Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 Jim, > > You're missing the most important point of both the Shen/Hammer and > Dong Han material. No doubt. I've never studied either. So I could scarcely claim to have gotten the point. While they are systems that have historically > developed from the classical material, they are NOT simply trying to > repeat those findings.They are innovations. For instance, look at > the new ways they each develop the physical space of the pulse > positions. Creating new positions and sectors changes the meaning of > the original pulse qualities. We are not simply translating old > material, we are developing new ideas. > > To criticize them for not keeping to the way things used to be is a > fundamentalist attitude that represses progress. I did not and am not criticizing them or you or anyone for not keeping to the way things used to be. What on earth gave you that idea? Calling for a clear and commonly held understanding of the meaning of the words we use is not a criticism of anything except the failure of the vast majority of students and practitioners but most stridently of educators to do the most basic things first. The thing that represses progress is certifying a generation of practitioners without providing them with the tools that they need to survive and thrive. Words are tools, but like any tools they are useless...or worse if you don't know what they mean and how to use them. Examining pulses in > the context of a new cultural and intellectual environment also > invites new interpretations. At this time in history, teaching and > employing them in clinic is an important form of peer review. So > far, these systems have enhanced our effectiveness and expanded our > own knowledge and influence. I am all in favor of interpretation, innovation, invention, creation, free expresion and free exchange of ideas. That is precisely why the matter of understanding langauge matters so deeply to me. I spend a good deal of my time and attention working with scientists and clinicians from a wide range of backgrounds and disciplines addressing issues related to how traditional Chinese medicine can be more thoroughly interpreted, innovated upon, and made more applicable in the contemporary environment, both in China and around the world. And one thing that I find most useful is being able to exchange information in a common language. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 In a message dated 3/1/2004 11:45:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, mamawpapawssoapkettle writes: > I didn't even look threw the whole digest because of this DEEP > discussion!!! Shame that... because out of the 12 posts in the digest, only four were about " lifestyles " . K Cheers! Kathleen Petrides The Woobey Queen $1.00 candle auctions: Ends SOON! http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems & userid=woobeyqueen & include=0 & since=-1 & sort=3 & rows=50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 hmmmmmmmmmm.... I must say things are getting to be thick... no air supply... *Life styles* are not a subject for this group, I enjoy so much!!! TOO much contraversy I didn't even look threw the whole digest because of this DEEP discussion!!! Sorry list mom, maybe it will get better soon! BLessings, Shon There are 12 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. New " kaldeamorey " 2. Palm oil " Michael Gest " 3. Re:lifestyle choices Marge Clark 4. File - List Rules 5. Re: Re:lifestyle choices " ~Shelley~ " 6. Toxicity Butch Owen 7. Re: Toxicity " J.B. Gold " 8. Hemlock ** Toxicity Butch Owen 9. Re: Hemlock ** Toxicity " J.B. Gold " 10. Re: OT sort of and very long copy of Aids Drug assistance plan " Evelyn Millican " 11. Re: OT sort of and very long copy of Aids Drug assistance plan " ~Shelley~ " 12. advice wanted... charcol incense stuff WoobeyQueen ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:45:52 -0000 " kaldeamorey " New Hello, I am just joining up with you. I am taking herbology and make my own soaps and bath salts. I prefer using herbs for healing and am trying to get some essential oils that are no longer available on the markets (due to the fact they can be poisonous if ingetsted) that go in poltices that my ancestors mixed and used for healing. I hope to learn and maybe add to the group as I learn. I also do medieval reinactment so I use my crafts in that as well... Hope that helps! Oh yes! I am 45 and a mother of a 14 year old boy (as of May this year that is) and have dogs, cats and a very small herb garden which I am hoping to expand as the years go by! Kaldea Morey ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:02:04 -0000 " Michael Gest " Palm oil Why palm oil? How does it compare with coconut oil? Michael , " Christine Ziegler " wrote: > Thanks for the kind words about the co-op. I really wasn't planning on > doing one at the moment, and after all the packaging issues I had last > year with it I don't know if I'd dare do it the hot weather again *lol* > (actually I have found a good source for inexpensive leak proof > containers > > I was planning on maybe soon doing one for virgin red palm oil though > .... (TBA) > > *Smile* > Chris (list mom) > > http://www.alittleolfactory.com > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:09:25 -0600 Marge Clark Re:lifestyle choices At 09:33 AM 2/29/04, you wrote: > I'm talking about a lifestyle that a person chooses to live, that they > are not willing to change, in fact, refuse to change, do you really think that these people make a conscious, deliberate choice to maintain that life style? that it was a career goal for them? Let's see... now that I'm out of school I think I'll become an addict/alcoholic, betray everything I've ever believed in, put my life and my health at total risk... yeah... great way to go! the word " addict " indicates that one is UNABLE, not unwilling, to change. The medical profession and the insurance companies say that it is an illness... but you know better, it's just a matter of choice? Your source for superb Essential Oils, Aromatherapy Accessories, Information, Books and more! 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I will not tolerate folks taking out personality problems on this list, and bucking someone they don't like or respect. I will not have members of this list feel intimidated about posting because they are worried about having to get into a squabble. The inappropriate behavior mentioned in the first 3 rules is not conducive to harmony of any list .. and especially not MY list because I intend on making this a safe and relaxing haven for folks to discuss matters of mutual interest. 4. No " adult " topic messages. This specifically means no pornographic/sexually explicit talk or links are to be posted here EVER! This will result in the immediate banning of any member violating this rule. No exceptions! 5. About selling: Members are allowed to and encouraged to post ads on Thursdays. But before any member posts an ad - whether it be for their shop, for a sale, a fast buy or a co-op they must register the following personal information with the list owner - name, address, phone number and e-mail address. This information must be kept up to date! This is for the protection of list members/consumers. 6. Please put OT in the subject line before off topic messages. This is considered courtesy to all members of the list. 7. Please trim your posts. places a bunch of junk at the bottom of every message, and by snipping that off in replies it makes life much more pleasant to the list members on " daily digest " . 8. The owner of this list reserves the right to remove and/or ban anyone from this list at any time with or without notice, especially if the rules have been violated. I do not enjoy doing this, but if I must to keep the harmony of this list, I will! These rules are subject to amendments and updates as the list owner deems necessary! ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:54:10 -0500 " ~Shelley~ " Re: Re:lifestyle choices And the answer to your question is for the most part, A BIG FAT YES. You do not know what is going on out there, if you really can't believe it. I didn't realize it either until I started seeing it every day. I see the same people over and over and over again, coming in for detox, to get clean enough to go back out and abuse themselves. They do it until they really can't take it anymore, come in for detox, get out of detox and start over. That is just one very small example. Marge, no one said it was a goal. It just is what they are doing. That's a fact. I didn't make it up and it's not my perception. It's just the way it is. Denying it will not make it better or make it go away. I've shot more drugs into my arms than you have, I bet. I've watched these people on a personal level. I got so sick and tired of being sick and tired, I knew I had to get better. Ta Da! Here I am. I never made it a career goal. When I was in high school, getting high at lunch and dropping speed all the time, I wasn't thinking, hey, cool career. I just did it. You're sarcasm about your perception of what I was saying about the subject, isn't going to make these issues go away. And actually, this is the definition of addict...Merriam Webster online: Main Entry: 1ad·dict Pronunciation: & -'dikt Function: transitive verb Etymology: Latin addictus, past participle of addicere to favor, from ad- + dicere to say -- more at DICTION 1 : to devote or surrender (oneself) to something habitually or obsessively 2 : to cause addiction to a substance in Your definition is incorrect and misleading. Not making people responsible for who they are and what they do, only perpetuates issues. You can get free if you want to bad enough. It all comes down to how bad do you want it? An illness? Think about that. If it's an illness called, you're out of you're freaking mind to stick a dirty needle in your arm! Then yes, I can agree with that. Otherwise, no. Now they may have started out of some horrible childhood trauma. I know I was severely abused as a child and an adult. I've been knocked unconscious, had my nose broken, had a couple of black eyes, a wide assortment of other physical abuses, suffered great emotional trauma, subjected my children to it (who are BY THE GRACE OF GOD are free of that mess) as a result of my abuse and choices and horrible, horrible insecurities. You know the kind of insecurities where you stand in front of the mirror and call yourself ugly over and over...or the kind where you think every single person you talk to thinks you're stupid or ugly. Pretty sick, I'll agree with that. The shrink said I associated love with abuse. That's pretty sick if you ask me. If they mean an illness in that way, then I concur....BUT they can make the choice to be free. I'm free now. I MADE THE CHOICE TO NOT BE THAT WAY ANYMORE. If anyone wants to further discuss this with me, perhaps it's better to e-mail me off group. 2004...More, More, More! ~~~Shelley~~~ There is M~O~R~E for me in 2004! Manifestation~Order~Restoration~Expectation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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