YL and MLMs Was: Distillation Methods Therapeutic Values III

January 14, 2004

Dear Butch...and yes...I feel you are a dear :-)

thank you so much for your 'spirit' ... I feel it in every one of your

messages...you're ... real...even thru the b/w of the emails

knew there was a reason why I connected with you...must be barn lovers just

somehow connect on a spiritual level LOL!! I love to hang out in my barn and

curry my favorite equine....Lita ... she .... hears me...

anyway.... I KNEW deep inside that MLM was NOT the way to go...I KNEW It...no

matter how good the oils were, no matter how good it sounded...MLM was NOT the

way I wanted t go....BUT....my mom is SO persuasive...she is one of those people

that are REALLY high...or REALLY low.... (manic/depressive?) and I do like

natural stuff - raise my own chickens for butchering/laying....love

nature...love wildflowers..ect ect... and thought what the hey...so I went

against my better judgement and bought into it....had my first party - went

great...people bought...commission looked good (need another income besides my

webdesign/hosting) and people are still buying/wanting parties .... and now I'm

in a quandry because my conscience says NO and my wallet says YES........but....

I know me...conscience will win out..

I'm a person that needs to know the facts...needs to put the pieces together and

know the beginning from the end (actually, that's the same thing that led me OUT

of religion and INTO relationship with YHVH) so I am used to upsetting the

applecart and bucking tradition and culture....I am truly the so-called skeptic

and need things proven - however...one thing that really bothers me with the YLO

.... when I read the bio.......my first reaction was ...yeah....a person CAN BE

forgiven...but man oh man...... if a person has THIS type of history.....what

ELSE is he capable of ???? and THOSE are the types of people that I am wary

of...and tend to look at with skeptical eyes.......and like you say ... if they

can do THIS?? what else are they capable of ???

I have been thru the gamit - not speaking oils - but maybe you could call it

oils -snake oils of the ultimate kind - religion...I've been involved in

bringing speakers in from Israel to US to speak at churches and synagogues -

from various TOP notch ministries in US ....unbelievable stories I could tell

you...all corrupt...from the inside out... just to take advantage of people AND

THEIR MONEY.... so yes...I totally understand CHARISMATIC ... and at the time...

I just totally turned a deaf ear and blind eye because I just couldn't believe

people were capable of lying so boldly...but I know differently now...some

people are just born liars...

anyway....I better quit now... 2 glasses of good wine..and I'm

rambling.......but I do so appreciate the education!

Pam

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Butch Owen

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:54 AM

YL and MLMs ** Was: Distillation Methods **

Therapeutic Values III

Hey Pam,

> Well, Butch ... I must say - I thoroughly enjoy your posts! every part

> of them -

Thankee ma'am.

> and yep....being an avid horse luver with 4 of my own....you could def

> sell me perfume from manure!!! LOL...I lOVE the smell of my barn!

That's two of us .. and why I easily come up with that analogy .. I miss

the smells of fresh turned earth, mown hay, tobacco barns, cattle/horse

barns and the manure we spread on the fields as well as shoveled out of

the barns. So such an odor would bring back pleasant memories to me.

> seriously.........I'm digesting all that you and others have said and

> am still looking at various sites concerning YLO, its practices and

> various other companies/individuals that sell EO's...it's a big world

> out there :-)

It is a big world .. and there are far more folks selling good oils than

there are selling bad oils .. so pricing and service and size and lots

of other things will have a play in it. I don't really care who you buy

from .. with one exception .. I would hate to see you get involved with

that YL bunch.

But ask yourself this .. how many times does a person have to get caught

in out and out lies .. to be considered as a liar? And if a person in

business is lying about one thing .. why not lie about other things?

Gary and Mary Young are con-artists .. they can get on a stage and cry

and win hearts and minds .. they can make their followers feel guilty if

they question anything they say. This is one of the characteristics of

a charlatan .. of a con-artist .. of a charismatic. But its not

possible to be a successful con-artist if one does not have charisma.

Many people have caught Young lying. He used to claim to be a Dr. and

that is now dropped. He claimed all kinds of humma-humma in one of his

biographies a few years back .. most of it stuff that went down in his

dealings with famous folks here in Turkey. I knew those folks .. and I

knew Gary Young. I did an investigation on ALL of his claims and got

verbal and written statements from those he alleged to have done this

and that with .. it was all BS .. total BS. I published my findings on

a number of lists .. and the biography was soon after changed.

I am not afraid to make any of the comments I have made in this post.

Long ago .. back when they had me and 9 other folks on their TOP TEN hit

list .. I defied them .. dared them .. and still dare them .. to sue me.

Understand that you are a novice at this .. but so many folks who have

been around just shuddered when you came on at first with a YL lean ..

its because we are NOT novices .. and we've all seen, for years and

years and years .. thousands and thousands of posts from folks who have

been scammed and hurt and embarrassed .. and we know the history of the

organization and the con-artist guru Gary Young and his whole damn yo

ying staff. We haven't touched beyond the tip of the iceberg on this

list.

I think of the followers of Reverend Jim Jones and David Koresh when I

think of the ramblings of some of the YL groupies. YL preys on those

who lack knowledge .. no way can they sell their crap to folks who know

oils and AT .. they take those who are tabula rasa and brain-wash them

to think that only YL has quality and only YL has therapeutic

properties. This is a part of the CULT mentality of YL .. and its all

for greed. Those who spend the money to purchase the kits and crap

rarely get back their initial investment .. the cost to become a

distributor is a good part of the YL overall profit.

Remember .. it is a CULT .. using RELIGION to push crap!!!!!

> since I originally had red flags concerning this company (YL) and

> should have listened to it...

YES .. and you should understand that NOBODY on this list is trying to

win your heart and mind so we can sell you oils. I treat everybody who

buys from me equal .. be it a $29.95 or $5,995.00 order .. and I'm of

the opinion that you are more toward the former figure than the latter

so do believe me when I say we are not trying to win your business .. I

think I can say this for the other sellers here too .. I know them

pretty well.

> now I must make a quick decision (the answer which I already know) one

> of the ladies that came to my first YL party wants to have another

> party - the biblical oils...I can not in good faith have this party

> under the YLO banner - I'll have to figure out what to do now as I

> don't want to discourage them from the oils...just the distributor -

Well .. you are getting into (slowly) what some others on this and many

other lists have been into .. and escaped from. This whole MLM deal is

the quickest way in the world to lose friends and influence people in a

most negative manner.

I doubt that anyone here can say that YL oils are good or bad .. there

is no proof coming from YL in the way of testing .. though in year's

past there were some independent tests showing some oils were not what

they were represented as being .. it might have changed. But pricing

alone is something to consider .. when there is an up and down line then

there is a sharing of profit. This means you either make less profit ..

which I'm not willing to believe greedy Young would accept .. or you

reduce the quality of the oils .. in one manner or another .. and there

are many ways to do this. Even you can offer pure but mediocre oils.

> but don't feel like I know enough about any of it to make informed

> decisions that will influence them at this point....what a headache I

> have.....what oil was good for that? LOL

Sniff a bitta Peppermint .. and/or Rosemary, Cineole .. ;-p

But what you are experiencing now is just the beginning. Its a bit like

being introduced to a blind date by a family member or friend and you

knowing you aren't comfortable with this person but fearing a rejection

might harm the relationship with the family or friend. Sometimes we

gotta just bite the bullet and do whatever the hell makes us feel right.

I recommend you read this .. it might help a bit .. and this is not the

only site around that recommends against participating in MLM activity

http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html

> thank you all so very much for putting some light on the subject....I

> think I'm going to learn a LOT from this list -

Welcome you are from my corner. And you will learn a lot from this

list .. its the best one around. For many reasons .. its the best.

> blessings

> Pam

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And to you .. and keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

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January 14, 2004