Acupuncture points and Emotional Release Work

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On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, mischievous00 wrote:

 

> I have recently relocated and opening my office. I have had a

> pyschotherapist refer some patinets to me for emotional work using

> acupuncture points, a few of these patients I have already consulted

> with and will be starting treatment with them next week.

>

> Do any of you have a good source, books, etc. of which acupuncture

> points to use for specific emotional release work of different

> emotions, so far I only know of the points along the outter bladder

> meridian near the scapular region.

>

> This may be a good source of referrals for my office but I want to

> be sure that I have the proper acupuncture points so get the best

> results possible, otherwise I will not feel good about trying to

> help someone by guessing and hoping I get the results they are

> looking for.

>

> I can always use the other techniques I have learned such as net,

> eft, bach flowers, etc. but I would really like to incorporate using

> acupuncture into the treatment.

>

> Thanks

> Brian

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Have you reaad Leon Hammer's 'Dragon Rises- Red Bird Flies'?

Cleary not everyone likes it (he's a Freudian M.D. and uses 5

element) but I think it's interesting and relatates to your new

avenue, anyway. Gus Turpin

 

>

> I have recently relocated and opening my office. I have had a

> pyschotherapist refer some patinets to me for emotional work using

> acupuncture points, a few of these patients I have already consulted

> with and will be starting treatment with them next week.

>

> Do any of you have a good source, books, etc. of which acupuncture

> points to use for specific emotional release work of different

> emotions, so far I only know of the points along the outter bladder

> meridian near the scapular region.

>

> This may be a good source of referrals for my office but I want to

> be sure that I have the proper acupuncture points so get the best

> results possible, otherwise I will not feel good about trying to

> help someone by guessing and hoping I get the results they are

> looking for.

>

> I can always use the other techniques I have learned such as net,

> eft, bach flowers, etc. but I would really like to incorporate using

> acupuncture into the treatment.

>

> Thanks

> Brian

>

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Hi Brian,

 

I have a very similar situation since I will start working this month

in a psycho trauma center here in Jerusalem.

I think that we should concentrate on the patterns that the patient

manifest and not only target the emotions. As Al Stone articulated in

the current thread " Jade Windscreen Alchemy " , we should diagnose the

syndrome.

Other than that I recommend Jeremy Ross book on point combination.

Giovanni also has a nice chapter on mental-emotional imbalances.

 

Good luck

Guy

 

Israel

 

> >

> > I have recently relocated and opening my office. I have had a

> > pyschotherapist refer some patinets to me for emotional work using

> > acupuncture points, a few of these patients I have already consulted

> > with and will be starting treatment with them next week.

> >

> > Do any of you have a good source, books, etc. of which acupuncture

> > points to use for specific emotional release work of different

> > emotions, so far I only know of the points along the outter bladder

> > meridian near the scapular region.

> >

> > This may be a good source of referrals for my office but I want to

> > be sure that I have the proper acupuncture points so get the best

> > results possible, otherwise I will not feel good about trying to

> > help someone by guessing and hoping I get the results they are

> > looking for.

> >

> > I can always use the other techniques I have learned such as net,

> > eft, bach flowers, etc. but I would really like to incorporate using

> > acupuncture into the treatment.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Brian

>

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I have recently relocated and opening my office. I have had a

pyschotherapist refer some patinets to me for emotional work using

acupuncture points, a few of these patients I have already consulted

with and will be starting treatment with them next week.

 

Do any of you have a good source, books, etc. of which acupuncture

points to use for specific emotional release work of different

emotions, so far I only know of the points along the outter bladder

meridian near the scapular region.

 

This may be a good source of referrals for my office but I want to

be sure that I have the proper acupuncture points so get the best

results possible, otherwise I will not feel good about trying to

help someone by guessing and hoping I get the results they are

looking for.

 

I can always use the other techniques I have learned such as net,

eft, bach flowers, etc. but I would really like to incorporate using

acupuncture into the treatment.

 

Thanks

Brian

[Guest guest]

Hi Brian,

 

I'm going to mix idioms here because I stated out in Western bodywork and

found breathing and the regulation of breathing to be most useful for

opening the chest and relieving depression, sadness and stagnation based

anger.

 

Needling LV 14 towards a needle at LU 1 with heavy stimulation can be an

interesting combination, especially in women with depression related to

liver stagnation with chest related PMS sx, frequently 1-4 treatments would

change there whole pile of stuff. CV 17 works along the same lines, but the

effect has often seemed more cathartic and less sustained (sort of huo ma

ren vs. da huang). With tight pec minor and scapular protraction (droopy dog

shoulders) at times GB 22/23 (area) can be very useful (I've been told it

used to be the grand luo pt before it was usurped by SP 21 [anybody got a

classical source for that?]).

 

I typically also recommend breathing exercises, check out: " Ways to better

breathing " by Speads

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0892813970/sr=8-1/qid=1141951029/ref=sr_1_1/002\

-7181113-3124858?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Not a CM text, but it is an easy and delightful way to follow the Daoist

injunction to make the breath fine and subtle, the exercises are easy, and

you can read it in about half an hour. I have 4 copies and loan them out to

patients.

 

The distal pericardium points (5-6-7) have interesting and shaded effects

for opening the chest. Typically I will needle the most reactive one but as

a rule 7 seemed to crop up most often with sudden pain and depression, six

was sort of general and five seemed best for people who were really not

expressing themselves at all (perhaps a heart-tongue connection?) Apparently

this is a common effect for jing/river points (thanks Deadman!).

 

Metaphorically the medial scapular pts can help to uncover the heart, but go

easy because people can rebound from this if pushed through the changes

mechanically in this area (ditto for PC 17). I used to end up treating a lot

of people who started with pushy body oriented psychotherapy (the worst

tended to be Bio-Energetics, but I'm sure somebody who knows what they are

doing will not screw people up) and ended up more stuck than when they

started. Perhaps the more lateral points (GB, LV LU) are not as moving but

they don't risk pushing the change too hard.

 

The diaphragm shu and its outer line point are also useful for opening the

breathing and they seem relatively gentle, I usually needle the GV pt in a

line with these to access deeper reserves.

 

I think there is an interesting contrast between depressions with primary

liver stagnation and depressions with primary lung weakness where the lung

is shut down (more sadness, softer less rigid breathing). Obviously if you

don't supplement the lung and just fluff up liver qi they never really go

anywhere. Perhaps it is a case for yu ping feng san!

 

Ba feng pts are useful.

 

Self massage on the abdomen can also help, especially with

constipation/diarrhea alternating. A surprising amount of the total

seratonin in the body is generated in the " brain in the gut " , and I

experimented for a while with essential oils applied to the abdomen for

massage purposes (I remember using clary sage + jojoba with some young women

with eating disorders and depression with various menstrual woes [i worked

with a lot of dancers so these people are a substantial category]), but it

didn't seem to make a huge difference with the EOs. Of course, deep

breathing here is also helpful. There is also the navel herb patch therapy

which might be an interesting application of herbal medicine here, I've been

meaning to try it out but I'm not treating as many psych cases any more...

 

It should be noted that the effects of this kind of thing can be quite

dramatic, especially if the patient is an emotional " stuffer " , so moderation

is the watchword. Warn them to not make a lot of decisions about important

things till the movement has settled down, it can unleash some pent up

nasties (fights with loved ones, one divorce, and a number of changes of

employment).

 

I hope that's useful.

 

Par

 

 

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" mischievous00 " <mischievous00

 

Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:24 AM

Acupuncture points and Emotional Release Work

 

 

>I have recently relocated and opening my office. I have had a

> pyschotherapist refer some patinets to me for emotional work using

> acupuncture points, a few of these patients I have already consulted

> with and will be starting treatment with them next week.

>

> Do any of you have a good source, books, etc. of which acupuncture

> points to use for specific emotional release work of different

> emotions, so far I only know of the points along the outter bladder

> meridian near the scapular region.

>

> This may be a good source of referrals for my office but I want to

> be sure that I have the proper acupuncture points so get the best

> results possible, otherwise I will not feel good about trying to

> help someone by guessing and hoping I get the results they are

> looking for.

>

> I can always use the other techniques I have learned such as net,

> eft, bach flowers, etc. but I would really like to incorporate using

> acupuncture into the treatment.

>

> Thanks

> Brian

>

>

>

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I have to agree about Ross' work. He goes further out into the

spiritual/emotional realm of CM than just about any other native

English writer I know of, yet seems better rooted in theory and the

physical aspects than most as well. Some of his stuff doesn't make

immediate sense to me based on my experience but it's worth sifting

through for the stuff that does and planning on going back later for

another sifting. Gus Turpin

 

> Hi Brian,

>

> I have a very similar situation since I will start working this month

> in a psycho trauma center here in Jerusalem.

> I think that we should concentrate on the patterns that the patient

> manifest and not only target the emotions. As Al Stone articulated in

> the current thread " Jade Windscreen Alchemy " , we should diagnose the

> syndrome.

> Other than that I recommend Jeremy Ross book on point combination.

> Giovanni also has a nice chapter on mental-emotional imbalances.

>

> Good luck

> Guy

>

> Israel

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

All points have an emotional response.

 

There is no distinction between the physical, the emotional and the

spiritual. And so when treating a person it is possible to pick up

from them (either through the pulses or by talking to them) that

they need to " let go " , then treat the large intestine (eg LI4, or

even the shokanten point of the Yang Ming, ST 27), if they need to

speak up, treat the Heart (eg HT5), if their boundaries are not

strong, treat the Spleen etc etc etc for all the different organs.

 

In other words, treat the emotional by treating the physical, treat

the spiritual by treating the emotional etc.

 

I always find it easier to go back to the thought that all of the

organs are the Ministers in the government, with the Heart being the

Emporer, Gall Bladder is the Minister of Decision Making etc etc.

This then is a good guide for both physical and emotional issues.

 

Contact me again if I have not been clear.

 

Have fun....

 

 

In Chinese Medicine , " mischievous00 "

<mischievous00 wrote:

>

> I have recently relocated and opening my office. I have had a

> pyschotherapist refer some patinets to me for emotional work using

> acupuncture points, a few of these patients I have already

consulted

> with and will be starting treatment with them next week.

>

> Do any of you have a good source, books, etc. of which acupuncture

> points to use for specific emotional release work of different

> emotions, so far I only know of the points along the outter

bladder

> meridian near the scapular region.

>

> This may be a good source of referrals for my office but I want to

> be sure that I have the proper acupuncture points so get the best

> results possible, otherwise I will not feel good about trying to

> help someone by guessing and hoping I get the results they are

> looking for.

>

> I can always use the other techniques I have learned such as net,

> eft, bach flowers, etc. but I would really like to incorporate

using

> acupuncture into the treatment.

>

> Thanks

> Brian

>

[Guest guest]

, " mischievous00 "

<mischievous00 wrote:

 

> This may be a good source of referrals for my office but I want to

> be sure that I have the proper acupuncture points so get the best

> results possible, otherwise I will not feel good about trying to

> help someone by guessing and hoping I get the results they are

> looking for.

 

Rather than look for acupuncture " tricks " and one-point wonders, why

not just do a regular TCM diagnosis, picking a disease category and

doing a pattern discrimination.

 

Once you have the pattern of disharmony, the treatment principle

follows. Many acpuncture reference books contain acupuncture point

prescriptions for patterns of disharmony.

 

Brian C. Allen

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hi brian and all...

 

you can check out the GREAT RIVER SYMPOSIUM this year (March 31-April 2) in

Minnesota...

MANY interesting speakers scheduled. Last year was a great seminar....this year

the title

is Embracing the Spirit - Treating psychological Disorders with TCM....Sharon

Weisenbaum, Robert Hayden and others....looks interesting. Including herbs and

acupuncture.

 

Sorry to mention this if you are not in the states.

 

best,

Linda

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Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:31 AM

Acupuncture points and Emotional Release Work

 

 

I have recently relocated and opening my office. I have had a

pyschotherapist refer some patinets to me for emotional work using

acupuncture points, a few of these patients I have already consulted

with and will be starting treatment with them next week.

 

Do any of you have a good source, books, etc. of which acupuncture

points to use for specific emotional release work of different

emotions, so far I only know of the points along the outter bladder

meridian near the scapular region.

 

This may be a good source of referrals for my office but I want to

be sure that I have the proper acupuncture points so get the best

results possible, otherwise I will not feel good about trying to

help someone by guessing and hoping I get the results they are

looking for.

 

I can always use the other techniques I have learned such as net,

eft, bach flowers, etc. but I would really like to incorporate using

acupuncture into the treatment.

 

Thanks

Brian

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Check out Michael Greenwoods work.

http://www.medicalacupuncture.com/aama_marf/journal/Vol11_1/five.html

 

And:

http://www.vicpain.com/clinic.php

 

He treats chronic pain using emotional release with acupuncture and

special breathing exercises. His books (

http://members.shaw.ca/paradoxpublishing/ ) are all excellent at

describing what he does and why. He has an internship in Victoria

Canada which I hope to do within the next year.

 

Treating emotional conditions involves a lot more than " knowing the

right points " . It really is a whole sub-field of

requiring a fair amount of study and experience if you want to delve

deeply into it or specialize in it. It takes the right kind of

personality as well, and isn't for everyone. 5-Element training

certainly can help as well as it deals well with spirit / emotional

issues.

 

If you don't want to delve that deeply into it, or if you want something

to start with as you deepen your understanding, try an aggressive energy

treatment (all the Yin back Shu's) for emotional release or needling all

the Yin source points for normalizing the energy of the body and

emotions. One treatment I learned about from my Japanese instructor is:

Du-20, PC-6, Ren-6, Kid-3 which works wonders on PTSD and kids with

ADHD.

 

In general I don't like using protocols. I generally only do, when I'm

stumped, or for treating some conditions that seem to more often than

not respond well to protocol treatments.

 

Good luck!

 

Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

Oasis Acupuncture

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Suite D-35

Scottsdale, AZ 85258

Phone: (480) 991-3650

Fax: (480) 247-4472

 

 

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Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:32 AM

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Acupuncture points and Emotional Release Work

 

 

I have recently relocated and opening my office. I have had a

pyschotherapist refer some patinets to me for emotional work using

acupuncture points, a few of these patients I have already consulted

with and will be starting treatment with them next week.

 

Do any of you have a good source, books, etc. of which acupuncture

points to use for specific emotional release work of different

emotions, so far I only know of the points along the outter bladder

meridian near the scapular region.

 

This may be a good source of referrals for my office but I want to

be sure that I have the proper acupuncture points so get the best

results possible, otherwise I will not feel good about trying to

help someone by guessing and hoping I get the results they are

looking for.

 

I can always use the other techniques I have learned such as net,

eft, bach flowers, etc. but I would really like to incorporate using

acupuncture into the treatment.

 

Thanks

Brian

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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