Why It is important to be a called a Doctor

[Guest guest]

Alon,

 

The issue is not so much what we think of ourselves, but rather our access to

other medical professionals, insurance companies and most importantly the lay

public. Titles are respected, which in itself is unimportant, but what is

important is that they generate clients, higher fees, and greater insurance

reimbursal. Why is a 4 year course of study, which prepares us (at least in

California) for a very difficult state board exam, any less valid as

justification to be called a primary care physician, than a chiropractor? By

reinforcing our clinical and diagnostic skills, and teaching us skills which

really should be within our scope of practice, but aren't because of territory

issues, such as bone setting, we validate this premise. Why should an MD get

reimbursed thousands from insurance companies for fairly simple yet

hi-tech procedures which require their expertise, while we get reimbursed

$25-50 for an equally specialized yet different skill?. We are able to act as

healing agents in ways that MD's are completely unsuccessful and even impotent,

yet to insurance companies, to physicians and to a brainwashed public we are

" Licensed " or " certified " Acupuncturists--just like " licensed " or " certified "

massage therapists or physical therapists.

 

As far as I am concerned this status quo is absurd, and though I understand it

is a reality which has evolved from the political realities and the lobbying

protectionism of the MDS and the Chiropractors, the extra year or so of required

courses enabling us to REALLY be doctors would level the playing field.

 

The DAOM is all we have available now and I am grateful for it, but because I

am a Jewish Sabbath observer and the programs I have spoken to (Emperor's and

PCOM) are not able to accommodate my religious observance, I am stuck as an

L.Ac. G-d forbid I should ever refer to myself as a doctor. I would be

breaking the law! So I must be content to wait...and operate a cash practice.

 

Respectfully,

 

Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac.(for now)

 

<alonmarcus wrote:

If this was to come with regional accreditation i would feel ok about it. As

is its all political

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

-

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:47 PM

Re: Tong's points specific order response by Dr. Snow

 

 

Alon,

I've heard through the grapevine that the DAOM may become a

required degree in California within five years. Almost certainly,

to teach in California schools, it will be necessary. I am not too

happy to be in my 50's with a more than full time practice plus

teaching position to think about going back to school again.

 

On May 17, 2006, at 1:40 PM, wrote:

 

> The OMD is as useless and new DAOM, neither one is regionally

> accredited and outside our little world is not recognized as

> anything more than a paper mill.

> The OMD degree was what the available degree at that time. I think

> the world was a little different than most of the new graduate

> understand. My DOM is the same type of useless paper so i am not

> trying to just dis others.

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yehuda

The difference between us and them is that they played by the rules and we made

our own. As long as we are going to continue, and the DAOM is just that, we will

stay outside the main game.

If we start real graduate education integrated to the rest of the education

system in the US we will be able to truly join in. We just cant have it both

ways.

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

-

yehuda frischman

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:30 PM

Why It is important to be a called a Doctor

 

 

Alon,

 

The issue is not so much what we think of ourselves, but rather our access

to other medical professionals, insurance companies and most importantly the lay

public. Titles are respected, which in itself is unimportant, but what is

important is that they generate clients, higher fees, and greater insurance

reimbursal. Why is a 4 year course of study, which prepares us (at least in

California) for a very difficult state board exam, any less valid as

justification to be called a primary care physician, than a chiropractor? By

reinforcing our clinical and diagnostic skills, and teaching us skills which

really should be within our scope of practice, but aren't because of territory

issues, such as bone setting, we validate this premise. Why should an MD get

reimbursed thousands from insurance companies for fairly simple yet

hi-tech procedures which require their expertise, while we get reimbursed

$25-50 for an equally specialized yet different skill?. We are able to act as

healing agents in ways that MD's are completely unsuccessful and even impotent,

yet to insurance companies, to physicians and to a brainwashed public we are

" Licensed " or " certified " Acupuncturists--just like " licensed " or " certified "

massage therapists or physical therapists.

 

As far as I am concerned this status quo is absurd, and though I understand

it is a reality which has evolved from the political realities and the lobbying

protectionism of the MDS and the Chiropractors, the extra year or so of required

courses enabling us to REALLY be doctors would level the playing field.

 

The DAOM is all we have available now and I am grateful for it, but because

I am a Jewish Sabbath observer and the programs I have spoken to (Emperor's

and PCOM) are not able to accommodate my religious observance, I am stuck as an

L.Ac. G-d forbid I should ever refer to myself as a doctor. I would be

breaking the law! So I must be content to wait...and operate a cash practice.

 

Respectfully,

 

Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac.(for now)

 

<alonmarcus wrote:

If this was to come with regional accreditation i would feel ok about it. As

is its all political

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

-

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:47 PM

Re: Tong's points specific order response by Dr. Snow

 

 

Alon,

I've heard through the grapevine that the DAOM may become a

required degree in California within five years. Almost certainly,

to teach in California schools, it will be necessary. I am not too

happy to be in my 50's with a more than full time practice plus

teaching position to think about going back to school again.

 

On May 17, 2006, at 1:40 PM, wrote:

 

> The OMD is as useless and new DAOM, neither one is regionally

> accredited and outside our little world is not recognized as

> anything more than a paper mill.

> The OMD degree was what the available degree at that time. I think

> the world was a little different than most of the new graduate

> understand. My DOM is the same type of useless paper so i am not

> trying to just dis others.

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alon,

 

Western allopathic medicine also evolved and developed. It's not a question

of them playing by the rules and us not. For just like us, through, legal

precedent and legislative lobbying, (read greasing the palms of politicians) the

AMA and the pharmeceutical lobbies set their own terms, over the last hundred

years. AND THEY'RE SCARED STIFF OF LOSING ANY OF THEIR TERRITORY! To have

Bill Frist, MD as senate majority leader further entreches their monopoly. But

just like the chiropractors eaked out a niche, so can we. And the more our

clinical work and research is validatated , the weaker their grip. The more

validity we have, the more autonomy we will have. They have their DEA and FDA,

but ideally we need to have our own national regulatory agencies, independent of

MDs, so that we can police ourselves. I am absolutely convinced that it will

happen within the next twenty years.

 

Just you wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac.

<alonmarcus wrote:

Yehuda

The difference between us and them is that they played by the rules and we made

our own. As long as we are going to continue, and the DAOM is just that, we will

stay outside the main game.

If we start real graduate education integrated to the rest of the education

system in the US we will be able to truly join in. We just cant have it both

ways.

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

-

yehuda frischman

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:30 PM

Why It is important to be a called a Doctor

 

 

Alon,

 

The issue is not so much what we think of ourselves, but rather our access

to other medical professionals, insurance companies and most importantly the lay

public. Titles are respected, which in itself is unimportant, but what is

important is that they generate clients, higher fees, and greater insurance

reimbursal. Why is a 4 year course of study, which prepares us (at least in

California) for a very difficult state board exam, any less valid as

justification to be called a primary care physician, than a chiropractor? By

reinforcing our clinical and diagnostic skills, and teaching us skills which

really should be within our scope of practice, but aren't because of territory

issues, such as bone setting, we validate this premise. Why should an MD get

reimbursed thousands from insurance companies for fairly simple yet

hi-tech procedures which require their expertise, while we get reimbursed

$25-50 for an equally specialized yet different skill?. We are able to act as

healing agents in ways that MD's are completely unsuccessful and even impotent,

yet to insurance companies, to physicians and to a brainwashed public we are

" Licensed " or " certified " Acupuncturists--just like " licensed " or " certified "

massage therapists or physical therapists.

 

As far as I am concerned this status quo is absurd, and though I understand

it is a reality which has evolved from the political realities and the lobbying

protectionism of the MDS and the Chiropractors, the extra year or so of required

courses enabling us to REALLY be doctors would level the playing field.

 

The DAOM is all we have available now and I am grateful for it, but because

I am a Jewish Sabbath observer and the programs I have spoken to (Emperor's

and PCOM) are not able to accommodate my religious observance, I am stuck as an

L.Ac. G-d forbid I should ever refer to myself as a doctor. I would be

breaking the law! So I must be content to wait...and operate a cash practice.

 

Respectfully,

 

Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac.(for now)

 

<alonmarcus wrote:

If this was to come with regional accreditation i would feel ok about it. As

is its all political

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

-

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:47 PM

Re: Tong's points specific order response by Dr. Snow

 

 

Alon,

I've heard through the grapevine that the DAOM may become a

required degree in California within five years. Almost certainly,

to teach in California schools, it will be necessary. I am not too

happy to be in my 50's with a more than full time practice plus

teaching position to think about going back to school again.

 

On May 17, 2006, at 1:40 PM, wrote:

 

> The OMD is as useless and new DAOM, neither one is regionally

> accredited and outside our little world is not recognized as

> anything more than a paper mill.

> The OMD degree was what the available degree at that time. I think

> the world was a little different than most of the new graduate

> understand. My DOM is the same type of useless paper so i am not

> trying to just dis others.

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yehuda

I agree except that this is 2006. We must integrate within the education system

if we want to become major players. It will not occur otherwise

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

-

yehuda frischman

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:36 PM

Re: Why It is important to be a called a Doctor

 

 

Alon,

 

Western allopathic medicine also evolved and developed. It's not a question

of them playing by the rules and us not. For just like us, through, legal

precedent and legislative lobbying, (read greasing the palms of politicians) the

AMA and the pharmeceutical lobbies set their own terms, over the last hundred

years. AND THEY'RE SCARED STIFF OF LOSING ANY OF THEIR TERRITORY! To have

Bill Frist, MD as senate majority leader further entreches their monopoly. But

just like the chiropractors eaked out a niche, so can we. And the more our

clinical work and research is validatated , the weaker their grip. The more

validity we have, the more autonomy we will have. They have their DEA and FDA,

but ideally we need to have our own national regulatory agencies, independent of

MDs, so that we can police ourselves. I am absolutely convinced that it will

happen within the next twenty years.

 

Just you wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac.

<alonmarcus wrote:

Yehuda

The difference between us and them is that they played by the rules and we

made our own. As long as we are going to continue, and the DAOM is just that, we

will stay outside the main game.

If we start real graduate education integrated to the rest of the education

system in the US we will be able to truly join in. We just cant have it both

ways.

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

-

yehuda frischman

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:30 PM

Why It is important to be a called a Doctor

 

 

Alon,

 

The issue is not so much what we think of ourselves, but rather our

access to other medical professionals, insurance companies and most importantly

the lay public. Titles are respected, which in itself is unimportant, but what

is important is that they generate clients, higher fees, and greater insurance

reimbursal. Why is a 4 year course of study, which prepares us (at least in

California) for a very difficult state board exam, any less valid as

justification to be called a primary care physician, than a chiropractor? By

reinforcing our clinical and diagnostic skills, and teaching us skills which

really should be within our scope of practice, but aren't because of territory

issues, such as bone setting, we validate this premise. Why should an MD get

reimbursed thousands from insurance companies for fairly simple yet

hi-tech procedures which require their expertise, while we get

reimbursed $25-50 for an equally specialized yet different skill?. We are able

to act as healing agents in ways that MD's are completely unsuccessful and even

impotent, yet to insurance companies, to physicians and to a brainwashed public

we are " Licensed " or " certified " Acupuncturists--just like " licensed " or

" certified " massage therapists or physical therapists.

 

As far as I am concerned this status quo is absurd, and though I

understand it is a reality which has evolved from the political realities and

the lobbying protectionism of the MDS and the Chiropractors, the extra year or

so of required courses enabling us to REALLY be doctors would level the playing

field.

 

The DAOM is all we have available now and I am grateful for it, but

because I am a Jewish Sabbath observer and the programs I have spoken to

(Emperor's and PCOM) are not able to accommodate my religious observance, I am

stuck as an L.Ac. G-d forbid I should ever refer to myself as a doctor. I

would be breaking the law! So I must be content to wait...and operate a cash

practice.

 

Respectfully,

 

Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac.(for now)

 

<alonmarcus wrote:

If this was to come with regional accreditation i would feel ok about it.

As is its all political

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

-

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:47 PM

Re: Tong's points specific order response by Dr. Snow

 

 

Alon,

I've heard through the grapevine that the DAOM may become a

required degree in California within five years. Almost certainly,

to teach in California schools, it will be necessary. I am not too

happy to be in my 50's with a more than full time practice plus

teaching position to think about going back to school again.

 

On May 17, 2006, at 1:40 PM, wrote:

 

> The OMD is as useless and new DAOM, neither one is regionally

> accredited and outside our little world is not recognized as

> anything more than a paper mill.

> The OMD degree was what the available degree at that time. I think

> the world was a little different than most of the new graduate

> understand. My DOM is the same type of useless paper so i am not

> trying to just dis others.

>

>