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Yo Anya,

 

>>>Diseases made or worsened by excess calcium? Heart, arthritis, kidney,

>>>etc., etc. Everything in moderation, folks, including the wrongly-touted

>>>'natural' stuff like calcium...and vitex.. couldn't resist.

>>

>>This is the second time today you have been unable to resist and I don't

>>think you are technically qualified to be slinging crap out about who is

>>wrongly touting anything.

>

> Oh, Butch, lighten up. I have every right to post my opinion, and I find

> you constant personal attacks censorship. Keep touting your line, and let

> me keep my right to freedom of speech, which you seem to be intent on

> stomping upon.

 

I still wonder what your qualifications are to take a stand such as the

one you refuse to budge from .. and why you feel you can't pass up the

opportunity to badmouth Vitex .. which are sorta your own words.

 

I'll do more than lighten up .. I'll ignore you as best as I can because

getting involved in foolish arguments puts one at risk of having others

become confused as to who is being the most foolish. And I have never

had any problems with people posting opinions that were different from

mine if they have some basis for disagreement .. I might learn something

then .. but you post no opinion that is credible .. you offer no support

for your position .. you post only condemnation and you slam the ethics

of those who are in disagreement with you .. even when they do present

credible information. To say that someone wrongly promotes something is

is a personal slam to their ethics and is similar to your comments like

 

> anybody who promotes the use of calcium should be shot

 

As for having your freedom of speech stomped on .. that is not reality

and I believe few people on this list see my comments in that light.

 

> For the sake of the list, I am not going to reply to Butch anymore,let him

> rant his censorship against my posts, and recognize he won't let me have an

> opinion without an attack.

 

Anya .. so are a kind-hearted person .. and wise too. Its best that you

not pick on folks that can support their position. As for who is the

attacker .. you picked the subject when you slammed my post on Vitex.

 

> Butch, if you think i posted the placebo post merely to write about vitex,

> I'm safe in saying you need to have your head examined. I have never

> personally attacked you before, as you whined like a baby in your pervious

> post, so regard this as my first personal attack against you.

 

I will humor you .. this one does not deserve a reply. ;-)

 

> I was posting about pain and placebos. It never occurred to me that you see

> bogeymen everywhere, but, yes, you are now. You are really over the edge

> regarding this subject, so I suggest you killfile me.

 

In all my years on many lists .. and many people on this and other lists

can bear me out .. I have heard ONLY ONE person use that term " kill

file " and have only heard ONE PERSON say to others that they were in

such a status .. that one person was you. I have no kill file nor do I

need one because, as you well know, I refuse to answer you off line on

this subject and I intend to receive all posts that originate from Oils

& Herbs .. even yours.

 

> If you notice, I have not replied to any of your hucksterism for a while now

 

Anya .. the definition of huckster is not what anybody in this industry

except you (and a couple of your cronies) would ever think to say to me.

You are following through with what I wrote in my previous post ..

that this is not a professional disagreement .. you turned it into a

personal one long ago when you could not support your position against

Vitex and you felt that I pointed that out in perhaps too strong a manner.

 

> I have no interest in your shilling it, so let it die, if you can.

 

Seems to me that you are the Pit Bull. ;-)

 

> If you assured can't be I have you killfiled from now on,

 

I rest my case. ;-)

 

> and I will post about vitex any damn time I please, without your

> control freak actions censoring me.

> Anya

 

Couple of problems with that statement .. somehow you think you can

prevent me from getting posts that originate on Oils & Herbs .. or maybe

its my responses you will " kill file " .. ;-P And the other is that you

are so paranoid about being told .. or moreso, being shown .. that you

are wrong .. that you consider anyone challenging you to put up facts as

attempting to censure you.

 

Censorship is not something I do .. I am one of the moderators of this

list and as such I have the capability and the right to censor .. but

not once have I ever exercised that right .. nor will I unless someone

tries to post porno spam or such to the list.

 

I think I'm perfectly satisfied to sit back and watch you do your thing.

 

And to all the idiots who think they are not having hot flashes when

they really are .. well .. what can I say about that?

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch