Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Wed, 17 May 2006 06:18:42 0000, " daomsnow " <don83407 wrote: > I have many students that believe the practitioner's intention to be important in acupuncture. However, I don't at all share that view. If I treat someone and they or I MUST believe it (or intend it to work), then we are not practicing medicine at all. Your statement appears to posit acupuncture as a modality of WM, The connotation of the use of the word " medicine " reflects that bias. (Not that that bias isn't also expressed in contemporary TCM (in the narrow sense) ideology.) The grammar also implies a straw-dog argument " believe/intend " as mutually exclusive to " practicing medicine, " and repeated later in the juxtaposition of " true medicine " and " faith healing. " Your first statement notes that some believe intentionality to be " important " . You than reframe that into the position that intentionality is categorically necessary ( " MUST " ). Which makes it easier to draw your conclusion. Furthermore, " If I treat… then WE… " More accurate might be to say that if you felt you HAD TO believe/intend, then you would feel/believe that you would not be practicing medicine. > If one has to believe in it to work, then we are practicing nothing but faith healing. And that is not what I practice, nor do I believe it is what any of us practice. (The Lone Ranger and Tonto found themselves once surrounded by hostile Indians. The Lone Ranger to Tonto: " Looks like we've had it, my friend. " Tonto to the Lone Ranger: " What do you mean 'we', white man? " ) If your understanding is that the concept of intentionality is reducible to faith healing, then you're hardly in a position to speak for the entire community of Oriental/Asian medicine. " Intentionality " is a sophisticated notion, developed notably in the 19th-20th Century schools of phenomenological philosophy. And is a key concept in areas of study like cultural history. And one could say, in this field and this time, we are living a chapter of comparative cultural history. I would be curious to hear your critique of the article: (I think it can be found on the internet): Bensky, D., Scheid, V.; MEDICINE AS SIGNIFICATION - MOVING TOWARDS HEALING POWER IN THE CHINESE MEDICAL TRADITION; in the European Journal of Oriental Medicine.European Journal of Oriental Medicine, 2 (6), 32 40 Antibiotic pharmacology (the strep and amoxycillan) is a dramatic example. Like ER (military) medicine, it has quasi mythic status in our society. A medicine? Assuredly. The (only) true medicine? Hardly. Hence the puzzling nature of your conclusion: >We practice Oriental Medicine; a true medicine. Your message reflects some pretty strong bias. We all have some sort of bias. Identifying that as representative of the community of Oriental/Asian medicine, in all its diversity, is another matter. Comes across as more a belief system. As Paul Unschuld demonstrates, in both ancient and modern eras, and in both Asian and Western medical traditions, pluralism of medical systems and healing arts tends to prevail -- a sort of premise of social/cultural well-being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Amen - " " < <Chinese Medicine > Friday, May 19, 2006 11:55 AM Re: Needling ORDER and Method... (Don) Wed, 17 May 2006 06:18:42 0000, " daomsnow " <don83407 wrote: > I have many students that believe the practitioner's intention to be important in acupuncture. However, I don't at all share that view. If I treat someone and they or I MUST believe it (or intend it to work), then we are not practicing medicine at all. Your statement appears to posit acupuncture as a modality of WM, The connotation of the use of the word " medicine " reflects that bias. (Not that that bias isn't also expressed in contemporary TCM (in the narrow sense) ideology.) The grammar also implies a straw-dog argument " believe/intend " as mutually exclusive to " practicing medicine, " and repeated later in the juxtaposition of " true medicine " and " faith healing. " Your first statement notes that some believe intentionality to be " important " . You than reframe that into the position that intentionality is categorically necessary ( " MUST " ). Which makes it easier to draw your conclusion. Furthermore, " If I treat. then WE. " More accurate might be to say that if you felt you HAD TO believe/intend, then you would feel/believe that you would not be practicing medicine. > If one has to believe in it to work, then we are practicing nothing but faith healing. And that is not what I practice, nor do I believe it is what any of us practice. (The Lone Ranger and Tonto found themselves once surrounded by hostile Indians. The Lone Ranger to Tonto: " Looks like we've had it, my friend. " Tonto to the Lone Ranger: " What do you mean 'we', white man? " ) If your understanding is that the concept of intentionality is reducible to faith healing, then you're hardly in a position to speak for the entire community of Oriental/Asian medicine. " Intentionality " is a sophisticated notion, developed notably in the 19th-20th Century schools of phenomenological philosophy. And is a key concept in areas of study like cultural history. And one could say, in this field and this time, we are living a chapter of comparative cultural history. I would be curious to hear your critique of the article: (I think it can be found on the internet): Bensky, D., Scheid, V.; MEDICINE AS SIGNIFICATION - MOVING TOWARDS HEALING POWER IN THE CHINESE MEDICAL TRADITION; in the European Journal of Oriental Medicine.European Journal of Oriental Medicine, 2 (6), 32 40 Antibiotic pharmacology (the strep and amoxycillan) is a dramatic example. Like ER (military) medicine, it has quasi mythic status in our society. A medicine? Assuredly. The (only) true medicine? Hardly. Hence the puzzling nature of your conclusion: >We practice Oriental Medicine; a true medicine. Your message reflects some pretty strong bias. We all have some sort of bias. Identifying that as representative of the community of Oriental/Asian medicine, in all its diversity, is another matter. Comes across as more a belief system. As Paul Unschuld demonstrates, in both ancient and modern eras, and in both Asian and Western medical traditions, pluralism of medical systems and healing arts tends to prevail -- a sort of premise of social/cultural well-being. Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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