Re:weight/volume

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At 04:24 AM 11/24/03, you wrote:

>When people sell by the dram or ml, is it being sold by weight or volume? Is

>there a standard? How is it possible to know which person is selling by

>which method?

 

both are measures of volume.

 

the only time there would be confusion is if the measurement is in ounces,

since an ounce can be either weight or volume... in which case, (unless it

says 'fluid ounce' which is ALWAYS volume) you need to ask.

 

if it's in ml and liters..it's volume. if it's in grams and kilograms,

it's weight.

 

 

 

 

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Thank you all for explanations on weights and measures. Americans were

*supposed* to go metric when *I* was in school! It aint' happened yet.

 

So I was gonna ask about Drams, cause everyone said grams not drams.

 

This is what I found:

The range is 16 drams, this is equal to 62.2 gram. 1 dram equals 3.887

gram. 8 drams is equal to 1 apothecaries ounce or 1 troy ounce, this equals

31.1 gram. The dram, sometimes also spelled drachm, is subdivided into 3

scruples. Per scruple a division stripe is given.

 

I don't excel in math. lol

 

So if there is xyz oil in dram size, allegedly 50-70 drops, depending on

density of oil, they are selling 1/8 of an oz by weight but not by volume

according to the site above.

 

Should they be selling by grams, then they are definitely selling by weight.

Correct?

 

Selling 1 oz/30 ml is selling by weight, correct? The only way it's going to

be by volume is if it says, 'by volume', correct?

 

So is it correct to say that most people sell by weight?

I am snipping like crazy to make this shorter.

 

However, since I do not deal in eo's by weight, volume etc, I was trying to

figure out how many drams was in 1 oz either weight or volume, since they

are pretty close to equal on my scale. 1 oz = 29.__ ml, which =1 troy oz.

 

BUT, Troy is not correct, troy weight is for gold, silver etc and is about

10% heavier than than avoir weight. Troy weight has 12 oz to the lb, and

avoir has 16 oz to the pound.

http://www.goldcalculator.com/index_files/page0033.htm

 

So apothecaries is by volume, avoirdupois is by weight.

Drams is by weight.

16 drams = 1 oz by weight

8 drams = 1 oz by volume. [iF apothecaries is by volume]

1 gram, according to the above site, is such a small amt of an oz as to

barely register.

 

Then there's this site, which makes it a little clearer, I think. lol

http://www.shenet.se/referens/viktusa.html

 

I was trying to find out two things. How many drams were in an oz by

weight/volume. I am of the old/current school where I measure my personal

stuff in oz. I was trying to get a 'feel' for how much a dram is.

 

So my conclusion is a dram is a wee bit.

3.5 ml is less than a measuring teaspoon, a wee bit more than a .5 tsp.

A dram is less than that. I think.

 

The other thing I was trying to figure out, is there are bottles sold in

sizes of drams. 1 dram, 2 drams. I was trying to understand if, when people

sell eo's in drams, does that mean they are selling however big/small the

bottle is, or actually selling whatever/however much a dram is?

 

 

Janine Phariss

www.BlueSageNaturals.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Janine,

 

Yup, weights and measures and their conversions are VERY confusing

things - mostly due the number of systems in use (it is rather

overwhelming and quite annoying too *lol*). That's is one the biggest

reasons that governments and those involved in commerce have been trying

for years to get the metric system used universally ... the consistency

of it.

 

There are several measuring systems that drams have a life in ...

 

There is the liquid measure dram which translates to: 1 dram (fl or liq

- US) = 1/8 fl oz = 0.226 cubic inch = 3.697 ml = 1.041 British fluid

drachms = 1 tsp

 

Then there is the dry weight/measure dram which translates to: 27.344

grains (advp) = 1 dram (avdp) = 1.772 grams

 

Then there is the Apothecary measure dram which is: 3 scruples = 1 dram

(ap) = 60 grains = 3.888 grams

 

Then there is the Kitchen Measure dram which is : 1 tsp = 5 ml = 60

drops (or minims) = 1 drachm (British) = 1 dram = 4.2 grams

 

But so as to not drive yourself NUTS (and this subject can do that, no

doubt) - know that anyone I personally have ever met has always used the

volume measure dram as opposed to the weight measure dram :in other

words, they just fill up their " dram " bottle

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

 

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

 

 

Janine [Janine]

Monday, November 24, 2003 11:07 AM

 

RE: Re:weight/volume

 

 

Thank you all for explanations on weights and measures. Americans were

*supposed* to go metric when *I* was in school! It aint' happened yet.

 

So I was gonna ask about Drams, cause everyone said grams not drams.

 

This is what I found:

The range is 16 drams, this is equal to 62.2 gram. 1 dram equals 3.887

gram. 8 drams is equal to 1 apothecaries ounce or 1 troy ounce, this

equals

31.1 gram. The dram, sometimes also spelled drachm, is subdivided into 3

scruples. Per scruple a division stripe is given.

 

I don't excel in math. lol

 

So if there is xyz oil in dram size, allegedly 50-70 drops, depending on

density of oil, they are selling 1/8 of an oz by weight but not by

volume

according to the site above.

 

Should they be selling by grams, then they are definitely selling by

weight.

Correct?

 

Selling 1 oz/30 ml is selling by weight, correct? The only way it's

going to

be by volume is if it says, 'by volume', correct?

 

So is it correct to say that most people sell by weight?

I am snipping like crazy to make this shorter.

 

However, since I do not deal in eo's by weight, volume etc, I was trying

to

figure out how many drams was in 1 oz either weight or volume, since

they

are pretty close to equal on my scale. 1 oz = 29.__ ml, which =1 troy

oz.

 

BUT, Troy is not correct, troy weight is for gold, silver etc and is

about

10% heavier than than avoir weight. Troy weight has 12 oz to the lb, and

avoir has 16 oz to the pound.

http://www.goldcalculator.com/index_files/page0033.htm

 

So apothecaries is by volume, avoirdupois is by weight.

Drams is by weight.

16 drams = 1 oz by weight

8 drams = 1 oz by volume. [iF apothecaries is by volume]

1 gram, according to the above site, is such a small amt of an oz as to

barely register.

 

Then there's this site, which makes it a little clearer, I think. lol

http://www.shenet.se/referens/viktusa.html

 

I was trying to find out two things. How many drams were in an oz by

weight/volume. I am of the old/current school where I measure my

personal

stuff in oz. I was trying to get a 'feel' for how much a dram is.

 

So my conclusion is a dram is a wee bit.

3.5 ml is less than a measuring teaspoon, a wee bit more than a .5 tsp.

A dram is less than that. I think.

 

The other thing I was trying to figure out, is there are bottles sold in

sizes of drams. 1 dram, 2 drams. I was trying to understand if, when

people

sell eo's in drams, does that mean they are selling however big/small

the

bottle is, or actually selling whatever/however much a dram is?

 

 

Janine Phariss

www.BlueSageNaturals.com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

perhaps the other email was too long?

 

The other thing I was trying to figure out, is there are bottles sold in

sizes of drams. 1 dram, 2 drams. I was trying to understand if, when people

sell eo's in drams, does that mean they are selling however big/small the

bottle is, or actually selling whatever/however much a dram is?

 

 

Janine Phariss

www.BlueSageNaturals.com