Distillation Methods ** Therapeutic Values III

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Well, Butch ... I must say - I thoroughly enjoy your posts! every part of them -

and yep....being an avid horse luver with 4 of my own....you could def sell me

perfume from manure!!! LOL...I lOVE the smell of my barn!

 

seriously.........I'm digesting all that you and others have said and am still

looking at various sites concerning YLO, its practices and various other

companies/individuals that sell EO's......it's a big world out there :-) ...

since I originally had red flags concerning this company (YL) and should have

listened to it...now I must make a quick decision (the answer which I already

know) one of the ladies that came to my first YL party wants to have another

party - the biblical oils...I can not in good faith have this party under the

YLO banner - I'll have to figure out what to do now as I don't want to

discourage them from the oils...just the distributor - but I don't feel like I

know enough about any of it to make informed decisions that will influence them

at this point....what a headache I have.....what oil was good for that? LOL

 

thank you all so very much for putting some light on the subject......I think

I'm going to learn a LOT from this list -

 

blessings

Pam

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Butch Owen

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:59 AM

Distillation Methods ** Therapeutic Values III

 

 

Distillation Methods ** And Therapeutic Values

** II

Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:13:27 -0800

Butch Owen <butchbsi

 

Hi y'all,

 

I checked out Imani Natural Products on Google .. sure as hell they are

advertising Medicinal Quality Essential Oils .. not only is this very

dangerous .. as Brian Skiness might find out some day .. but I don't

think he owns a still or the land to produce these so-called medicinal

oils. Says on the site that the oils are distilled for medicinal use.

Says slow distillation produces oils that contain a wide range of

components (he must mean chemical components) that are not present in

commercial oils.

 

And I see lots of misinformation and marketing hype on the site. But

he might have fine oils.

 

I don't know Brian Skiness .. but I doubt if Brian Skiness is selling

bad oils .. odds are he is not. Odds are most folks aren't .. with

some exceptions. But nobody has a corner on quality when they deal

with folks who deal in quality.

 

Odds are that Brian is repeating what his sources (and I mean dealers,

not distillers) tell him .. and that is not unusual either cause there

more slick ways to market out there than you can imagine and some folks

think they gotta be unique to be competitive. Odds are that Brian

Skiness is not doing this from a bad heart but rather from not having

spent enough time viewing the realities .. I won't say that for Gary

Young and the Young Living organization .. I think their intentions are

FAR from honorable .. they are greedy and dangerous!

 

Nobody has a unique production method to produce a product superior in

chemical profile from those of all the other oils in the world that are

produced through normal distillation using single source aromatics. Of

course, Gary Young claims to have special stills .. and I think he may

be right cause on two occasions he's been fined for safety violations;

the last being when one blew the friggin head off one of his illegal

Mexican workers.

 

Other folks claim to harvest their products with Tender Loving Care ..

which makes me think of 16 year old virgins dancing around in flowing

white veils thanking the plants for their great sacrifice whilst singing

Hari Krishna and such. Problems with this is if one considers:

 

1. The amount of aromatic materials needed to produced a kilo of oil.

Often tons (Rose Otto and Vitex) .. and at best, with some aromatics, we

get 15-17 kilos from a metric ton (2,205 pounds) of aromatic materials.

 

2. The fact that farmers don't want amateurs in their fields and for

wild grown plants .. mostly found in Third World and Emerging Market

countries, the government restricts harvest to the local peasants and

they control their areas of responsibility with knives and guns.

 

3. There ain't all that many 16 year old virgins willing to work for

pauper wages. (That was a slick way of avoiding criticism). ;-p

 

Folks can believe as they wish .. but the facts are that unless the

distiller burns the plants .. and that is not likely to happen but one

time even using old equipment cause its a quick way to get fired if you

are an employee or to go broke if you are the owner .. and not likely to

happen at all using modern equipment .. we are going to get a quality

product ALMOST every time. There are some seasonal and harvest time

variables that can be exceptions. Its following the distillation that

weird things can .. and do .. happen to essential oils.

 

I go along with Ralph Waldo Emerson, who wrote, in " Conduct of Life,

'The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons. "

 

Now .. to clarify one point I made earlier .. which I would really

prefer not to do but I believe I must even though it provides fuel for

further misunderstanding. I asked Martin Watt about so-called European

standards .. I did this because I know that our European cousins, in

their futile efforts to create a harmonious brotherhood amongst nations

that barely stand each other .. the European Union .. have decided to

legislate many unreasonable and ridiculous rules .. to include (and I am

not joking) a standardized EU condom .. have legislated the following.

This is from Martin:

 

> There IS a European standard for 2-3 essential oils for medicinal use.

> Those standards are in the European Pharmacopoeia. However, those

> standards can be met completely from manufactured essential oils!

 

Means .. they are similar to the Emperor's New Clothes. And not too far

off from what I think will happen in the future .. a Standard Operating

Procedure for how far men must stand from urinals and how many times

they will be allowed to shake it off without being arrested for playing

with themselves in public.

 

> All that stuff on slow distillation is French suppliers hogwash and in

> fact can create some nasty chemicals in the resulting " cooked " oil.

> You may quote me. Martin

 

So .. that's Martin's take on it. And even considering that the French

do allow medical doctors to prescribe essential oils .. and some French

sellers of essential oils and French Aromatherapy Practitioners have

taken this a bit further than even the French gummit intended .. I will

stand by my statement that those of us in the USA and Canada .. and in

the UK for that matter .. are walking on thin ice when we talk about

selling medicinal or therapeutic essential oils.

 

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;-p

 

Y'all keep smiling. Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

 

 

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Pam,

I'm glad to see another horse lover on the list! I hope I can pick

up some info concerning natural remedies for horses here too. My

daughter has a thoroughbred mare & is hoping to adopt a foal soon.

She's a riding instructor in the Houston area.

 

Pat

 

, " Pam " <pam@e...> wrote:

> Well, Butch ... I must say - I thoroughly enjoy your posts! every

part of them - and yep....being an avid horse luver with 4 of my own

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Distillation Methods ** And Therapeutic Values

** II

Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:13:27 -0800

Butch Owen <butchbsi

 

Hi y'all,

 

I checked out Imani Natural Products on Google .. sure as hell they are

advertising Medicinal Quality Essential Oils .. not only is this very

dangerous .. as Brian Skiness might find out some day .. but I don't

think he owns a still or the land to produce these so-called medicinal

oils. Says on the site that the oils are distilled for medicinal use.

Says slow distillation produces oils that contain a wide range of

components (he must mean chemical components) that are not present in

commercial oils.

 

And I see lots of misinformation and marketing hype on the site. But

he might have fine oils.

 

I don't know Brian Skiness .. but I doubt if Brian Skiness is selling

bad oils .. odds are he is not. Odds are most folks aren't .. with

some exceptions. But nobody has a corner on quality when they deal

with folks who deal in quality.

 

Odds are that Brian is repeating what his sources (and I mean dealers,

not distillers) tell him .. and that is not unusual either cause there

more slick ways to market out there than you can imagine and some folks

think they gotta be unique to be competitive. Odds are that Brian

Skiness is not doing this from a bad heart but rather from not having

spent enough time viewing the realities .. I won't say that for Gary

Young and the Young Living organization .. I think their intentions are

FAR from honorable .. they are greedy and dangerous!

 

Nobody has a unique production method to produce a product superior in

chemical profile from those of all the other oils in the world that are

produced through normal distillation using single source aromatics. Of

course, Gary Young claims to have special stills .. and I think he may

be right cause on two occasions he's been fined for safety violations;

the last being when one blew the friggin head off one of his illegal

Mexican workers.

 

Other folks claim to harvest their products with Tender Loving Care ..

which makes me think of 16 year old virgins dancing around in flowing

white veils thanking the plants for their great sacrifice whilst singing

Hari Krishna and such. Problems with this is if one considers:

 

1. The amount of aromatic materials needed to produced a kilo of oil.

Often tons (Rose Otto and Vitex) .. and at best, with some aromatics, we

get 15-17 kilos from a metric ton (2,205 pounds) of aromatic materials.

 

2. The fact that farmers don't want amateurs in their fields and for

wild grown plants .. mostly found in Third World and Emerging Market

countries, the government restricts harvest to the local peasants and

they control their areas of responsibility with knives and guns.

 

3. There ain't all that many 16 year old virgins willing to work for

pauper wages. (That was a slick way of avoiding criticism). ;-p

 

Folks can believe as they wish .. but the facts are that unless the

distiller burns the plants .. and that is not likely to happen but one

time even using old equipment cause its a quick way to get fired if you

are an employee or to go broke if you are the owner .. and not likely to

happen at all using modern equipment .. we are going to get a quality

product ALMOST every time. There are some seasonal and harvest time

variables that can be exceptions. Its following the distillation that

weird things can .. and do .. happen to essential oils.

 

I go along with Ralph Waldo Emerson, who wrote, in " Conduct of Life,

'The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons. "

 

Now .. to clarify one point I made earlier .. which I would really

prefer not to do but I believe I must even though it provides fuel for

further misunderstanding. I asked Martin Watt about so-called European

standards .. I did this because I know that our European cousins, in

their futile efforts to create a harmonious brotherhood amongst nations

that barely stand each other .. the European Union .. have decided to

legislate many unreasonable and ridiculous rules .. to include (and I am

not joking) a standardized EU condom .. have legislated the following.

This is from Martin:

 

> There IS a European standard for 2-3 essential oils for medicinal use.

> Those standards are in the European Pharmacopoeia. However, those

> standards can be met completely from manufactured essential oils!

 

Means .. they are similar to the Emperor's New Clothes. And not too far

off from what I think will happen in the future .. a Standard Operating

Procedure for how far men must stand from urinals and how many times

they will be allowed to shake it off without being arrested for playing

with themselves in public.

 

> All that stuff on slow distillation is French suppliers hogwash and in

> fact can create some nasty chemicals in the resulting " cooked " oil.

> You may quote me. Martin

 

So .. that's Martin's take on it. And even considering that the French

do allow medical doctors to prescribe essential oils .. and some French

sellers of essential oils and French Aromatherapy Practitioners have

taken this a bit further than even the French gummit intended .. I will

stand by my statement that those of us in the USA and Canada .. and in

the UK for that matter .. are walking on thin ice when we talk about

selling medicinal or therapeutic essential oils.

 

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;-p

 

Y'all keep smiling. Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Pat ! Well, I hope we can both learn together here too! Looks to be a good

bunch of knowledgeable people! My one mare has some shoulder problems - from

ill fitting saddles - and from an injury she got while with a 'trainer' - and

its taken me a year to get her straightened out - had a chiropracter out for her

and think I need to have him out again... have also tried a bit of massage

therapy on her withers - what types of oil do you all think I could use to

massage that area?

 

Since her injury (the TRAINER tied her head to the side of the saddle and put

her ina round pen and then left her for who knows how long - she ended up

crashing thru the round pen and apparently hurt her shoulder (which I didn't

know at the time) and her stance from that time till about 3 months ago was one

front leg back under her and the other out more in front (causing I think for

her to have underslung heels on her left foreleg) and never being able to

physically take that left lead - consequently her RIGHT shoulder (at the

withers) got huge - twice as big as the left side - I know that one side usually

is slightly bigger than the other, but this was HUGE ... anyway, by the time I

noticed something was really wrong - it was then a catch up game - its been over

a year now since the first injury and she is able to take the left lead now

pretty easily - and stands more square, but I can still tell its not totally

healed - unless its the memory of the pain that keeps her from standing square

all the time - although she does square up more on her own.

 

anyway - what types of oils or blends would be good to massage those muscles

along her withers/spine/shoulder area?

 

thanks!

Pam

Daystar Ranch & Essential Oils

http://www.daystarranch.com

 

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Pat

Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:29 PM

Re: Distillation Methods ** Therapeutic Values III

 

 

Pam,

I'm glad to see another horse lover on the list! I hope I can pick

up some info concerning natural remedies for horses here too. My

daughter has a thoroughbred mare & is hoping to adopt a foal soon.

She's a riding instructor in the Houston area.

 

Pat

 

, " Pam " <pam@e...> wrote:

> Well, Butch ... I must say - I thoroughly enjoy your posts! every

part of them - and yep....being an avid horse luver with 4 of my own

 

 

 

 

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