Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 I'd really appreciate any information that people have on the treatment strategies, or references, books on the aspect Bi-Polar treatment. Regards, Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Hi Gordon, Whatever you do, be advised, that if the client is on Lithium and is wanting to get off that drug as part of their treatment, be advised that withdrawal symptoms of Lithium are horrendous, including psychosis. This includes the normal responses normal people can have with this substance. Check out " Your drug may be your problem " for any discussion on withdrawing from any psychiatric drug. It is good reading from a western and counseling viewpoint and has some very practical advice on approaching medication changes. Rozz Gordon Mullins wrote: > I'd really appreciate any information that people have on the treatment > strategies, or references, books on the aspect Bi-Polar treatment. > > Regards, > > Gordon. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Gordon, do you mean dian1 kuang2 bing4? There's a chapter devoted to bipolar disorder in Flaws' and Lake's book Chinese medical psychiatry " http://chinesemedicalpsychiatry.com/ . I have some articles in Chinese on dian kuang bing, if you're interested. Tom. ---- Gordon Mullins 04/21/06 12:16:27 Chinese Medicine Acupuncture - Bi-Polar I'd really appreciate any information that people have on the treatment strategies, or references, books on the aspect Bi-Polar treatment. Regards, Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Thank you so much for your input, it is not a patient of mine, but my girlfriends father, I have tried to stay out of the equation, but it is getting to a situation where I am now feeling under pressure to answer questions. I am in no way going to take part in treatment but its more for my informations and private discussions with my partner...... Bi-Polar is something I have no experience with, but it is causing alot of problems in the family..... Thank you all for you information. Gordon. On 4/21/06, Rozz Lieght <Rusty7 wrote: > > Hi Gordon, > > Whatever you do, be advised, that if the client is on Lithium and is > wanting to get off that drug as part of their treatment, be advised that > withdrawal symptoms of Lithium are horrendous, including psychosis. > This includes the normal responses normal people can have with this > substance. > > Check out " Your drug may be your problem " for any discussion on > withdrawing from any psychiatric drug. It is good reading from a western > and counseling viewpoint and has some very practical advice on > approaching medication changes. > > > Rozz > > > Gordon Mullins wrote: > > I'd really appreciate any information that people have on the treatment > > strategies, or references, books on the aspect Bi-Polar treatment. > > > > Regards, > > > > Gordon. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Gordon, Based on feedback from a family member who is bi-polar, I'd say that acupuncture " helps " (Deadman stresses the Du Main and the 5 Element people stress outer bladder points) but in no way can replace lithium, etc. Treating bi-polar is a case where we have to thank the universe for giving us western medications. They can be viewed as supplementing a chemical that is lacking in the body in order to create a balance —unlike many drugs which repress symptoms . Good luck. Karin On Apr 21, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Gordon Mullins wrote: > Thank you so much for your input, it is not a patient of mine, but my > girlfriends father, I have tried to stay out of the equation, but it > is > getting to a situation where I am now feeling under pressure to answer > questions. I am in no way going to take part in treatment but its > more for > my informations and private discussions with my partner...... > Bi-Polar is > something I have no experience with, but it is causing alot of > problems in > the family..... > > Thank you all for you information. > > Gordon. > > > On 4/21/06, Rozz Lieght <Rusty7 wrote: > > > > Hi Gordon, > > > > Whatever you do, be advised, that if the client is on Lithium and is > > wanting to get off that drug as part of their treatment, be advised > that > > withdrawal symptoms of Lithium are horrendous, including psychosis. > > This includes the normal responses normal people can have with this > > substance. > > > > Check out " Your drug may be your problem "  for any discussion on > > withdrawing from any psychiatric drug. It is good reading from a > western > > and counseling viewpoint and has some very practical advice on > > approaching medication changes. > > > > > > Rozz > > > > > > Gordon Mullins wrote: > > > I'd really appreciate any information that people have on the > treatment > > > strategies, or references, books on the aspect Bi-Polar treatment. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Gordon. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 To say a chemical is lacking in the body that medication supplements is not compatible with modern medical science. If you read those adds in magazines for anti-depressants carefully they say " it is believed " or " it is a theory " that mental problems are caused by a chemical imbalance. In fact in Europe they have started to ban the drug companies from saying this at all. To say that depression is the result of a chemical imbalance is like saying a headache is caused by a lack of asprin. W/D from medications is really bad, but there are ways to treat it effectively. You can give a lot of yin tonics and sprit calming herbs, then treat with acupuncture the w/d symptoms and tonify yin heavily, with mind calming and head and ear points. I would give more detailed advice but the poster is not treating the patient anyway so I don't see the point. Why won't you treat your girlfriends father? Who else would you trust better? I don't see any moral conflict here. Psychiatric drugs are very TOXIC (very yang and hot in OM) and while they provide a temporary solution, they cause more damage then they do good. In the long term patients taking these drugs may never make progress because if they stop taking the drug their symptoms come back even worse, in many cases they have to take them for the rest of their life. Vitamins such as l-tryptophan or 5htp combined with b vitamins are safer and more effective than ssris and could replace lithium as well. Chinese Medicine , Karin Tetlow <ktetlow wrote: > > Gordon, > Based on feedback from a family member who is bi-polar, I'd say that > acupuncture " helps " (Deadman stresses the Du Main and the 5 Element > people stress outer bladder points) but in no way can replace lithium, > etc. Treating bi-polar is a case where we have to thank the universe > for giving us western medications. They can be viewed as supplementing > a chemical that is lacking in the body in order to create a balance > †" unlike many drugs which repress symptoms . > Good luck. > Karin > On Apr 21, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Gordon Mullins wrote: > > > Thank you so much for your input, it is not a patient of mine, but my > > girlfriends father, I have tried to stay out of the equation, but it > > is > > getting to a situation where I am now feeling under pressure to answer > > questions. I am in no way going to take part in treatment but its > > more for > > my informations and private discussions with my partner...... > > Bi-Polar is > > something I have no experience with, but it is causing alot of > > problems in > > the family..... > > > > Thank you all for you information. > > > > Gordon. > > > > > > On 4/21/06, Rozz Lieght <Rusty7 wrote: > > > > > > Hi Gordon, > > > > > > Whatever you do, be advised, that if the client is on Lithium and is > > > wanting to get off that drug as part of their treatment, be advised > > that > > > withdrawal symptoms of Lithium are horrendous, including psychosis. > > > This includes the normal responses normal people can have with this > > > substance. > > > > > > Check out " Your drug may be your problem "  for any discussion on > > > withdrawing from any psychiatric drug. It is good reading from a > > western > > > and counseling viewpoint and has some very practical advice on > > > approaching medication changes. > > > > > > > > > Rozz > > > > > > > > > Gordon Mullins wrote: > > > > I'd really appreciate any information that people have on the > > treatment > > > > strategies, or references, books on the aspect Bi-Polar treatment. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Gordon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Jason, Thanks for the info, all of it makes sence to me, in relation to treating her farther. I learnt a very valuable lesson earily on where I was treating a friend of mine during my TCM college internship, my patient was pregnant, and had in the last 2 years suffered from a number of miscarrages. She miscarried again during my treatments and has never said, but I know she never forgave me (in her mind) for preventing it. I decided from there, not to treat people close to me, so I usually refer them on. Gordon. On 4/23/06, jasonwcom <jasonwcom wrote: > > To say a chemical is lacking in the body that medication supplements > is not compatible with modern medical science. If you read those > adds in magazines for anti-depressants carefully they say " it is > believed " or " it is a theory " that mental problems are caused by a > chemical imbalance. In fact in Europe they have started to ban the > drug companies from saying this at all. To say that depression is > the result of a chemical imbalance is like saying a headache is > caused by a lack of asprin. W/D from medications is really bad, but > there are ways to treat it effectively. You can give a lot of yin > tonics and sprit calming herbs, then treat with acupuncture the w/d > symptoms and tonify yin heavily, with mind calming and head and ear > points. I would give more detailed advice but the poster is not > treating the patient anyway so I don't see the point. Why won't you > treat your girlfriends father? Who else would you trust better? I > don't see any moral conflict here. Psychiatric drugs are very TOXIC > (very yang and hot in OM) and while they provide a temporary > solution, they cause more damage then they do good. In the long term > patients taking these drugs may never make progress because if they > stop taking the drug their symptoms come back even worse, in many > cases they have to take them for the rest of their life. Vitamins > such as l-tryptophan or 5htp combined with b vitamins are safer and > more effective than ssris and could replace lithium as well. > > Chinese Medicine , Karin Tetlow > > <ktetlow wrote: > > > > Gordon, > > Based on feedback from a family member who is bi-polar, I'd say > that > > acupuncture " helps " (Deadman stresses the Du Main and the 5 > Element > > people stress outer bladder points) but in no way can replace > lithium, > > etc. Treating bi-polar is a case where we have to thank the > universe > > for giving us western medications. They can be viewed as > supplementing > > a chemical that is lacking in the body in order to create a > balance > > � " unlike many drugs which repress symptoms . > > Good luck. > > Karin > > On Apr 21, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Gordon Mullins wrote: > > > > > Thank you so much for your input, it is not a patient of mine, > but my > > > girlfriends father, I have tried to stay out of the equation, > but it > > > is > > > getting to a situation where I am now feeling under pressure to > answer > > > questions. I am in no way going to take part in treatment but > its > > > more for > > > my informations and private discussions with my partner...... > > > Bi-Polar is > > > something I have no experience with, but it is causing alot of > > > problems in > > > the family..... > > > > > > Thank you all for you information. > > > > > > Gordon. > > > > > > > > > On 4/21/06, Rozz Lieght <Rusty7 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Gordon, > > > > > > > > Whatever you do, be advised, that if the client is on Lithium > and is > > > > wanting to get off that drug as part of their treatment, be > advised > > > that > > > > withdrawal symptoms of Lithium are horrendous, including > psychosis. > > > > This includes the normal responses normal people can have with > this > > > > substance. > > > > > > > > Check out " Your drug may be your problem " for any discussion > on > > > > withdrawing from any psychiatric drug. It is good reading from > a > > > western > > > > and counseling viewpoint and has some very practical advice on > > > > approaching medication changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rozz > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon Mullins wrote: > > > > > I'd really appreciate any information that people have on > the > > > treatment > > > > > strategies, or references, books on the aspect Bi-Polar > treatment. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Gordon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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