OT:Kidney and Gall Bladder Stones

January 19, 2004

Hey Chris and Everyone,

I know recently the topic of stones was discussed as a result of Chris' husband

having I think it was kidney stones.

I would like to ask some questions about protocols.

My elderly mother has a stone(s) in her right kidney and has a gall stone. This

has been documented by her family doctor and through ultra sound and dye

injections.

I believe that the gall stone is affecting her more than the kidney stone(s).

She was sent to see a specialist and he said that the gall stone(s) were too

small to do anything with and to come back in 6 month's time.

She was told by her family doctor to cut out fried foods, dairy

and increase her intake of water. My sister-in-law arranges for meals from a

company (kind of like meals on wheels) that are nutritionally balanced and are

made especially for elderly with medical problems. Twenty years ago, my mother

had a stroke and has been on a low sodium diet ever since. Many years ago it

was also decided that she was a border line diabetic and so her sugar intake is

supposed to be restricted as well.

She is not very strict with the aspects of her diet that she is not supposed to

have. And her opinion with respect to the specially prepared meals is that they

get to be boring. So in light of this, she often switches back to cooking her

own foods and most of the time her method of preparation is frying.

As a result, she often ends up very sick to her stomach and then very week and

lethargic.

When she stays within the guidelines that her doctor gave her, 1)stick to the

prepared meals, stay away from fried foods, dairy and acidic foods. 2) drink 8

to 10 glasses of water per day and 3) get out walking or doing some sort of

exercise every day she seems to do quite well.

When she strays away from following the doctor's guidelines then she starts

throwing up etc.

So I wanted to ask a couple of questions moreso to the people actually trained

in medicine that are a part of this list like nurses etc. but also to those like

Chris that have dealt with the stones issue in conjunction with medical

professionals.

First, besides an intervention that breaks the stones up into small pieces

allowing them to pass on their own is there anything else that can be done by

the doctor or at emergency that will help when she has strayed off the doctor's

guidelines. My sister is thinking of taking her up to emergency and saying that

they are not prepared to leave until something is done to help. My question to

her is what are they going to do to help? Tell her to not eat fried foods etc.?

Second is what methods have others tried that seem to have worked to either get

rid of the stone(s) and or help with the sickness that comes along with it?

Third, given that there are apparently both kidney and gall stone(s) would the

same methods apply to getting rid of and of shrinking both of these types of

stones?

Any advice or suggestions are welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Dorothy

Take Care and Talk to you soon!

Dorothy

January 22, 2004

Hi Dorothy,

It is going to be hard if she isn't a very willing participant - by

eating stuff that makes her sicker Is there anyone in the family or

friends who can maybe help prepare meals for her that are within the

guidelines, but also aren't the same " boring " stuff she's sick of, and

freeze them, so she has a wider variety and can still easily re-heat her

foods? Sounds like she might not be so quick to eat the fried stuff that

she makes if she wasn't getting bored with constantly having the same

foods over and over.

I'll send you a couple whole pages about Gall Stones and Kidney Stones

that I have in some of my books here written by MD's and ND's. They give

a whole gamut of dietary recommendations and compare conventional

treatment options with non conventional treatment options and cover

various approaches such as supplementation, homeopathy, herbs, etc ...

Gimme just a bit to scan and send.

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

Dorothy [db]

Monday, January 19, 2004 5:17 PM

OT:Kidney and Gall Bladder Stones

Hey Chris and Everyone,

I know recently the topic of stones was discussed as a result of Chris'

husband having I think it was kidney stones.

I would like to ask some questions about protocols.

My elderly mother has a stone(s) in her right kidney and has a gall

stone. This has been documented by her family doctor and through ultra

sound and dye injections.

I believe that the gall stone is affecting her more than the kidney

stone(s). She was sent to see a specialist and he said that the gall

stone(s) were too small to do anything with and to come back in 6

month's time.

She was told by her family doctor to cut out fried foods, dairy

and increase her intake of water. My sister-in-law arranges for meals

from a company (kind of like meals on wheels) that are nutritionally

balanced and are made especially for elderly with medical problems.

Twenty years ago, my mother had a stroke and has been on a low sodium

diet ever since. Many years ago it was also decided that she was a

border line diabetic and so her sugar intake is supposed to be

restricted as well.

She is not very strict with the aspects of her diet that she is not

supposed to have. And her opinion with respect to the specially

prepared meals is that they get to be boring. So in light of this, she

often switches back to cooking her own foods and most of the time her

method of preparation is frying.

As a result, she often ends up very sick to her stomach and then very

week and lethargic.

When she stays within the guidelines that her doctor gave her, 1)stick

to the prepared meals, stay away from fried foods, dairy and acidic

foods. 2) drink 8 to 10 glasses of water per day and 3) get out walking

or doing some sort of exercise every day she seems to do quite well.

When she strays away from following the doctor's guidelines then she

starts throwing up etc.

So I wanted to ask a couple of questions moreso to the people actually

trained in medicine that are a part of this list like nurses etc. but

also to those like Chris that have dealt with the stones issue in

conjunction with medical professionals.

First, besides an intervention that breaks the stones up into small

pieces allowing them to pass on their own is there anything else that

can be done by the doctor or at emergency that will help when she has

strayed off the doctor's guidelines. My sister is thinking of taking

her up to emergency and saying that they are not prepared to leave until

something is done to help. My question to her is what are they going to

do to help? Tell her to not eat fried foods etc.?

Second is what methods have others tried that seem to have worked to

either get rid of the stone(s) and or help with the sickness that comes

along with it?

Third, given that there are apparently both kidney and gall stone(s)

would the same methods apply to getting rid of and of shrinking both of

these types of stones?

Any advice or suggestions are welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Dorothy

January 22, 2004

Chris, first, sorry for the other post being sent empty, my comp is playing

spook games with me again and sends the reply before i even get a chance to

reply! lol

Are you at all familiar with the gall stone clense that is touted on the net

using epsom salts, olive oil and grapefruit juice? or any of the others for

that matter. Would like to get your opinion on whether it works or not. Thanks ,

Your friend and His, Deonia

January 23, 2004

Positive healing energies are on the way.

Carol

-

Dorothy

Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:49 PM

Re: OT:Kidney and Gall Bladder Stones

Hi Chris,

I am just home from the hospital for a few minutes and signed in to send a

message to my cousins overseas.

The situation has gone from bad to worse. They said that she has an

overwhelming infection that they can not reverse. They called the family to

the hospital this morning. They have now determined that she has pneumonia

and have said the next four days are critical.

She has a blockage in her bowel that they can not determine what it is.

They have said that she is not strong enough to operate.

I came home to get some calming oils to massage her feet with. Anyone who

can, I would appreciate prayers and healing energy being sent. I figure if

enough people with good connections with the big guy upstairs pray for her

that might make a difference.

Hoping that she gets through this, I very much look forward to you sending

the info about the stones.

Any other suggestions about the situation will be considered but right now I

have to run back up to the hospital.

Thanks for your help and all of your efforts.

Dorothy

Chris wrote

> I'll send you a couple whole pages about Gall Stones and Kidney Stones

> that I have in some of my books here written by MD's and ND's. They give

> a whole gamut of dietary recommendations and compare conventional

> treatment options with non conventional treatment options and cover

> various approaches such as supplementation, homeopathy, herbs, etc ...

> Gimme just a bit to scan and send.

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January 23, 2004

Hi Chris,

I am just home from the hospital for a few minutes and signed in to send a

message to my cousins overseas.

The situation has gone from bad to worse. They said that she has an

overwhelming infection that they can not reverse. They called the family to

the hospital this morning. They have now determined that she has pneumonia

and have said the next four days are critical.

She has a blockage in her bowel that they can not determine what it is.

They have said that she is not strong enough to operate.

I came home to get some calming oils to massage her feet with. Anyone who

can, I would appreciate prayers and healing energy being sent. I figure if

enough people with good connections with the big guy upstairs pray for her

that might make a difference.

Hoping that she gets through this, I very much look forward to you sending

the info about the stones.

Any other suggestions about the situation will be considered but right now I

have to run back up to the hospital.

Thanks for your help and all of your efforts.

Dorothy

Chris wrote

> I'll send you a couple whole pages about Gall Stones and Kidney Stones

> that I have in some of my books here written by MD's and ND's. They give

> a whole gamut of dietary recommendations and compare conventional

> treatment options with non conventional treatment options and cover

> various approaches such as supplementation, homeopathy, herbs, etc ...

> Gimme just a bit to scan and send.

January 23, 2004

Hi Deonia,

I'm not sure about the one on the I-net, but I have heard of those

cleanses that include olive oil, lemon (or grapefruit) juice, and

enemas. I've also heard about really good results from them. Generally

oils and fats (and red meat too) can cause the gall attacks, but there

is something about olive oil that is beneficial.

My herbology teacher touched on gall stones just a bit in my class and I

remember that she mentioned olive oil too. She also mentioned a Chinese

Patent Medicine LIDAN being used and very effective when taken over

time. There are also some herbs known as hepatics that work well for

gall stones and other liver issues (such as barberry), but they really

can't be used it the gall stones are too big though, because if the gall

stone gets caught in the duct it could block the bile and cause pain.

This is an area that one would really have to do some serious research

into, and consult a qualified naturopath (like with all conditions).

Probably the best way to deal with gall stones is to take steps to avoid

getting them in the first place, but isn't that the case with most stuff

(an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure as they say) ;-p

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

Deonia2 [Deonia2]

Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:57 PM

Re: OT:Kidney and Gall Bladder Stones

Chris, first, sorry for the other post being sent empty, my comp is

playing

spook games with me again and sends the reply before i even get a chance

to

reply! lol

Are you at all familiar with the gall stone clense that is touted on the

net

using epsom salts, olive oil and grapefruit juice? or any of the others

for

that matter. Would like to get your opinion on whether it works or not.

Thanks ,

Your friend and His, Deonia

January 23, 2004

Hi Deonia,

You will find a good description of the cleanse you are referring to in Hulda

Clark's books, among other places. She gives explicit directions for

precisely what quantities to take and when.

The difference between using grapefruit juice and lemon juice is that the

grapefruit juice (fresh squeezed only) emulsifies the olive oil making it much

easier to ingest. (I've tried it, and yes, it really works.)

Taking the Epsom salts at several intervals both before and after taking the

oil/juice mix, is specifically to open the bile ducts so that the stones do

not get stuck.

I have used this therapy as a preventative measure only, not as a remedy for

an already manifested problem. We all have kidney and gall stones... in my

experience, this effectively cleans them out.

Good luck!

Peace and blessings,

Holly Perry

January 24, 2004

In a message dated 1/23/04 2:05:39 PM Central Standard Time,

chrisziggy writes:

> (an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure as they say) ;-p

>

Thanks Chris, just wanted to know what you thought of the various clenses .

Yours,and His, Deonia

January 25, 2004

Hello everyone,

I am signing in quickly to thank everyone for the energy and prayers that

were sent on behalf of my mother. She passed away at 11:30 yesterday

morning.

In the last year and a half, I lived with my mother and our relationship

ended up being very strained. The nurses asked that we as a family make up

a schedule so that someone would always be there with her as she kept

pulling at the tubes and they could not be there to sit by her side and hold

her hand down so that the only remaining IV site would remain viable.

Somehow it was me who ended up sitting with her through the night and I left

the hospital at around 6ish. I was coming home to sleep for a few hours and

was going to go right back up there. A big part of me thought that since

she had made it through the most critical night that she was going to be

able to fight to make it. Unfortunately that part was wrong.

I also wanted to say thank you to Chris for sending that information to me.

I very much appreciate it.

thanks again,

Dorothy

January 25, 2004

In a message dated 1/25/04 12:55:14 AM Central Standard Time,

db writes:

> I am signing in quickly to thank everyone for the energy and prayers that

> were sent on behalf of my mother. She passed away at 11:30 yesterday

> morning.

>

Dorothy, I never know what to say to someone who is in spiritual pain from

the loss of a loved one but please know that my prayers are with you and your

family at this time. With much Christian love, Your friend and His, Deonia

January 25, 2004

I am soo very sorry for your loss.

Carol

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Dorothy

Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:54 AM