Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Chinese Medicine , " " < wrote: > > Hi Sharon & All, > > Sharon wrote: > > Hi Everyone, I have a potentially new Px who wants to know how well > > fibromyalgia responds to acupuncture so I wanted to check in and see; > > 1. if anyone has been treating the condition 2. what approach they used > > 3. what changed and 4. the length of time to getting a result Thanks > > Sharon > There are 18 points (they are acupuncture points) they use to diagnose FMS, if you just needle just those you can have a patient for life, because when ever they go to see their Doc, the Doc will say they don't have FMS or at least the symptoms are much better (pain is less in those points). This of course is using the stupidity of Western Medicine for having such a lame diagnostic tool (18 paimful points) against it, but is highly unethical. I believe that FMS is caused buy lack of nuturition going to the muscle cells. This causes the muscle to be anaerobic and toxic. Just with posture training, diaphragmic breathing (the source of nutrition), ying qi points plus shu moxa you should see immediate results. Then add some dao yin execises. Kelvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Hi Pete In the archives of Acupuncture.com at http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2005/mar/03wang.html you can find an article called " Acupuncture and Traditional Chinese Medical Approaches for Fibromyalgia " by Douglas Yi Wang, L.Ac., Dipl. Ac., MD (China) It has also got a picture of the location of the 18 diagnostic points Best wishes Alwin van Egmond Chinese Medicine , petetheisen <petetheisen wrote: > > acupuncturebeverlyhills wrote: > <snip> > > There are 18 points (they are acupuncture points) they use to diagnose > > FMS > > Hi Kelvin! > > Now, you *were* going to post the points, weren't you? Failing that, a > link to them? > > Regards, > > Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Alwin van Egmond wrote: > Hi Pete > > In the archives of Acupuncture.com at > http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2005/mar/03wang.html > > you can find an article called > " Acupuncture and Traditional Chinese Medical Approaches for > Fibromyalgia " by Douglas Yi Wang, L.Ac., Dipl. Ac., MD (China) > > It has also got a picture of the location of the 18 diagnostic points Hi Alwin! Great link! Thanks. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Hi Kelvin, I would like to know those points, too. Would you be very kind to post them. Thanks. amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Got it.Good article.Thanks. amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Hi Sharon, I have fibromyalgia and I am a L.Ac., so I have some information for you that is borne out by personal experience. In broad general terms, it is necessary to address both deficiencies (blood, and qi most commonly, sometimes also yin and/or yang) and excesses (any of the various stagnations - most notable liver qi, dampness/damp heat, and any palpable areas of cold or heat stagnating in the body, etc.). I have had best results using herbs to address constitutional factors above, and acupuncture for flare-ups and acute symptoms (in particular, ear acupuncture has been very effective for me during flare-ups). In my experience, fibromyalgia responds best to shallow and gentle needle techniques on body points; heavier needles with deep insertions and prolonged retention time tend to worsen symptoms of pain, achiness and stiffness. It is essential for your patient to get moving physically - even though MD's are now prescribing aerobic exercise for fibro patients, most are too weak or deconditioned to engage in this and give up quickly when it causes a flare-up. Slow, gentle movement such as Tai Qi or Qi Gong is ideal, and has helped me enormously in regaining flexibility, balance, coordination and stamina. Walking is good for reducing stress and gently moving qi. As well, the importance of healthy eating habits cannot be overstated. As with any patient, you must do your constitutional assessment and base your treatment on what is presenting. Make sure not to overlook the patient's emotional condition too - I found shen calming herbs and treatments to be a lifeline during certain segments of my healing process. I also found it necessary to learn good coping skills for anxiety and stress - which tend to feature strongly in patients with fibromyalgia. Know that fibromyalgia patients are particularly sensitive to weather changes. However, the same weather patterns will not produce flare-ups in all patients; some are better in warm weather, and some better when it is cool. Almost all are worse in damp or humid weather. I first developed fibro symptoms in 1978, was diagnosed in 1993 (a prolonged symptomatic period before diagnosis is common history in fibro patients), and began acupuncture school in 1997, unsure I had the physical ability to complete the program. Learning Tai Qi was an enormous challenge, in which I took a stand on behalf of reclaiming my body. I needed to cut back on my school schedule, but as I moved along with my studies, my health kept getting better and better. I am not totally free of fibromyalgia, but I am able to function reasonably well most of the time, and my symptoms keep decreasing in frequency and severity as time goes by. I no longer think of fibromyalgia as a diagnosis of absolute disability and downturn. What's changed for me? I have more energy, less pain, less stiffness and prolonged muscle cramping (my main troublesome symptoms), less brain fog, and I am " in my body " more than I used to be. I have also learned how to prevent stress from turning into anxiety and then full-blown panic. There's probably more, but I feel so good most of the time that I can't remember what all of my symptoms were! :-) Length of time for results is extremely variable, as fibro flare-ups are so intimately entwined with weather changes, daily events, problematic foods and stressors, and coping strategies for same. In general, flare-ups can respond quickly - inside of a treatment - while ongoing symptoms will change more slowly according to the person's health, resources, and motivation. Depending on how long the patient has had fibromyalgia and how severe it is, this can be a process of ongoing, gradual improvement over a period of years. It can be difficult, unfortunately, to track results in the short-term, due to the impact of weather changes, day-to-day stress, and actual unpredictable changes in the individual's health, etc. So while I may feel good for a week or two and then have a few bad days, that doesn't mean my situation is worsening - but if I compare this winter to 1993, when I was bedridden for several months, the improvement is vast. I hope this helps. Blue Poppy offers a CEU class for fibromyalgia, which I found particularly useful and neatly concise for help with pattern differentiation. If you wish further assistance, you may contact me privately. Best wishes, > Sharon wrote: > > Hi Everyone, I have a potentially new Px who wants to know how well > > fibromyalgia responds to acupuncture so I wanted to check in and see; > > 1. if anyone has been treating the condition 2. what approach they used > > 3. what changed and 4. the length of time to getting a result Thanks > > Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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