Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Hi Zev: I truly appreciate your comments. Your points are well taken. The mystical and therapeutic aspects of moxa have been curtailed in my practice due to the aforesaid points. Patients love to see the smoke swirling. They also love the smell. I will revisit the matter with the input from yourself & the other practitioners. Regarding the lung qi & xu effects...I know of a very successful practitioner (not in California) that sees 4-5 patients an hour, 35 patients a day,4 days a week, approx 140 patients a week & he does the rice-grain direct moxa on 90% of them. After 8-10 years of the above, he clearly has upper respiratory problems. Don't know if he had a weak constitution prior to the rigorous acupuncture & moxa schedule. My comments were based primarily on the above experience. Regards, Raman Basha, lAC 'Basha' San Diego/Encinitas --- <zrosenbe wrote: > Thread moxa refers to using very fine, rice-grain or > smaller sized > 'threads' of moxa that are burned directly on > acupuncture holes and > removed when hot, often repeated several times. > Also, there are > Japanese 'stick-on' moxas I use with good results > with minimal > smoke. I also use moxa on needle mostly, almost > never poles, except > to give to patients to use at home. > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Tom Verhaeghe wrote: > > > > > A professional smoke extractor (like the ones they > use in labs, not > > the ones > > used in pubs etc.) works wonders for me. A company > called Nederman > > sells > > them. I almost always use moxa on needle, I seldom > use moxa pole. > > But where > > can we find more information on thread style moxa? > Does thread here > > refer to > > a very fine roll of moxa? Burnt directly unto the > skin? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tom. > > > > ---- > > > > > > 04/17/06 20:56:45 > > Chinese Medicine > > Re: moxibustion > > > > I feel very strongly that moxa shouldn't be > abandoned so quickly. > > While I certainly understand the limits that > modern practices in > > medical and mixed used office buildings creates, I > feel that > > moxabustion has been a mainstay of Chinese medical > practice since > > antiquity, and in fact predated acupuncture > practice. It is > > mentioned in the Ma Wang Dui manuscripts, whereas > acupuncture appears > > later, in the Nei Jing corpus. So we shouldn't be > so quick to pass > > up on what historically is of perhaps equal > importance to needle > > therapy. > > > > I don't know if you could truly document lung qi > and yin xu effects > > from moxa, depending on style (thread versus > pole), quality, air > > ventilation, etc. In 24 years of use, I haven't > really seen that > > effect on myself, at least. To give it up > completely, in my opinion, > > reduces the efficacy of Chinese medical practice. > I think personally > > that the pole method of moxa is used too much, the > thread style or > > moxa on needle style too little. > > > > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:26 AM, acu basha wrote: > > > >> Hello everyone: > >> > >> > >> Stopped using traditional moxa years ago do to > >> questionable side effects (lung qi & yin xu), not > to > >> mention the inevitable question from other > tenants in > >> the building, " Who's smoking pot in the > building? " > >> > >> Purchased some Liquid Moxa from Blue Poppy which > can > >> be used with the TDP Lamps, but haven't put it > into > >> clinical use. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> > >> Raman Basha, LAC 'Basha' > >> San Diego/Encinitas > >> > >> --- ivanicboris <ivanicboris wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Hi all > >>> I work in pediatric intensive care department > and it > >>> is not easy to > >>> use moxibustion for its smell. I want to ask > what > >>> can be also use > >>> instead of moxa? > >>> Also I want to ask if someone has experiences > with > >>> using acupuncture > >>> during anesthesia? > >>> > >>> Thanks for all answers > >>> > >>> > >>> Boris > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Rama ! Well, I think this is a very sad comment ! I´m a practioner for about 35 years, I need about 1 hour for each patient, sometimes more !.......... He never make Diagnoses....? I see 6 to 8 patients a day ................! Regards H.Peter .......I know of a very successful practitioner (not in California) that sees 4-5 patients an hour, 35 patients a day,4 days a week, approx 140 patients a week & he does the rice-grain direct moxa on 90% of them. CENTRO DE MEDICINA ORIENTAL Acupunctura-Shiatsu-Adipolise-TCM Dr.H.Peter Nussbaumer 351-269827272,+351-967044284 medoriental ---- acu basha 04/17/06 21:47:04 Chinese Medicine Re: moxibustion Hi Zev: I truly appreciate your comments. Your points are well taken. The mystical and therapeutic aspects of moxa have been curtailed in my practice due to the aforesaid points. Patients love to see the smoke swirling. They also love the smell. I will revisit the matter with the input from yourself & the other practitioners. Regarding the lung qi & xu effects...I know of a very successful practitioner (not in California) that sees 4-5 patients an hour, 35 patients a day,4 days a week, approx 140 patients a week & he does the rice-grain direct moxa on 90% of them. After 8-10 years of the above, he clearly has upper respiratory problems. Don't know if he had a weak constitution prior to the rigorous acupuncture & moxa schedule. My comments were based primarily on the above experience. Regards, Raman Basha, lAC 'Basha' San Diego/Encinitas --- <zrosenbe wrote: > Thread moxa refers to using very fine, rice-grain or > smaller sized > 'threads' of moxa that are burned directly on > acupuncture holes and > removed when hot, often repeated several times. > Also, there are > Japanese 'stick-on' moxas I use with good results > with minimal > smoke. I also use moxa on needle mostly, almost > never poles, except > to give to patients to use at home. > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Tom Verhaeghe wrote: > > > > > A professional smoke extractor (like the ones they > use in labs, not > > the ones > > used in pubs etc.) works wonders for me. A company > called Nederman > > sells > > them. I almost always use moxa on needle, I seldom > use moxa pole. > > But where > > can we find more information on thread style moxa? > Does thread here > > refer to > > a very fine roll of moxa? Burnt directly unto the > skin? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tom. > > > > ---- > > > > > > 04/17/06 20:56:45 > > Chinese Medicine > > Re: moxibustion > > > > I feel very strongly that moxa shouldn't be > abandoned so quickly. > > While I certainly understand the limits that > modern practices in > > medical and mixed used office buildings creates, I > feel that > > moxabustion has been a mainstay of Chinese medical > practice since > > antiquity, and in fact predated acupuncture > practice. It is > > mentioned in the Ma Wang Dui manuscripts, whereas > acupuncture appears > > later, in the Nei Jing corpus. So we shouldn't be > so quick to pass > > up on what historically is of perhaps equal > importance to needle > > therapy. > > > > I don't know if you could truly document lung qi > and yin xu effects > > from moxa, depending on style (thread versus > pole), quality, air > > ventilation, etc. In 24 years of use, I haven't > really seen that > > effect on myself, at least. To give it up > completely, in my opinion, > > reduces the efficacy of Chinese medical practice. > I think personally > > that the pole method of moxa is used too much, the > thread style or > > moxa on needle style too little. > > > > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:26 AM, acu basha wrote: > > > >> Hello everyone: > >> > >> > >> Stopped using traditional moxa years ago do to > >> questionable side effects (lung qi & yin xu), not > to > >> mention the inevitable question from other > tenants in > >> the building, " Who's smoking pot in the > building? " > >> > >> Purchased some Liquid Moxa from Blue Poppy which > can > >> be used with the TDP Lamps, but haven't put it > into > >> clinical use. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> > >> Raman Basha, LAC 'Basha' > >> San Diego/Encinitas > >> > >> --- ivanicboris <ivanicboris wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Hi all > >>> I work in pediatric intensive care department > and it > >>> is not easy to > >>> use moxibustion for its smell. I want to ask > what > >>> can be also use > >>> instead of moxa? > >>> Also I want to ask if someone has experiences > with > >>> using acupuncture > >>> during anesthesia? > >>> > >>> Thanks for all answers > >>> > >>> > >>> Boris > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 http://groups. com and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Re: Moxibustion I love to use moxa on the needle and often use direct moxa. Thread moxa is something I have struggled with. Any explanation of getting such a thin bit of moxa to stand up straight would be appreciated. Tom, which of the Nederman products do you use? I have been looking for a good air cleaner for my office for a long time. Thanks, Sandy River LAc Maine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 I do not use moxa often, but when I do I use small size, smokeless sticks made to go in moxa rollers. The ones I have are 9cm x 0.5cm (3.5 " x 0.2 " ) and they do lit quickly (a tea light works well). They hardly have any smell at all. They are manufactured by Longevity products (China). For the Londoners, Acumedic stocks them. Artemis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 ---- Sandy L River 04/18/06 14:29:11 Chinese Medicine moxibustion Tom, which of the Nederman products do you use? I have been looking for a good air cleaner for my office for a long time. >>>I use the FX50 arm with a Dome Hood FX50: an extraction arm with a hood at the end (the largest hood they had for offer, 350mm diameter). They can be viewed here: http://www.nederman.com/pdf/9848464000.pdf To be installed hanging from the ceiling. I paid a total of 1.093€ for it. You can still smell moxa when you enter the room, but nothing compared to the smoke produced by six moxa rolls happily burning away on a needle : ) I'm very happy with it and would recommend it to anyone who has problems with moxa smoke. Two issues: 1) an even larger hood would have been nice: that way you would be able to cover both abdomen and ankles, for example. And 2) you need to be able to direct the smoke away from your treatment room, to outside. You can use flexible arms for this, the length doesn't reall y matter since the fan is powerful enough and since moxa smoke is very light.. I had the fan installed in a fake ceiling, which downplays the noise of the fan (which is not noisy anyway) and blows the moxa smoke out on the streets. You could combine it with an air filter, but I did not do that. The one I use is just a fume extractor, used in laboratories and elsewhere. The dome hood is ideal for light fumes like moxa smoke. Regards, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 ---- acu basha 04/18/06 10:06:41 Chinese Medicine Re: moxibustion I believe that an incense stick is used to light the rice grain moxa & that he extinguishes the moxa cone directly with his fingers(when the patient indicates it's getting too hot). >>>Aha isn't there a demonstration of this technique on Masakazu Ikeda's dvd?http://www.redwingbooks.com/products/books/ArtAcuDVD.cfm I'd have to watch it again. Now where's that dvd? : ) I noticed Stephen Birch will be present at the tcm congress in Rothenburg this year. Anyone from this list going? I know I am: http://www.tcm-kongress de/ Check out the program here: http://www.tcm-kongress.de/web_eng/program/AG_Roth_engl_web.pdf Anyone here who knows Gordon Faulkner? He will also be teaching in Rothenburg: Dao Yin Yang Sheng Gong, a system of exercises that is more closely related to Chinese medicine than normal Qi Gong. Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Such a great forum! I have found Blue Poppy burn cream to work better than Spring Wind, even though I really like Spring Wind products. The Spring Wind burn cream stains just a small amount, and is wetter than Blue Poppy, so you can get less on the skin with the Blue Poppy. I make a tiny moxa triangle with the thumb and first finger of each hand pushed together, at right angles to each other. This makes a moxa cone that can be as tight (more tonifying) or as loose (more dispersing) as I want it to be. My question about thread moxa is how long do you make the threads? When I have tried it before, they seem to fall over and are hard to light. And then they don't seem to have a base on which to stand, like my cone moxas. Cheers! Sandy River LAc Maine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 thread moxa can be used to good effect if a 'base' of ashes is created with the burning of the first few threads which sat on the customary cream subsequent ones can stay on the heap and burn wholly without need to be extinguished as the heap increases, a larger clump can be used, but never more than a whole rice grain result is a fine warm glow the patient feels which is incredibly healing dr homes www.acu-free.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Hi I've tried using tiger warmers (both the larger and smaller ones) and I got very little heat out of them. It's hard to believe that they are doing anything. Are they supposed to only produce a little heat? Is that the idea? Or is there a knack that I need to have? David --- In Chinese Medicine , " acupuncturebeverlyhills " <acupuncturebeverlyhills wrote: > > Google Tiger Warmer (Thermie) > > Chinese Medicine , " ivanicboris " > <ivanicboris@> wrote: > > > > Hi all > > I work in pediatric intensive care department and it is not easy to > > use moxibustion for its smell. I want to ask what can be also use > > instead of moxa? > > Also I want to ask if someone has experiences with using acupuncture > > during anesthesia? > > > > Thanks for all answers > > > > Boris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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