Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Hello All- I am looking for some advice. Below is a client description. I am looking for possibly a single herb or small combination for use. They are afraid of acupuncture and pressure Male Age: 31 Non Smoker Tongue: quiet reddened Also complains of lower back pain, and suffers from small " black outs " from time to time. I am looking to tonify the kidney. I know the compound use of the following can be used: Radix Ginseng Radix Ophiopogonis Fructus Schisandrae Rhizoma Zingiberis Concha Ostreae Usta Radix G. Praeparata Can anyone provide me with a small (one or two herb) compound? Thnx for the help everyone! Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Dong chong xia cao/cordyceps supplements the kidney very nicely by itself. However, I am concerned that this patient has heat judging by the tongue (what is a quiet reddened tongue?). What are the pulses like, and why do you want to supplement the kidney? What is your rationale? Why can't you use a formula with this patient? On Mar 6, 2006, at 10:26 PM, Nicholas wrote: > Hello All- > I am looking for some advice. > Below is a client description. I am looking for possibly a single > herb or > small combination for use. They are afraid of acupuncture and > pressure > > Male > Age: 31 > Non Smoker > Tongue: quiet reddened > Also complains of lower back pain, and suffers from small " black > outs " from > time to time. > > I am looking to tonify the kidney. I know the compound use of the > following > can be used: > > Radix Ginseng > Radix Ophiopogonis > Fructus Schisandrae > Rhizoma Zingiberis > Concha Ostreae Usta > Radix G. Praeparata > > Can anyone provide me with a small (one or two herb) compound? > > Thnx for the help everyone! > Nicholas > > > > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Chinese > Medicine Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http:// > toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > http:// > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > the group requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > absolutely necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 >>suffers from small " blackouts " from time to time.<< In my view, transient loss of consciousness (syncope) is a red flag that calls for non-TCM investigation (perhaps an ECG). If cardiac-related there is a 30- something percent risk of mortality. Just a thought from an integrationist. Joe Reid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 I agree. One shouldn't take such cases lightly. A more in-depth presentation of the case would be very helpful. On Mar 7, 2006, at 10:06 AM, jreidomd wrote: > In my view, transient loss of consciousness (syncope) is a red flag > that calls > for non-TCM investigation (perhaps an ECG). If cardiac-related > there is a 30- > something percent risk of mortality. Just a thought from an > integrationist. > > Joe Reid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Joe- Historically I have looked at that, however, many of our library texts also reference that to being part of Prostration problem.... Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of jreidomd Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:06 AM Chinese Medicine Re: Prostration Diagnosis >>suffers from small " blackouts " from time to time.<< In my view, transient loss of consciousness (syncope) is a red flag that calls for non-TCM investigation (perhaps an ECG). If cardiac-related there is a 30- something percent risk of mortality. Just a thought from an integrationist. Joe Reid Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Z'ev I'll just looked at three different books on my desk, and they all say it is a symptom of Prostration problem. The client has complained of these such problems after intercourse. He is rather sexually active, more than average, also has bladder problems as well. His MD has told him it was a Prostration problem, and he doesn't fell comfortable taking medication. He doesn't like the use of chemicals in his body. He lives a good life style, and his dietary habits are decent. In an average week he has intercourse at least 20 times, on the down slope. I know this is a common thing that can lead to prostration problems, more so inflammation. Nicholas Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Z'ev Rosenberg Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:51 AM Chinese Medicine Re: Prostration Diagnosis I agree. One shouldn't take such cases lightly. A more in-depth presentation of the case would be very helpful. On Mar 7, 2006, at 10:06 AM, jreidomd wrote: > In my view, transient loss of consciousness (syncope) is a red flag > that calls > for non-TCM investigation (perhaps an ECG). If cardiac-related > there is a 30- > something percent risk of mortality. Just a thought from an > integrationist. > > Joe Reid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 What is " prostration problem " ? What source text? I've never heard of it. . . On Mar 7, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Nicholas wrote: > Joe- > Historically I have looked at that, however, many of our library > texts also > reference that to being part of Prostration problem.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Oh, you mean prostate problem. . . On Mar 7, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Nicholas wrote: > Z'ev > I'll just looked at three different books on my desk, and they all > say it is > a symptom of Prostration problem. The client has complained of > these such > problems after intercourse. He is rather sexually active, more than > average, > also has bladder problems as well. His MD has told him it was a > Prostration > problem, and he doesn't fell comfortable taking medication. He > doesn't like > the use of chemicals in his body. > He lives a good life style, and his dietary habits are decent. > In an average week he has intercourse at least 20 times, on the > down slope. > I know this is a common thing that can lead to prostration > problems, more so > inflammation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Z'ev Sorry, I did not clarify that Yes, Prostate problem... Any thoughts on an herbal remedy? Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Z'ev Rosenberg Tuesday, March 07, 2006 12:31 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Prostration Diagnosis Oh, you mean prostate problem. . . On Mar 7, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Nicholas wrote: > Z'ev > I'll just looked at three different books on my desk, and they all > say it is > a symptom of Prostration problem. The client has complained of > these such > problems after intercourse. He is rather sexually active, more than > average, > also has bladder problems as well. His MD has told him it was a > Prostration > problem, and he doesn't fell comfortable taking medication. He > doesn't like > the use of chemicals in his body. > He lives a good life style, and his dietary habits are decent. > In an average week he has intercourse at least 20 times, on the > down slope. > I know this is a common thing that can lead to prostration > problems, more so > inflammation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:25:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, solomon writes: In an average week he has intercourse at least 20 times, on the > down slope. > I know this is a common thing that can lead to prostration > problems, more so > inflammation. I would think that he would have or will have an essence deficiency, and some emotional stuff as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Does this mean that the patient is already being seen by an allopath? If so, perhaps he means a prostate problem instead of prostration problem? Don Snow DAOM(abd) --- In Chinese Medicine , " Nicholas " <solomon wrote: > > Z'ev > I'll just looked at three different books on my desk, and they all say it is > a symptom of Prostration problem. The client has complained of these such > problems after intercourse. He is rather sexually active, more than average, > also has bladder problems as well. His MD has told him it was a Prostration > problem, and he doesn't fell comfortable taking medication. He doesn't like > the use of chemicals in his body. > He lives a good life style, and his dietary habits are decent. > In an average week he has intercourse at least 20 times, on the down slope. > I know this is a common thing that can lead to prostration problems, more so > inflammation. > > Nicholas > > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Z'ev > Rosenberg > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:51 AM > Chinese Medicine > Re: Prostration Diagnosis > > I agree. One shouldn't take such cases lightly. A more in-depth > presentation of the case would be very helpful. > > > On Mar 7, 2006, at 10:06 AM, jreidomd wrote: > > > In my view, transient loss of consciousness (syncope) is a red flag > > that calls > > for non-TCM investigation (perhaps an ECG). If cardiac-related > > there is a 30- > > something percent risk of mortality. Just a thought from an > > integrationist. > > > > Joe Reid > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 How about a possible TIA or Cardiac event? Refer to a cardiologist to R/O cardiac event. Refer to neurologist to R/O carotid blockage. Need ultrasound to determine extent of blockage if any. Then surgery to remove plaque deposits. my two cents. amy calibuso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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