SV: Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56 years old

[Guest guest]

Hi Robert!

 

Can these points be used no matter what the pattern discriminations are?

 

And could you please advise on any good book of Master Tung acupuncture

that I can buy. I live in Sweden, so I need the dealer to sell

international.....

 

Many Thanks!

Carl

 

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----

Från: Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine För Robert Chu

Skickat: den 15 mars 2006 02:37

Till: Chinese Medicine

Ämne: RE: Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56 years old

 

Hi Carl,

 

I once had a patient who had a friable cervix and bled for days

following

intercourse.

 

I needled Sp 6 and Master Tung's points Fu Ke and Liver 2, 3, 6 and it

stopped her bleeding immediately following the acupuncture.

 

 

 

Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

chusauli

 

See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

 

 

 

 

 

> " Carl Henryk Wallmark " <carlhenryk.wallmark

>Chinese Medicine

><Chinese Medicine >

> Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56 years old

>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:27:26 +0100

>

>Hi all!

>

>Many thanks to all of you that have answered my question regarding

>Candida problems!

>

>I have a new question regarding Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause

>woman 56 years old.

>

>This patient went through her menopause (probably) at the age 52-53,

and

>during this time her menstruation ceased. A year later several things

in

>her life brought on a depression, and at this time, her periods started

>again. When she came to me she had " menstruation " bleeding 2 times per

>month, averaging 2 weeks out of 28 days with bleeding per month. After

a

>few weeks treatment she is down to bleeding 5-7 days, just as a normal

>period. This is not good enough however, since these days drains her

>energy considerable and brings on a depression-like state.

>She shows signs of both Kid yin and yang def, with more yin def than

>yang.

>I have used the herb formula Er Xiang Tang with a very good result...

>

>And now to my question: I have tried to stop her bleeding all together,

>with both acupuncture (SP1 moxa, SP8, EX-UE16) and herbs (Ai Ye, Pu

>Huang, E Jiao, Di Yu, Lu Jiao Shuang), since I consider this to be one

>of the problems in her depression-like state. I do however find it very

>difficult to stop the bleeding and have not succeeded so far. Does

>anyone have any suggestions/experience of similar cases?

>

>All answers are appreciated!

>

>BR

>Carl

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carl Henryk

 

There is a new english translation of Tung's Acupuncture by dr Young

Wei-Chieh, author of a well-known chinese edition of Tung's

Acupuncture

 

Look here: http://www.drweichiehyoung.com/publications.html

and http://www.drweichiehyoung.com

 

It can be ordered internationaly.

 

Best wishes

 

Alwin

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Carl Henryk

Wallmark " <carlhenryk.wallmark wrote:

>

> Hi Robert!

>

> Can these points be used no matter what the pattern

discriminations are?

>

> And could you please advise on any good book of Master Tung

acupuncture

> that I can buy. I live in Sweden, so I need the dealer to sell

> international.....

>

> Many Thanks!

> Carl

>

> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----

> Från: Chinese Medicine

> Chinese Medicine För Robert

Chu

> Skickat: den 15 mars 2006 02:37

> Till: Chinese Medicine

> Ämne: RE: Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56

years old

>

> Hi Carl,

>

> I once had a patient who had a friable cervix and bled for days

> following

> intercourse.

>

> I needled Sp 6 and Master Tung's points Fu Ke and Liver 2, 3, 6

and it

> stopped her bleeding immediately following the acupuncture.

>

>

>

> Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

> chusauli

>

> See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

>

>

>

>

>

> > " Carl Henryk Wallmark " <carlhenryk.wallmark

> >Chinese Medicine

> ><Chinese Medicine >

> > Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56

years old

> >Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:27:26 +0100

> >

> >Hi all!

> >

> >Many thanks to all of you that have answered my question regarding

> >Candida problems!

> >

> >I have a new question regarding Uterine bleeding in a post-

menopause

> >woman 56 years old.

> >

> >This patient went through her menopause (probably) at the age 52-

53,

> and

> >during this time her menstruation ceased. A year later several

things

> in

> >her life brought on a depression, and at this time, her periods

started

> >again. When she came to me she had " menstruation " bleeding 2

times per

> >month, averaging 2 weeks out of 28 days with bleeding per month.

After

> a

> >few weeks treatment she is down to bleeding 5-7 days, just as a

normal

> >period. This is not good enough however, since these days drains

her

> >energy considerable and brings on a depression-like state.

> >She shows signs of both Kid yin and yang def, with more yin def

than

> >yang.

> >I have used the herb formula Er Xiang Tang with a very good

result...

> >

> >And now to my question: I have tried to stop her bleeding all

together,

> >with both acupuncture (SP1 moxa, SP8, EX-UE16) and herbs (Ai Ye,

Pu

> >Huang, E Jiao, Di Yu, Lu Jiao Shuang), since I consider this to

be one

> >of the problems in her depression-like state. I do however find

it very

> >difficult to stop the bleeding and have not succeeded so far. Does

> >anyone have any suggestions/experience of similar cases?

> >

> >All answers are appreciated!

> >

> >BR

> >Carl

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

as anyone seen the book. The preview pages do not work. What is really new about

it?

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

-

Alwin van Egmond

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:54 AM

Re: SV: Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56 years old

 

 

Carl Henryk

 

There is a new english translation of Tung's Acupuncture by dr Young

Wei-Chieh, author of a well-known chinese edition of Tung's

Acupuncture

 

Look here: http://www.drweichiehyoung.com/publications.html

and http://www.drweichiehyoung.com

 

It can be ordered internationaly.

 

Best wishes

 

Alwin

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Carl Henryk

Wallmark " <carlhenryk.wallmark wrote:

>

> Hi Robert!

>

> Can these points be used no matter what the pattern

discriminations are?

>

> And could you please advise on any good book of Master Tung

acupuncture

> that I can buy. I live in Sweden, so I need the dealer to sell

> international.....

>

> Many Thanks!

> Carl

>

> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----

> Från: Chinese Medicine

> Chinese Medicine För Robert

Chu

> Skickat: den 15 mars 2006 02:37

> Till: Chinese Medicine

> Ämne: RE: Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56

years old

>

> Hi Carl,

>

> I once had a patient who had a friable cervix and bled for days

> following

> intercourse.

>

> I needled Sp 6 and Master Tung's points Fu Ke and Liver 2, 3, 6

and it

> stopped her bleeding immediately following the acupuncture.

>

>

>

> Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

> chusauli

>

> See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

>

>

>

>

>

> > " Carl Henryk Wallmark " <carlhenryk.wallmark

> >Chinese Medicine

> ><Chinese Medicine >

> > Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56

years old

> >Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:27:26 +0100

> >

> >Hi all!

> >

> >Many thanks to all of you that have answered my question regarding

> >Candida problems!

> >

> >I have a new question regarding Uterine bleeding in a post-

menopause

> >woman 56 years old.

> >

> >This patient went through her menopause (probably) at the age 52-

53,

> and

> >during this time her menstruation ceased. A year later several

things

> in

> >her life brought on a depression, and at this time, her periods

started

> >again. When she came to me she had " menstruation " bleeding 2

times per

> >month, averaging 2 weeks out of 28 days with bleeding per month.

After

> a

> >few weeks treatment she is down to bleeding 5-7 days, just as a

normal

> >period. This is not good enough however, since these days drains

her

> >energy considerable and brings on a depression-like state.

> >She shows signs of both Kid yin and yang def, with more yin def

than

> >yang.

> >I have used the herb formula Er Xiang Tang with a very good

result...

> >

> >And now to my question: I have tried to stop her bleeding all

together,

> >with both acupuncture (SP1 moxa, SP8, EX-UE16) and herbs (Ai Ye,

Pu

> >Huang, E Jiao, Di Yu, Lu Jiao Shuang), since I consider this to

be one

> >of the problems in her depression-like state. I do however find

it very

> >difficult to stop the bleeding and have not succeeded so far. Does

> >anyone have any suggestions/experience of similar cases?

> >

> >All answers are appreciated!

> >

> >BR

> >Carl

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Alon,

 

I have the book. It offers a clearer representation of Master Tung's work

as taught by Dr. Young.

 

For the rest of you:

 

Regarding Fu Ke/ Feminine Disorders point: - it's located on what I call the

F line of the proximal segment of the dorsal thumb, and has two points. The

F line is located between the dorsal midline of the thumb and junction of

the red/white skin on the ulnar side of the thumb. Since this is email, I

can't show you exactly without a picture. On the proximal segment of the

thumb you have to imagine 5 points - you would only use points 2 and 4 -

these are what you would use as the points.

It's indicated for Vaginitis, ovarian cysts, uterine inflammation, uterine

pain, fibroid tumors, abdominal bloating, irregular menstruation, menstrual

cramps, excessive or scanty menstruation, infertility.

 

You can't use this protocol for all bleeding, but you can for all

gynecological bleeding.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

chusauli

 

See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

 

 

 

 

 

> " " <alonmarcus

>Chinese Medicine

><Chinese Medicine >

>Re: SV: Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56 years

>old

>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:28:27 -0800

>

>as anyone seen the book. The preview pages do not work. What is really new

>about it?

>

>

>

>

>Oakland, CA 94609

>

>

> -

> Alwin van Egmond

> Chinese Medicine

> Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:54 AM

> Re: SV: Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56

>years old

>

>

> Carl Henryk

>

> There is a new english translation of Tung's Acupuncture by dr Young

> Wei-Chieh, author of a well-known chinese edition of Tung's

> Acupuncture

>

> Look here: http://www.drweichiehyoung.com/publications.html

> and http://www.drweichiehyoung.com

>

> It can be ordered internationaly.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Alwin

>

>

> Chinese Medicine , " Carl Henryk

> Wallmark " <carlhenryk.wallmark wrote:

> >

> > Hi Robert!

> >

> > Can these points be used no matter what the pattern

> discriminations are?

> >

> > And could you please advise on any good book of Master Tung

> acupuncture

> > that I can buy. I live in Sweden, so I need the dealer to sell

> > international.....

> >

> > Many Thanks!

> > Carl

> >

> > -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----

> > Från: Chinese Medicine

> > Chinese Medicine För Robert

> Chu

> > Skickat: den 15 mars 2006 02:37

> > Till: Chinese Medicine

> > Ämne: RE: Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56

> years old

> >

> > Hi Carl,

> >

> > I once had a patient who had a friable cervix and bled for days

> > following

> > intercourse.

> >

> > I needled Sp 6 and Master Tung's points Fu Ke and Liver 2, 3, 6

> and it

> > stopped her bleeding immediately following the acupuncture.

> >

> >

> >

> > Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

> > chusauli

> >

> > See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > " Carl Henryk Wallmark " <carlhenryk.wallmark

> > >Chinese Medicine

> > ><Chinese Medicine >

> > > Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56

> years old

> > >Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:27:26 +0100

> > >

> > >Hi all!

> > >

> > >Many thanks to all of you that have answered my question regarding

> > >Candida problems!

> > >

> > >I have a new question regarding Uterine bleeding in a post-

> menopause

> > >woman 56 years old.

> > >

> > >This patient went through her menopause (probably) at the age 52-

> 53,

> > and

> > >during this time her menstruation ceased. A year later several

> things

> > in

> > >her life brought on a depression, and at this time, her periods

> started

> > >again. When she came to me she had " menstruation " bleeding 2

> times per

> > >month, averaging 2 weeks out of 28 days with bleeding per month.

> After

> > a

> > >few weeks treatment she is down to bleeding 5-7 days, just as a

> normal

> > >period. This is not good enough however, since these days drains

> her

> > >energy considerable and brings on a depression-like state.

> > >She shows signs of both Kid yin and yang def, with more yin def

> than

> > >yang.

> > >I have used the herb formula Er Xiang Tang with a very good

> result...

> > >

> > >And now to my question: I have tried to stop her bleeding all

> together,

> > >with both acupuncture (SP1 moxa, SP8, EX-UE16) and herbs (Ai Ye,

> Pu

> > >Huang, E Jiao, Di Yu, Lu Jiao Shuang), since I consider this to

> be one

> > >of the problems in her depression-like state. I do however find

> it very

> > >difficult to stop the bleeding and have not succeeded so far. Does

> > >anyone have any suggestions/experience of similar cases?

> > >

> > >All answers are appreciated!

> > >

> > >BR

> > >Carl

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Alon

 

The preview pages are listed at the bottom of the page. The link to

them doesn't work but if you scroll down you will see them. Of the

preview pages only one is actually available.

 

What I meant with 'new' is that it is only available since July 2005.

Still recent enough to call it a new book I think.

 

Best wishes

 

Alwin

 

Chinese Medicine , " Alon Marcus

DOM " <alonmarcus wrote:

>

> as anyone seen the book. The preview pages do not work. What is

really new about it?

>

>

>

>

> Oakland, CA 94609

>

>

> -

> Alwin van Egmond

> Chinese Medicine

> Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:54 AM

> Re: SV: Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman

56 years old

>

>

> Carl Henryk

>

> There is a new english translation of Tung's Acupuncture by dr

Young

> Wei-Chieh, author of a well-known chinese edition of Tung's

> Acupuncture

>

> Look here: http://www.drweichiehyoung.com/publications.html

> and http://www.drweichiehyoung.com

>

> It can be ordered internationaly.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Alwin

>

>

> Chinese Medicine , " Carl Henryk

> Wallmark " <carlhenryk.wallmark@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Robert!

> >

> > Can these points be used no matter what the pattern

> discriminations are?

> >

> > And could you please advise on any good book of Master Tung

> acupuncture

> > that I can buy. I live in Sweden, so I need the dealer to sell

> > international.....

> >

> > Many Thanks!

> > Carl

> >

> > -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----

> > Från: Chinese Medicine

> > Chinese Medicine För

Robert

> Chu

> > Skickat: den 15 mars 2006 02:37

> > Till: Chinese Medicine

> > Ämne: RE: Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56

> years old

> >

> > Hi Carl,

> >

> > I once had a patient who had a friable cervix and bled for days

> > following

> > intercourse.

> >

> > I needled Sp 6 and Master Tung's points Fu Ke and Liver 2, 3, 6

> and it

> > stopped her bleeding immediately following the acupuncture.

> >

> >

> >

> > Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, AHG, PhD

> > chusauli@

> >

> > See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > " Carl Henryk Wallmark " <carlhenryk.wallmark@>

> > >Chinese Medicine

> > ><Chinese Medicine >

> > > Uterine bleeding in a post-menopause woman 56

> years old

> > >Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:27:26 +0100

> > >

> > >Hi all!

> > >

> > >Many thanks to all of you that have answered my question

regarding

> > >Candida problems!

> > >

> > >I have a new question regarding Uterine bleeding in a post-

> menopause

> > >woman 56 years old.

> > >

> > >This patient went through her menopause (probably) at the age

52-

> 53,

> > and

> > >during this time her menstruation ceased. A year later several

> things

> > in

> > >her life brought on a depression, and at this time, her

periods

> started

> > >again. When she came to me she had " menstruation " bleeding 2

> times per

> > >month, averaging 2 weeks out of 28 days with bleeding per

month.

> After

> > a

> > >few weeks treatment she is down to bleeding 5-7 days, just as

a

> normal

> > >period. This is not good enough however, since these days

drains

> her

> > >energy considerable and brings on a depression-like state.

> > >She shows signs of both Kid yin and yang def, with more yin

def

> than

> > >yang.

> > >I have used the herb formula Er Xiang Tang with a very good

> result...

> > >

> > >And now to my question: I have tried to stop her bleeding all

> together,

> > >with both acupuncture (SP1 moxa, SP8, EX-UE16) and herbs (Ai

Ye,

> Pu

> > >Huang, E Jiao, Di Yu, Lu Jiao Shuang), since I consider this

to

> be one

> > >of the problems in her depression-like state. I do however

find

> it very

> > >difficult to stop the bleeding and have not succeeded so far.

Does

> > >anyone have any suggestions/experience of similar cases?

> > >

> > >All answers are appreciated!

> > >

> > >BR

> > >Carl

> > >

> > >

> > >