Photosensitization From Citrus ** 5x orange

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Hi Butch and thank you.

Huggs to you,

Jenn

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Butch Owen

Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:52 PM

Photosensitization From Citrus ** 5x orange

 

 

Hey Marge, Jenn, other good folks ..

 

> >I think Jenn was just going by the commonly spread information and

> >industry perception that is out there about the 5X orange oil.

 

 

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Hey Marge, Jenn, other good folks ..

 

> >I think Jenn was just going by the commonly spread information and

> >industry perception that is out there about the 5X orange oil. We

> >repeatedly get so many half truths and mis-information from so many

> >sources, including suppliers. It is at times hard to know what really

> >is true and what isn't!

>

> well... my understanding was that distilled citrus oils lacked the

> photosensitizing chemicals... ie, the difference in safety btwn steam

> distilled and cold pressed lime oil. And since the 5 fold orange is

> steam distilled...I would think that is where the assumption of safety

> is.

 

You are perzackly right .. and I believe that if we ask ten so-called

experts to list those safe and unsafe citrus oils .. be they distilled

or cold-pressed .. we will do nothing but start an argument betwixt

those so-called experts .. there is NO CONSENSUS OF OPINION!!!!!!!

 

However .. there are lots of contradictions among individuals in their

own writings.

 

I am not saying I am quoting experts now .. but a I will mention that

in one place Lawless writes that Distilled Orange is phototoxic and

Expressed Orange is not.

 

And when we talk about Orange we have Sweet and Bitter with two

different Botanical handles and different chemical constituents.

 

On Mandarin, Lawless lists it as phototoxic in one area and in another

indicates that it hasn't been proven to be so.

 

Some books claim Expressed Lime is phototoxic but Distilled is not ..

some say the whole fruit when distilled is not .. and that to me means

they are guessing cause whole fruit distillation is not a norm.

 

Some claim Grapefruit is phototoxic and some claim its not.

 

All in all .. I think that based on chemical composition of various

Citrus we cannot determine that IN ALL CASES this or that Citrus will be

phototoxic if CP or Distilled .. SAVE ONE .. that is Bergamot.

 

We can bet out last buck that Bergamot (except FCF) will burn our butt

up in a heartbeat.

 

> What I find interesting is that so many soapers seem to be using the 5 fold

> in products meant to be used for degreasing...and if the d-Limonene is

> removed... isn't that the degreaser???

 

In my opinion .. you are perzackly right in that removal of the

d-Limonene results in a product that sucks as a degreaser.

 

What is happening when Citrus is folded .. and it happens during ONE

distillation .. matters not if its 5 X or 10 X .. is that hydrocarbons

are removed .. and we have a product with a boosted oxygen content.

And they keep longer, smell better and taste better. Plus they are more

soluble so its easier to make flavor bases.

 

But I have not once read that a folded citrus oil is not phototoxic

after folding .. maybe it is and maybe it isn't. But then, maybe it is

or isn't phototoxic to all folks all the time in the first place.

 

Bergamot is phototoxic .. that is certain .. and I think that it is NOT

certain on all the other Citrus oils .. I have heard of and personally

know of too many exceptions .. so we can't say for sure. If someone has

more info than I have presented here .. I would be happy to see it.

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com