Karen - chest pain and spine

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hI Karen

 

with regard to patient's chest pain have you checked T4 for any malalignment

as it sounds like a condition called 'T4 syndrome', which mimics the pain of a

heart attack but doesnt have the other signs such as greyness and pallor of

face; clamminess and oily sweat on forehead, not to mention the change in the

pulses.

 

i have come across this before in patients and have experienced it myself

following trauma through a car accident. a chiropractor sorted it out for me and

so i always refer any patients who i think have this problem but i do tell them

to return for acupuncture in order to strengthen them constitutionally and also

work on the local points (Ah shi and Huatuojiaji around T4).

 

hope this is useful

 

cheers

 

jacqueline

 

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1. pnt question

" Karen Adams " tryfan

2. Re: pnt question

" yehuda frischman "

3. placebo

" Tom Verhaeghe " tom.verhaeghe

4. Redefining the randomized controlled trial in the context of acupunc

" Tom Verhaeghe " tom.verhaeghe

5. placebo & sham

" Tom Verhaeghe " tom.verhaeghe

 

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Message 1

" Karen Adams " tryfan

Sat May 6, 2006 7:27pm(PDT)

pnt question

 

Hi folks - I have a patient, 79 yo man, in very good health generally.

He's very active, gardens, hauls wood, spends time on a trampoline.

Pulses are pretty good, esp for his age, eg no real deficiency,

sometimes stronger on the right, tho that is transitory.

 

He spent 3 nights in the hospital in Sept (went in for 'chest pains',

ended up being no problem with his heart) w/an automatic BP cuff on

24/7. Since then, he's had pain in his right elbow, says it feels

like hitting his funny bone all the time. I've been able to get

relief for about 12 hours after a treatment. Pain usually kicks back

in just before he goes to bed. Have tried some of Dr Tan's methods,

also needles in TH 10, TH11 and TH 3, which seems to have more affect.

 

Have also looked at his spine, C7/T1 may be out of alignment, and I've

referred him to a chiropractor. Hua to around that joint also helps

some. If it is out, it's not causing any other problems like

headaches, diffulty/pain/tension in shoulders, etc.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks

Karen

 

 

 

 

 

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Message 2

" yehuda frischman "

Sat May 6, 2006 11:06pm(PDT)

Re: pnt question

 

Hi Karen,

 

That would make sense as the dermatome that innervates the elbow is C7. Have you

needled du14?

 

Karen Adams wrote:

Hi folks - I have a patient, 79 yo man, in very good health generally.

He's very active, gardens, hauls wood, spends time on a trampoline.

Pulses are pretty good, esp for his age, eg no real deficiency,

sometimes stronger on the right, tho that is transitory.

 

He spent 3 nights in the hospital in Sept (went in for 'chest pains',

ended up being no problem with his heart) w/an automatic BP cuff on

24/7. Since then, he's had pain in his right elbow, says it feels

like hitting his funny bone all the time. I've been able to get

relief for about 12 hours after a treatment. Pain usually kicks back

in just before he goes to bed. Have tried some of Dr Tan's methods,

also needles in TH 10, TH11 and TH 3, which seems to have more affect.

 

Have also looked at his spine, C7/T1 may be out of alignment, and I've

referred him to a chiropractor. Hua to around that joint also helps

some. If it is out, it's not causing any other problems like

headaches, diffulty/pain/tension in shoulders, etc.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks

Karen

 

 

 

 

 

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