Vitex and Qualifications - Or Lack Thereof

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Hey y'all,

 

This discussion has gone from being informative to being a personal

Dog & Pony Show presented by a tag-team of naysayers. I'm thinking

its not really about safety or right and wrong .. but rather about

attitudes and defending positions already taken. I might be wrong.

But I'm sure that I have devoted more time to it than I care to!!

 

I'm read comments from a feller who is not a young whippersnapper ..

who spent his entire adult life in the field of medicine .. beginning

with a few years as a combat medic in the US Army Special Forces .. a

job that puts you out and about and away from the doctors and clinics

and such and forces you to perform medical procedures that you've been

trained to perform .. but are not licensed to perform. A feller who

then became a college educated and licensed Pharmacist .. and then a

College educated Doctor of Chiropractic. A feller with many years of

formal schooling, many years of applying his training and experience to

actual real world situations .. not just text book half-baked theories,

but down-where-the-rubber-meets-the road situations .. and then many

years treating his own family as well as others .. and making a living

doing it as a full-time professional .. not a researcher of the works

of other people or a jack of all trades .. who's credibility is now

questioned by people who lack ANY and ALL of the above qualifications.

This seems to be pretty pompous and presumptuous .. at least it does to

me. As a matter of fact, its embarrassing .. and infuriating!!!!

 

Moreso because both the people commenting are (by their admission) into

herbs for healing and/or prevention .. PART-TIME that is .. and not at

all into the use of essential oils for that purpose .. I doubt if they

have ever treated ANYONE for ANYTHING using essential oils .. if they

have they were practicing medicine without a license .. but they still

feel qualified to object to such treatments by a medical professional

because the treatments haven't been approved by the same US agency that

each year rushes through the approval of drugs that are often later

recalled because the KILL to CURE ratio is a heavy on the KILL side.

 

I haven't used an over-the-counter or prescription drug since 1996 but

if I were going to use one .. I think I would rather get advice from an

experienced pharmacist than I would a medical doctor!

 

In times past, and still ongoing in many places in the USA, all over the

country of Turkey and most other countries of the world outside the Big

Brother West .. pharmacists prescribe more medications than do medical

doctors. Its simply a matter of training. Medical doctors LACK that

training .. medical doctors PRACTICE medicine! They interpret symptoms

and look them up in a handy medical guide .. then swivel their chair

around and dig through a pharmaceutical reference to determine what they

want to use to maybe cure this person .. its all about practice .. with

human guinea pigs instead of lab rats.

 

Pharmaceutical companies have compromised many medical professionals at

their meetings in Hawaii and the Virgin Islands and its a known national

disgrace. Its also well known that the pharmaceutical companies tell

medical " practitioners " what they should use. Those pharmaceutical guys

are some kinda altruistic muthers - huh?

 

So enough of the sanctified researchers and approvals of medications.

 

Again .. I ask those who are obsessed with taking a negative stand on

the use of essential oils in general .. and its NOW more than just the

Vitex issue, because the parameters of your objections have encompassed

and so now apply to essential oils in general, to provide credible proof

that your objections to use of Vitex .. or of any other essential oil ..

are based on more than personal opinion or prejudice or maybe a desire

(need?) to be right.

 

For that matter, it again brings up one of the questions I've asked over

and over but one that has been conveniently overlooked by the naysayers.

Tell me of a case of harm done by essential oils .. and I don't mean a

friend of a neighbor's cousin living in Podunk who told a girlfriend's

sister-in-law's brother .. I would appreciate more than hearsay.

 

As for the below statement/question .. it is a search fuel to keep the

flame of confusion and doubt burning. Its applicable to any and all

medications and not at all applicable to the sale of essential oils. As

litigation crazy as America is today there has been no case of

successful litigation against a seller of essential oils for harm done

... though there has been for making false claims for the oils. If

someone can provide info on exceptions to what I've written .. please

do.

 

> Fourth: What is your opinion of lay people, with no CAM practitioner

> guidance, using the oil? Is is prudent, or is it liable to open the

> supplier up to a lawsuit if there are harmful side effects?

 

Determining what's prudent is a personal choice/opinion .. and the issue

of liability requires a legal opinion. I think the points I laid out in

the beginning of this post point to a lack of prudence on the part of

those questioning Chuck. As for liability issues, the entire industry

of Aromatherapy is based on use of untested natural products .. and many

of them have contraindications .. so I am confused as to what is the

point of the question anyway?

 

The issue of SUCCESSFUL use of Vitex for SOME people stands on its own

merit .. and it is CLEAR that it will not work for EVERYONE. But until

someone produces info that indicates it should not be used, or that its

harmful to use .. then all I'm reading here is what is often called

Contempt Prior to Investigation .. basically a preconceived notion to

disregard all information that might prove you wrong .. and it is

GUARANTEED to keep folks in everlasting ignorance .. on that subject.

 

I could provide a laundry list of names that have personally told me

they have been helped by Vitex .. but I am not going to do it because

I have not asked their permission .. nor do I believe they should have

to come forward with testimonials to overcome obsessive denials.

 

I think the objections to the use of Vitex are narrow and are without

consistency .. unless they apply to all other EO. I think they might be

a combination of obsessive desire to be right, and to support a position

that is line with a reputation, and an attempt to scare the readers on

this list. I don't scare easily, I'm not worried about being sued but

I am becoming bored by this discussion. Butch