Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Hi, I recently posted the notion that smears were only 16% accurate - seemed to cause a minor furore. I was quoting a meta-analysis published by Whatdoctorsdonttellyou here in uk a few years ago. Cervical smears, it seemed are that inaccurate. At the same time, roughly, a national newspapers collected a few smears and had them analysed in different labs over the uk. Results were spectacularly awfull - zero unanimity, with one smear getting `all clear` in one lab, and `pre-cancerous cells` in another lab. The 16% figure was the notion that smears were accurate 16% of the time. Lets not get lost in admiration about medical tests, none of them are that great, in nterms of accuracy - the BMA, itself, published a report, last year, that medical tests overall are only 50% accurate. Think about it - if one test is 90% accurate then another must be only 10%!!!. regards stephen > the country and how this is connected with our economic competitiveness. > > My experience with OB/GYN exam info from my recent medical classes is that > these will only show up positive after cells have changed over time. This > kind of reminds of looking for parasites or another words a needle in the > haystack. It is certainly good to rule this out. > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > >DrGRPorter > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: looking at post-menopausal bleeding from western > >perspective > >Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:04:16 EST > > > > > > > >Dear Stephen: > > > >What do you mean, they are 16% accurate? At what? If someone has an > >infection, an OB/GYN exam will find it. Apparently the person who started > >this > >thread has no way to rule that out before starting treatment. > > > >Do you think it is important to rule out Chlamydial infection? > > > >Guy Porter > > > >In a message dated 3/15/2006 8:40:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, > >stephenmacallan writes: > > > >hi, > >cervical smears (pap smears) are only 16 % accurate anyway - bit of a > >waste > >of time really > > > >stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 To Steve, You said pap smears are a waste of time (because they are only 16% accurate). Would you toss it so freely as a waste of time if it were your penis versus a female's cervix? How do you feel about staying up to date with prostate exams? I don't really want your answer. I just want you to think before you speak on this chat forum. If that one woman who had a positive pap smear for cervical cancer was your mom or your sister or your wife/girlfriend and her screening saved her from a later more grave prognosis, perhaps you might consider it valuable. Stop with the Western medicine bashing. It has some value and has much to learn from Chinese medicine, which will not be accomplished with narrow minded, unappreciative, unsophisticated, spouting. Think before you bash. It increases barriers. Let's work together to build knowledge. Marleen Colangelo, AP, RN, BS, LMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 To AcuChi1: I get that you dont want it but here is my reply, anyway. > > You said pap smears are a waste of time (because they are only 16% > accurate). Would you toss it so freely as a waste of time if it were your > penis > versus a female's cervix? Yes How do you feel about staying up to date with > prostate > exams? I dont get prostate exams. I get checked out other ways I don't really want your answer. I just want you to think before > you speak on this chat forum. Maybe you should think before you speak on this chat forum, considering the insults you hurled at me below. If that one woman who had a positive pap smear > > for cervical cancer was your mom or your sister or your wife/girlfriend and > her > screening saved her from a later more grave prognosis, perhaps you might > consider it valuable. Maybe. But maybe there`d be alot less cancer if it weren`t fot western medicne. After all a recent survey in the US concluded that the further away you live from your doctor and the less you see him/her the less likely you are to develop cancer. Just a maybe! Stop with the Western medicine bashing. It has some > > value and has much to learn from Chinese medicine, which will not be > accomplished > with narrow minded, unappreciative, unsophisticated, spouting. Look in a mirror Think before you bash. I do, clearly, you didn`t. It increases barriers. Let's work together to build knowledge. Indeed, let`s. stephen ------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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