Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 In a message dated 5/12/06 7:01:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chinese Medicine writes: > Donald Snow " don83407 > Thu May 11, 2006 11:34pm(PDT) > Re: reminder to brush up on cancer signs and symptoms > > I don't know if I can help you but may I recommend a couple of treatment > protocols? > > I suggest Master Tong's acupuncture. But since I don't know her exact > symptomology I will suggest a couple of protocols: > > 1. If the pain is in the center of her spine, use this: On her > left hand needle SI 3 and SI 4, but puncture SI 3 0.5 cun distal and SI 4 0.5 > cun proximal. > Then needle DU 26. Get heavy daqi. Have her move her back. > It will work immediately, or not at all. She will give you a BIG smile > after DU 26. > > If this does not work, use the following: > > 2. Ling-Gu and Da Bai on the opposite side of the pain. Have the > patient move around when the needles are in. These points are located at LI > 3 and > between the 1st and 2nd metacarpals, proximal to Hegu (do not > use Hegu). > > I sincerely hope this helps you and your patient. I'm so sorry for what she > is going through. > > > Thank you Dr Snow for your advice. I saw her on Thursday. She is out of the hospital. She is very alert and conscious. She has stopped all western meds including pain meds. She is refusing all future chemo and radiation therapy although I am suggesting the Insulin Potential therapy again to her. She does not remember most of what happened to her in the hospital yet her memory is good otherwise. She is not in pain perse but is uncomfortable especially over the thoracic and lumbar area where the cancer has spread. She is still very weak. She does not know the cancer has spread throughout the spine and skull. She is only using homeopathy, Bach Flowers, and acupuncture. However the drive yesterday was way too much for her as she is over an hour away. It is a secondary cancer as they got all of the breast cancer removed. She is pale and weak fatiguing easily. The trip which is over an hour away fatigued her so that office visits in the future are unlikely and I will need to make home visits if my schedule will permit. (This is hard especially when I really do desire to make the house calls but my schedule makes it difficult.) Her pulse is deep and weak almost imperceptible. Tongue was pale and scalloped and thin white coat a little greasy in the root. She had been on Flagyl for a yeast infection from the antibiotics they put her on. I just found this out or I would have used Nat Phos. I gave her the homeopathic China for loss of animal fluids and the weakness. For the homeopaths on the list she is a Staphysagria constitution. I will also when the picture arises be prepared to give Bellis Perennis 50M for the after affects of the surgery. I did Du 26 and the extra points on the hand yesterday and Qi Gong. She is so sensitive to acupuncture and even touch now whereas she wasn't before December 05. Thanks Tym for reminding me about the use of magnets on the points. I am suggesting Pau D'Arco tea, 1-4 cups daily as tolerated. Vitamin C 10,000 divided a day, Co-Q10 for the heart disease. She quit the Lasix on her own and her legs look normal now not like swollen sausages. Apis is great for dropsical conditions. I am open to any and all suggestions. We had her on a Immune II product from new vita labs but she is not on that at this time. To order new vita® products contact: American Herbal Laboratories, Inc. Phone: 800-307-0928, 626-307-0928 Fax: 626-307-9445 Does anyone on the list have any references to the success of using lasers on secondary bone cancer? What about LED's for pain control. Any other protocols? I have a protocol to use an ion cleanse foot bath for removing the toxic effects of the chemo and radiation. Ion cleanse every 3 days for a total of 14 treatments lay off for 2 weeks do it again. If you only do it 1x a week and you don’t need to take a break. Don’t go over 30 minutes or it will dehydrate and give stomachache. In the meantime I am quite pleased with the results of using Bach Flower remedies for radiation before during and after treatment. The Bach Flower formula is Radiation Remedy (Audrey Westlake's Recipe - but can be bought ready made up from Helios or Ainsworth Pharmacies) 2 drops of the following Bach Flower Remedies in a 100ml bottle of distilled water. Cherry Plum Gentian Rock Rose Star of Bethlehem Vine Walnut Wild Oat Add 3.5gms - teaspoon (?) sea salt. Shake!! Start 2 days before treatment - 4 drops on tongue or in a little water 3 times a day. If /when symptoms appear increase to 5 times and day and 7 times a day if necessary. Homeopathic Remedies - Suck don't chew and take between meals - not within 15 mins of food or drink either way. If bladder or bowel is affected take Phos. 30C and Caust. 30C three times a day until problem begins to go and then don't repeat unless the symptoms return. If Bowel obstructed 4 days after treatment take Veratrum 30C three times a day for a couple of days or until improvement. If Thrush take Nat. Phos three times a day for up to a week or until improvement. Radiation Pillules 200C Suck after each treatment If anyone is interested in a radiation fallout protocol let me know and I will send it to you. Any research or protocols others have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your help, Sunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Hi power LEDs have been of help to CA pts. They will need to own one has needs to be done often Oakland, CA 94609 - SacredQi216 Chinese Medicine Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:10 PM Cancer Px and some protocols In a message dated 5/12/06 7:01:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chinese Medicine writes: > Donald Snow " don83407 > Thu May 11, 2006 11:34pm(PDT) > Re: reminder to brush up on cancer signs and symptoms > > I don't know if I can help you but may I recommend a couple of treatment > protocols? > > I suggest Master Tong's acupuncture. But since I don't know her exact > symptomology I will suggest a couple of protocols: > > 1. If the pain is in the center of her spine, use this: On her > left hand needle SI 3 and SI 4, but puncture SI 3 0.5 cun distal and SI 4 0.5 > cun proximal. > Then needle DU 26. Get heavy daqi. Have her move her back. > It will work immediately, or not at all. She will give you a BIG smile > after DU 26. > > If this does not work, use the following: > > 2. Ling-Gu and Da Bai on the opposite side of the pain. Have the > patient move around when the needles are in. These points are located at LI > 3 and > between the 1st and 2nd metacarpals, proximal to Hegu (do not > use Hegu). > > I sincerely hope this helps you and your patient. I'm so sorry for what she > is going through. > > > Thank you Dr Snow for your advice. I saw her on Thursday. She is out of the hospital. She is very alert and conscious. She has stopped all western meds including pain meds. She is refusing all future chemo and radiation therapy although I am suggesting the Insulin Potential therapy again to her. She does not remember most of what happened to her in the hospital yet her memory is good otherwise. She is not in pain perse but is uncomfortable especially over the thoracic and lumbar area where the cancer has spread. She is still very weak. She does not know the cancer has spread throughout the spine and skull. She is only using homeopathy, Bach Flowers, and acupuncture. However the drive yesterday was way too much for her as she is over an hour away. It is a secondary cancer as they got all of the breast cancer removed. She is pale and weak fatiguing easily. The trip which is over an hour away fatigued her so that office visits in the future are unlikely and I will need to make home visits if my schedule will permit. (This is hard especially when I really do desire to make the house calls but my schedule makes it difficult.) Her pulse is deep and weak almost imperceptible. Tongue was pale and scalloped and thin white coat a little greasy in the root. She had been on Flagyl for a yeast infection from the antibiotics they put her on. I just found this out or I would have used Nat Phos. I gave her the homeopathic China for loss of animal fluids and the weakness. For the homeopaths on the list she is a Staphysagria constitution. I will also when the picture arises be prepared to give Bellis Perennis 50M for the after affects of the surgery. I did Du 26 and the extra points on the hand yesterday and Qi Gong. She is so sensitive to acupuncture and even touch now whereas she wasn't before December 05. Thanks Tym for reminding me about the use of magnets on the points. I am suggesting Pau D'Arco tea, 1-4 cups daily as tolerated. Vitamin C 10,000 divided a day, Co-Q10 for the heart disease. She quit the Lasix on her own and her legs look normal now not like swollen sausages. Apis is great for dropsical conditions. I am open to any and all suggestions. We had her on a Immune II product from new vita labs but she is not on that at this time. To order new vita® products contact: American Herbal Laboratories, Inc. Phone: 800-307-0928, 626-307-0928 Fax: 626-307-9445 Does anyone on the list have any references to the success of using lasers on secondary bone cancer? What about LED's for pain control. Any other protocols? I have a protocol to use an ion cleanse foot bath for removing the toxic effects of the chemo and radiation. Ion cleanse every 3 days for a total of 14 treatments lay off for 2 weeks do it again. If you only do it 1x a week and you don’t need to take a break. Don’t go over 30 minutes or it will dehydrate and give stomachache. In the meantime I am quite pleased with the results of using Bach Flower remedies for radiation before during and after treatment. The Bach Flower formula is Radiation Remedy (Audrey Westlake's Recipe - but can be bought ready made up from Helios or Ainsworth Pharmacies) 2 drops of the following Bach Flower Remedies in a 100ml bottle of distilled water. Cherry Plum Gentian Rock Rose Star of Bethlehem Vine Walnut Wild Oat Add 3.5gms - teaspoon (?) sea salt. Shake!! Start 2 days before treatment - 4 drops on tongue or in a little water 3 times a day. If /when symptoms appear increase to 5 times and day and 7 times a day if necessary. Homeopathic Remedies - Suck don't chew and take between meals - not within 15 mins of food or drink either way. If bladder or bowel is affected take Phos. 30C and Caust. 30C three times a day until problem begins to go and then don't repeat unless the symptoms return. If Bowel obstructed 4 days after treatment take Veratrum 30C three times a day for a couple of days or until improvement. If Thrush take Nat. Phos three times a day for up to a week or until improvement. Radiation Pillules 200C Suck after each treatment If anyone is interested in a radiation fallout protocol let me know and I will send it to you. Any research or protocols others have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your help, Sunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Thanks for the letting us know how she is. If she is not in pain, I can suggest some relatively new herbs that have been researched for CA therapy with some success. Remember though, technically these are for her cancer symptoms, not her cancer as we cannot " legally " treat her cancer. These are not TCM herbs, but I have used them with some success. They are: 1. Graviola - Amazonian herb that has been shown to destroy many cancer cells without damaging healthy tissue. Take heavy doses. 2. Guacatonga - Amazonian herb that has been shown to destroy many cancer cells without damaging healthy tissue. Take heavy dosages. 3. Modified citrus pectin - This prevents angiogenesis, essentially cutting of blood supply to the cancer. Take as directed. I don't sell these herbs nor do I have any relationship with the companies that do; I suggest patients go to Raintree.com to get them as I don't know anywhere else to buy them. Also, since I use granulars in my practice, you could theoretically add these herbs to her TCM formulas. I am no specialist in TCM oncology, I specialize in neurology. However, this is what I would do if it were me or one of my own family members. I know Z'ev Rosenburg specializes in oncology and I know him personally. He a superb practitioner. I've heard Miki Shima is also very good, but I don't know him except by sight. By the way, when using Tong's acupuncture, use must puncture the points in the specific order or else your results won't be what they should. I sincerely wish I had more to offer you and your patient. Respectfully, Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. - Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:09 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Cancer Px and some protocols Hi power LEDs have been of help to CA pts. They will need to own one has needs to be done often Oakland, CA 94609 - SacredQi216 Chinese Medicine Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:10 PM Cancer Px and some protocols In a message dated 5/12/06 7:01:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chinese Medicine writes: > Donald Snow " don83407 > Thu May 11, 2006 11:34pm(PDT) > Re: reminder to brush up on cancer signs and symptoms > > I don't know if I can help you but may I recommend a couple of treatment > protocols? > > I suggest Master Tong's acupuncture. But since I don't know her exact > symptomology I will suggest a couple of protocols: > > 1. If the pain is in the center of her spine, use this: On her > left hand needle SI 3 and SI 4, but puncture SI 3 0.5 cun distal and SI 4 0.5 > cun proximal. > Then needle DU 26. Get heavy daqi. Have her move her back. > It will work immediately, or not at all. She will give you a BIG smile > after DU 26. > > If this does not work, use the following: > > 2. Ling-Gu and Da Bai on the opposite side of the pain. Have the > patient move around when the needles are in. These points are located at LI > 3 and > between the 1st and 2nd metacarpals, proximal to Hegu (do not > use Hegu). > > I sincerely hope this helps you and your patient. I'm so sorry for what she > is going through. > > > Thank you Dr Snow for your advice. I saw her on Thursday. She is out of the hospital. She is very alert and conscious. She has stopped all western meds including pain meds. She is refusing all future chemo and radiation therapy although I am suggesting the Insulin Potential therapy again to her. She does not remember most of what happened to her in the hospital yet her memory is good otherwise. She is not in pain perse but is uncomfortable especially over the thoracic and lumbar area where the cancer has spread. She is still very weak. She does not know the cancer has spread throughout the spine and skull. She is only using homeopathy, Bach Flowers, and acupuncture. However the drive yesterday was way too much for her as she is over an hour away. It is a secondary cancer as they got all of the breast cancer removed. She is pale and weak fatiguing easily. The trip which is over an hour away fatigued her so that office visits in the future are unlikely and I will need to make home visits if my schedule will permit. (This is hard especially when I really do desire to make the house calls but my schedule makes it difficult.) Her pulse is deep and weak almost imperceptible. Tongue was pale and scalloped and thin white coat a little greasy in the root. She had been on Flagyl for a yeast infection from the antibiotics they put her on. I just found this out or I would have used Nat Phos. I gave her the homeopathic China for loss of animal fluids and the weakness. For the homeopaths on the list she is a Staphysagria constitution. I will also when the picture arises be prepared to give Bellis Perennis 50M for the after affects of the surgery. I did Du 26 and the extra points on the hand yesterday and Qi Gong. She is so sensitive to acupuncture and even touch now whereas she wasn't before December 05. Thanks Tym for reminding me about the use of magnets on the points. I am suggesting Pau D'Arco tea, 1-4 cups daily as tolerated. Vitamin C 10,000 divided a day, Co-Q10 for the heart disease. She quit the Lasix on her own and her legs look normal now not like swollen sausages. Apis is great for dropsical conditions. I am open to any and all suggestions. We had her on a Immune II product from new vita labs but she is not on that at this time. To order new vita® products contact: American Herbal Laboratories, Inc. Phone: 800-307-0928, 626-307-0928 Fax: 626-307-9445 Does anyone on the list have any references to the success of using lasers on secondary bone cancer? What about LED's for pain control. Any other protocols? I have a protocol to use an ion cleanse foot bath for removing the toxic effects of the chemo and radiation. Ion cleanse every 3 days for a total of 14 treatments lay off for 2 weeks do it again. If you only do it 1x a week and you don’t need to take a break. Don’t go over 30 minutes or it will dehydrate and give stomachache. In the meantime I am quite pleased with the results of using Bach Flower remedies for radiation before during and after treatment. The Bach Flower formula is Radiation Remedy (Audrey Westlake's Recipe - but can be bought ready made up from Helios or Ainsworth Pharmacies) 2 drops of the following Bach Flower Remedies in a 100ml bottle of distilled water. Cherry Plum Gentian Rock Rose Star of Bethlehem Vine Walnut Wild Oat Add 3.5gms - teaspoon (?) sea salt. Shake!! Start 2 days before treatment - 4 drops on tongue or in a little water 3 times a day. If /when symptoms appear increase to 5 times and day and 7 times a day if necessary. Homeopathic Remedies - Suck don't chew and take between meals - not within 15 mins of food or drink either way. If bladder or bowel is affected take Phos. 30C and Caust. 30C three times a day until problem begins to go and then don't repeat unless the symptoms return. If Bowel obstructed 4 days after treatment take Veratrum 30C three times a day for a couple of days or until improvement. If Thrush take Nat. Phos three times a day for up to a week or until improvement. Radiation Pillules 200C Suck after each treatment If anyone is interested in a radiation fallout protocol let me know and I will send it to you. Any research or protocols others have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your help, Sunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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