silicone oils. I haven't used them myself and won't. If I wanted to, I would go and buy ready made products on the shelf at Walmart. Why wouldn't someone want to use something that actually had some " real " benefits like Jojoba or shea butter for hair and skin care. Now of course this is just my opinion and I prefer to stick with the more natural oils and butters. Take care all and have a great day! Margaret http://www.naturalindulgences.com _______________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar – includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 > Now, about silicone oils. I haven't used them myself and won't. If I > wanted to, I would go and buy ready made products on the shelf at Walmart. > Why wouldn't someone want to use something that actually had some " real " > benefits like Jojoba or shea butter for hair and skin care. Now of course > this is just my opinion and I prefer to stick with the more natural oils and > butters. > > Take care all and have a great day! > Margaret Just FYI, the silicone oils are not used in place of nutrient oils such as shea, jojoba etc, but added to them, in very small quantities. The end product has plenty of " real " benefit as well. Even so, some people just don't feel that they are " natural " enough - though the definition of natural is pretty broad. It's a YMMV thing. :-) JenB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Hey JenB, >Just FYI, the silicone oils are not used in place of nutrient oils >such as shea, jojoba etc, but added to them, in very small quantities. Understood. But why? Is is just a " feel thing " ? > The end product has plenty of " real " benefit as well. Benefit from the silicone oil or from the other nutrient oils? >Even so, some >people just don't feel that they are " natural " enough - though the >definition of natural is pretty broad. It's a YMMV thing. :-) Yep, the definition of natural is broad indeed. Somehow I have a hard time hearing the word silicone and applying " natural " to it. But I guess some could call me " hard core " in the natural realm. Peace, Margaret _______________ One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Hi Margaret, > >Just FYI, the silicone oils are not used in place of nutrient oils > >such as shea, jojoba etc, but added to them, in very small quantities. > > Understood. But why? Is is just a " feel thing " ? Yes and no. Yes, it DOES improve the feel of a lotion or cream. Though I would say this is pretty subjective. My very favorite lotion is a simple emulsion of grapeseed oil and aloe juice - I think it has the best feel of any lotion I have ever made. But some people also prefer that very silky glide that the silicones lend to lotion. Dimethicone improves the feel AND acts as a skin barrier. The molecules are very large and they don't penetrate skin or cell walls. It keeps moisture in, and physically protects skin from cold, wind etc. and helps make-up go on smoothly. I'm very very fair-freckly skinned with red hair, and my skin is uber-sensitive and prone to eczema and rosacea. Having a balm or cream with this protective layer is really great on cold, windy days - or for outdoor stuff, etc. I can only imagine this would be great for diaper rash since it creates such a good moisture/protective barrier. > > The end product has plenty of " real " benefit as well. > > Benefit from the silicone oil or from the other nutrient oils? Both. Even though the silicone oils don't have nutrients per se, their physical qualities add benifit to a formulation (just like cornstarach and its anti-greasy qualitiy would.) Recommended usage rates are >1 - 5%, so I think that plenty of the nutriative value of other base oils is there. > >Even so, some > >people just don't feel that they are " natural " enough - though the > >definition of natural is pretty broad. It's a YMMV thing. :-) > > Yep, the definition of natural is broad indeed. Somehow I have a hard time > hearing the word silicone and applying " natural " to it. But I guess some > could call me " hard core " in the natural realm. I wasn't implying that *I* feel they fall under the definition of " natural - just that it is debated. Just like the dabate about calling a lotion " all natural " if a preservative is used. Or calling a CP soap " all natural " when it was made with lye. Everyone has to draw their own line in the sand. My personal opinion is that silicone oils are different from naturally occuring silica, therefor, not necessarily a natural product at all. However, I'm also not one of those who feel that EVERYTHING man made is terrible and unhealthy. Many things, yes - all, no. But that's JMHO. ;-P JenB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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