Vitex ** Or - The World Is NOT Really Flat

January 19, 2004

It would be very nice if trained holistic practitioners were available

under health insurance plans in the US. I'm covered by the Medicare plan and am

limited to allopathic doctors. So I am learning about alternatives on my own

and making my own choices about my health concerns. I would be disappointed by

a supplier who was concerned and constricted in his actions by fear of lawsuits.

And I would also be disappointed by a doctor who was constrained by those fears.

In my opinion, both would lack courage to make good decisions for the good of

the customer or patient. Healing happens best in an atmosphere of love and not

fear. So the best idea is lots of information and lots of freedom to choose.

Peggy

The Lowell McNaughton Soap Company

www.splendidsoap.com

January 19, 2004

I hope he reconsiders. There are many of us here willing to listen . . . .

EAGERLY wait for his professional input. Perhaps he could respond to those

interested?? I am betting it would be the vast majority of this list.

I just want to add something here. Because I have a physical problem inwhich

there is considerable research being done and because I am called upon by the

medical profession to participate in clinical trials, I KNOW that they are not

100%. I know many asked to participate that are only in for the $$'s provided

and answer as they suppose they are SUPPOSED to respond. Having been a part of

that for a number of years, I find my opinion of such much less than when I was

not a participant. So don't " hang your hat " on THAT as proof!!

-Helen

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My understanding is that there will be no more input from Chuck .. and I

don't blame him .. no professional needs the third degree from amateurs.

So I am answering in his place and I am sure that my replies are not out

of line with his thinking.

Chuck came back to this list a couple of months ago after a long break

... because I asked him to, but I think he's gone again. He has a

practice .. he does NOT sell essential oils .. he has no website .. and

its not likely he will learn any thing on this list .. so there is no

reason for him to stay.

> Well, here's my first: Are you aware of the long history of the tea and

> tincture of vitex being used? Did you look at the chemical structure

> of them, in the way you looked at that of the oil? Whether you did or

> not, why didn't you try these first?

You and Martin are the herbalists .. this is not a question that I would

ask a pharmacist. But .. if I were a herbalist and trying to prove my

position .. I would present the information I was asking the pharmacist

to present .. I'd present it on this list .. and I would present it on

this list pretty damn quick because your statement insinuates that you

have done/know all these things .. so I guess its readily available.

> Second: Have you published or submitted your findings for peer review?

Not that it would matter .. my opinion. Professor Husnu K. Can Baser,

and four other prominent professors (one being a medical doctor as well

as a professor) published the results of their test using Origanum to

100% cure lung tumors in rats .. its published in Europe .. but have you

ever seen any moves by the West to use Origanums against cancer?

> Third: Is anyone (that you are aware of) conducting replication studies

> based on your findings?

The above study was replicated .. with the same results .. 100% CURE!

So I am not sure if its really all that applicable .. especially when

it pertains to natural products .. the pharmaceutical companies can't

patent natural products .. thus, no research and no money spent on the

promotion of them. Come to think of it .. can anyone here tell me of

a SINGLE essential oil that has been promoted in the Western World by

the powers that be .. as a cure .. or effective preventive EO for any

illness? If you can't .. then we might conclude that my premise is

correct .. or we are all stupid for using them in the first place. AT

is BS .. its simply a placebo effect .. as the naysayers like to say.

> Fourth: What is your opinion of lay people, with no CAM practitioner

> guidance, using the oil? Is is prudent, or is it liable to open the

> supplier up to a lawsuit if there are harmful side effects?

I answered this in another post. Butch

> Thanks again!

> Anya

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January 19, 2004

Hey y'all,

> Chris wrote:

>

> >Thank you very much for your experiences with this one Dr. Chuck

>

> I would also like to thank him for his input.