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Dear All,

 

As a 2nd year acupuncture student, I'm noticing in our student clinic

that several patients seem to be 'dependent' on their therapy sessions,

and find it hard to move on and terminate their contracts. I imagine

this is a common problem in most practices (of course, it must be nice

to have regular patients, but the goal presumably is usually to

discharge people at some stage). Does anyone know of any papers or

studies on this subject available on the net (even if they're not

specific to TCM)? I'd also be interested to hear how people try to deal

with this as practitioners.

 

Regards,

 

Tom K.

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Tom,

 

For me it depends on the patient. Some patients come to me weekly for

months and even years because the treatments feel good and it helps them

de-stress from their day or week. It is like a spa treatment. I

periodically check in with them to make sure they still feel like they

are getting value from their visits. Other patients really do have

conditions that requires a lot of treatments to make a difference, and

sometimes it could be a life long symptom management scenario.

 

I feel that as long as we are upfront and honest about what we are doing

and what we believe we can do, it is up to the patient to decide about

their treatments. I'm really only the hired help and I do everything I

can to empower my patients to make their own choices based on their

time, finances and the level of relief they feel the get from our

treatments. If I feel they are becoming " dependent " on their

treatments, as in they no longer serve them, I will talk with them about

what they are hoping to get out of our time together and be honest about

what I think I can do for them, but always leave it up to them to

decide.

 

Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

Oasis Acupuncture

<http://www.oasisacupuncture.com/> http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

Suite D-35

Scottsdale, AZ 85258

Phone: (480) 991-3650

Fax: (480) 247-4472

 

 

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Friday, April 28, 2006 3:28 AM

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'Dependent' patients

 

 

Dear All,

 

As a 2nd year acupuncture student, I'm noticing in our student clinic

that several patients seem to be 'dependent' on their therapy sessions,

and find it hard to move on and terminate their contracts. I imagine

this is a common problem in most practices (of course, it must be nice

to have regular patients, but the goal presumably is usually to

discharge people at some stage). Does anyone know of any papers or

studies on this subject available on the net (even if they're not

specific to TCM)? I'd also be interested to hear how people try to deal

with this as practitioners.

 

Regards,

 

Tom K.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Tom,

 

You bring up a very important and sensitive issue for practitioners:

boundaries. There is a talmudic saying which will illustrate a point that I

want to make: " The best physicians go to hell " . Usually this is understood that

the quality of arrogance with can accompany someone who is really good can cause

him to be complacent, and bring about unnecessary harm or even death. However,

a different reading of it is that the very best doctors are those who are

prepared to enter the " hell " that their patients suffer, in order to bring them

out! The point is that for one to practice medicine properly, IMVHO they

requires a sensitivity, a boldness, a focus and a clarity of vision. Not just

be good at what they do, but empathize and be supportive of their patient as

well. So what can a physician do to prevent a patient from becoming dependent,

or even addicted to him/her? I would suggest that the dynamics that lend

themselves to dependency come from ground rules not

being established heretofore, ie.boundaries and the absence of a treatment plan

and timetable. Just like a good teacher, a physician needs to train a patient

what is ok and what is not ok, when they can call, and when they can't. Master

teachers I have heard (on more than one occasion) use the following example?

How they train dolphins at Sea World to jump higher? by rewarding them with

fish. By being consistent, setting limits, using incentives, and of course

showing compassion, a patient will become compliant and appreciative.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda

 

tzkennedy <tzkennedy wrote:

Dear All,

 

As a 2nd year acupuncture student, I'm noticing in our student clinic

that several patients seem to be 'dependent' on their therapy sessions,

and find it hard to move on and terminate their contracts. I imagine

this is a common problem in most practices (of course, it must be nice

to have regular patients, but the goal presumably is usually to

discharge people at some stage). Does anyone know of any papers or

studies on this subject available on the net (even if they're not

specific to TCM)? I'd also be interested to hear how people try to deal

with this as practitioners.

 

Regards,

 

Tom K.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I would add one more thing: I think that part of the responsibility of the

physician is to educate and guide the patient as well. I think that patients

really appreciate it when they are told what therapy they are receiving, and to

let them know that it is ok for them to ask any questions that they might have.

Furthermore, because treatments at times can elicit strong emotions, it is very

important that the physician consider him/herself as a sort of tour guide, to

make sure that their patient is in a safe place when the treatment is over, and

not just walk away to the next patient.

 

tzkennedy <tzkennedy wrote: Dear All,

 

As a 2nd year acupuncture student, I'm noticing in our student clinic

that several patients seem to be 'dependent' on their therapy sessions,

and find it hard to move on and terminate their contracts. I imagine

this is a common problem in most practices (of course, it must be nice

to have regular patients, but the goal presumably is usually to

discharge people at some stage). Does anyone know of any papers or

studies on this subject available on the net (even if they're not

specific to TCM)? I'd also be interested to hear how people try to deal

with this as practitioners.

 

Regards,

 

Tom K.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

 

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http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

 

 

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Dear Yehuda,

 

What does IMVHO mean?

 

Thanks,

 

Donald J. Snow, D.A.O.M., M.P.H.,

M.S., L.Ac

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yehuda frischman

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:11 AM

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Re: 'Dependent' patients

 

Dear Tom,

 

You bring up a very important and sensitive issue for practitioners:

boundaries. There is a talmudic saying which will illustrate a point that I

want to make: " The best physicians go to hell " . Usually this is understood that

the quality of arrogance with can accompany someone who is really good can cause

him to be complacent, and bring about unnecessary harm or even death. However,

a different reading of it is that the very best doctors are those who are

prepared to enter the " hell " that their patients suffer, in order to bring them

out! The point is that for one to practice medicine properly, IMVHO they

requires a sensitivity, a boldness, a focus and a clarity of vision. Not just

be good at what they do, but empathize and be supportive of their patient as

well. So what can a physician do to prevent a patient from becoming dependent,

or even addicted to him/her? I would suggest that the dynamics that lend

themselves to dependency come from ground rules not

being established heretofore, ie.boundaries and the absence of a treatment plan

and timetable. Just like a good teacher, a physician needs to train a patient

what is ok and what is not ok, when they can call, and when they can't. Master

teachers I have heard (on more than one occasion) use the following example?

How they train dolphins at Sea World to jump higher? by rewarding them with

fish. By being consistent, setting limits, using incentives, and of course

showing compassion, a patient will become compliant and appreciative.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda

 

tzkennedy <tzkennedy wrote:

Dear All,

 

As a 2nd year acupuncture student, I'm noticing in our student clinic

that several patients seem to be 'dependent' on their therapy sessions,

and find it hard to move on and terminate their contracts. I imagine

this is a common problem in most practices (of course, it must be nice

to have regular patients, but the goal presumably is usually to

discharge people at some stage). Does anyone know of any papers or

studies on this subject available on the net (even if they're not

specific to TCM)? I'd also be interested to hear how people try to deal

with this as practitioners.

 

Regards,

 

Tom K.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Times

http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

 

Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click,

http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

 

 

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" in my very humble opinion " (really!)

 

Donald Snow <don83407 wrote:

Dear Yehuda,

 

What does IMVHO mean?

 

Thanks,

 

Donald J. Snow, D.A.O.M., M.P.H.,

M.S., L.Ac

-

yehuda frischman

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:11 AM

Chinese Medicine

Re: 'Dependent' patients

 

Dear Tom,

 

You bring up a very important and sensitive issue for practitioners:

boundaries. There is a talmudic saying which will illustrate a point that I

want to make: " The best physicians go to hell " . Usually this is understood that

the quality of arrogance with can accompany someone who is really good can cause

him to be complacent, and bring about unnecessary harm or even death. However,

a different reading of it is that the very best doctors are those who are

prepared to enter the " hell " that their patients suffer, in order to bring them

out! The point is that for one to practice medicine properly, IMVHO they

requires a sensitivity, a boldness, a focus and a clarity of vision. Not just

be good at what they do, but empathize and be supportive of their patient as

well. So what can a physician do to prevent a patient from becoming dependent,

or even addicted to him/her? I would suggest that the dynamics that lend

themselves to dependency come from ground rules not

being established heretofore, ie.boundaries and the absence of a treatment plan

and timetable. Just like a good teacher, a physician needs to train a patient

what is ok and what is not ok, when they can call, and when they can't. Master

teachers I have heard (on more than one occasion) use the following example?

How they train dolphins at Sea World to jump higher? by rewarding them with

fish. By being consistent, setting limits, using incentives, and of course

showing compassion, a patient will become compliant and appreciative.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda

 

tzkennedy <tzkennedy wrote:

Dear All,

 

As a 2nd year acupuncture student, I'm noticing in our student clinic

that several patients seem to be 'dependent' on their therapy sessions,

and find it hard to move on and terminate their contracts. I imagine

this is a common problem in most practices (of course, it must be nice

to have regular patients, but the goal presumably is usually to

discharge people at some stage). Does anyone know of any papers or

studies on this subject available on the net (even if they're not

specific to TCM)? I'd also be interested to hear how people try to deal

with this as practitioners.

 

Regards,

 

Tom K.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

 

 

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I don't know where to pick up on this thread, but had these thoughts at

Tom's first inquiry.

 

I came from a 5 Element tradition as a patient and practioner where long

term relationships were formed between practitioner and patient. It

doesn't feel dependent, just continual movement through a healing

journey. I have been to my practitioner for 12 years - now more monthly

and sometimes longer because I have to travel and hour and a half to get

there. I also get other treatments like osteopathy and rolfing (all far

away) but worth it.

 

Now, for my patients - yes some may been dependent on the feel good

aspects of acupuncture without making lifestyle changes on their own. I

continue to coach, and wahlla - there is change and it could take

years. That is up to the patient in my opinion, not me. I once heard

Jack Daniel, a 30 year practiioner say, " I don't fire people, they fire

me. " Now of course Jack has rules, about showing up, paying etc,. I

have also heard practioners say, " If the patient won't make lifestyle

changes, they're out. " I tend to fall somewhere around Jack and

Christoper here. I have terminated patients, but I don't do it often

and it is generally because I think we aren't going anywhere (and yes, I

now give 3 referrals) or I sense a real uncomfortable fit.

 

Anne C.

 

Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. wrote:

 

>Tom,

>

>For me it depends on the patient. Some patients come to me weekly for

>months and even years because the treatments feel good and it helps them

>de-stress from their day or week. It is like a spa treatment. I

>periodically check in with them to make sure they still feel like they

>are getting value from their visits. Other patients really do have

>conditions that requires a lot of treatments to make a difference, and

>sometimes it could be a life long symptom management scenario.

>

>I feel that as long as we are upfront and honest about what we are doing

>and what we believe we can do, it is up to the patient to decide about

>their treatments. I'm really only the hired help and I do everything I

>can to empower my patients to make their own choices based on their

>time, finances and the level of relief they feel the get from our

>treatments. If I feel they are becoming " dependent " on their

>treatments, as in they no longer serve them, I will talk with them about

>what they are hoping to get out of our time together and be honest about

>what I think I can do for them, but always leave it up to them to

>decide.

>

>Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

>Oasis Acupuncture

> <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com/> http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

>8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

>Suite D-35

>Scottsdale, AZ 85258

>Phone: (480) 991-3650

>Fax: (480) 247-4472

>

>

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of

>tzkennedy

>Friday, April 28, 2006 3:28 AM

>Chinese Medicine

>'Dependent' patients

>

>

>Dear All,

>

>As a 2nd year acupuncture student, I'm noticing in our student clinic

>that several patients seem to be 'dependent' on their therapy sessions,

>and find it hard to move on and terminate their contracts. I imagine

>this is a common problem in most practices (of course, it must be nice

>to have regular patients, but the goal presumably is usually to

>discharge people at some stage). Does anyone know of any papers or

>studies on this subject available on the net (even if they're not

>specific to TCM)? I'd also be interested to hear how people try to deal

>with this as practitioners.

>

>Regards,

>

>Tom K.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at

>Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

>

>Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click,

>http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

>

>

> and

>adjust accordingly.

>

>Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the

>group requires prior permission from the author.

>

>Please consider the environment and only print this message if

>absolutely necessary.

>

>

>

>

>

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