J. Yuen's Essential Oil Notes, ethics?

[Guest guest]

Hi Cameron,

 

Thank you so much for bringing this issue up - I wrote the group stating

where people could buy Jeffrey's CDs on Essential Oils - I realize that they're

expensive - but they're much cheaper than the seminar and they are worth

every penny.

I think I can understand asking for notes if Jeffrey weren't doing a seminar

on the topic anymore or if they weren't available commercially - but fair is

fair - do the right thing.

I've taken many classes from Jeffrey and he is so generous with his

knowledge and his time but I see people taking advantage all the time. One

person

takes the class and several others contribute to the cost of the class and they

all share the notes. Again I suppose I can understand it if the class were

sold out but that is usually not the case. I know that most people on this

list would be screaming bloody murder if this were happening to them and

seminars they were giving or articles they'd written.

 

Mary Chamberlain, L.Ac.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Unless Jeffrey Yuen has given his permission to share his lecture

notes, especially since it seems that he charges money for them, it

is wrong for them to be freely shared on an open forum like this. I

am surprised that this thread is not being moderated more carefully,

as it puts the TCM list in a bad light.

 

 

 

On Mar 3, 2006, at 5:53 AM, acumary wrote:

 

> I've taken many classes from Jeffrey and he is so generous with his

> knowledge and his time but I see people taking advantage all the

> time. One person

> takes the class and several others contribute to the cost of the

> class and they

> all share the notes. Again I suppose I can understand it if the

> class were

> sold out but that is usually not the case. I know that most

> people on this

> list would be screaming bloody murder if this were happening to

> them and

> seminars they were giving or articles they'd written.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:16:26 0800, " " <zrosenbe wrote:

 

> Unless Jeffrey Yuen has given his permission to share his lecture

notes, especially since it seems that he charges money for them, it

is wrong for them to be freely shared on an open forum like this. I

am surprised that this thread is not being moderated more carefully,

as it puts the TCM list in a bad light.

 

I thoroughly agree that we all ought to be aware of and respect

authors' rights and wishes, legal and less formal.

 

From what I've observed, Jeffrey himself seems relatively free of

attachment to how his ideas get spread around. He does get reimbursed

by whoever sponsors his lectures, but appears to respect however the

sponsor chooses to treat the material. The American University of

Complementary Medicine discourages copying of lectures they sponsor,

but some are available in transcript form an associated website

(HerbalRoom). Various professional organizations (CSOMA, AAOM, AOBTA,

etc. and the New England school) sometimes copyright them and arrange

to offer tape or CD copies for sale.

 

Jeffery, as many are aware, does not himself write / publish, as he

upholds an essentially oral lineage. And, aside from deferring to the

various policies of his sponsors, my impression is that although it

might sadden him if someone were to misrepresent him, he generally

encourages promulgation and especially further development of ideas

and interpretations he voices. For instance, I asked him, recently,

about my writing an article for publication outlining his theory of

the 8 Extraordinary channels, as it reflects human constitutional

development. My question was whether he would prefer to see and

screen any such manuscript, and how to manage citing him as a source.

His answer was that I should proceed according to my own best

judgement. (My approach will be in fact to make clear that the ideas

stem from his lectures, but that my representation is, necessarily,

only my interpretation thereof.)

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your reply,

I would never want to disrespect anyone using their knowlege to

make money. I am glad that Monsieur Yuen feels medical

learning is a free gift. I hope the forum can support such topics

as the sharing of information within the boundries of

scholarship. I do not think that denegrates this list.

Infinite blessings to all and sundry,

Cameron

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Chris

Macie < wrote:

>

> Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:16:26 0800, " "

<zrosenbe wrote:

>

> > Unless Jeffrey Yuen has given his permission to share his

lecture

> notes, especially since it seems that he charges money for

them, it

> is wrong for them to be freely shared on an open forum like

this. I

> am surprised that this thread is not being moderated more

carefully,

> as it puts the TCM list in a bad light.

>

> I thoroughly agree that we all ought to be aware of and respect

> authors' rights and wishes, legal and less formal.

>

> From what I've observed, Jeffrey himself seems relatively free

of

> attachment to how his ideas get spread around. He does get

reimbursed

> by whoever sponsors his lectures, but appears to respect

however the

> sponsor chooses to treat the material. The American University

of

> Complementary Medicine discourages copying of lectures they

sponsor,

> but some are available in transcript form an associated

website

> (HerbalRoom). Various professional organizations (CSOMA,

AAOM, AOBTA,

> etc. and the New England school) sometimes copyright them

and arrange

> to offer tape or CD copies for sale.

>

> Jeffery, as many are aware, does not himself write / publish, as

he

> upholds an essentially oral lineage. And, aside from deferring

to the

> various policies of his sponsors, my impression is that

although it

> might sadden him if someone were to misrepresent him, he

generally

> encourages promulgation and especially further development

of ideas

> and interpretations he voices. For instance, I asked him,

recently,

> about my writing an article for publication outlining his theory of

> the 8 Extraordinary channels, as it reflects human

constitutional

> development. My question was whether he would prefer to see

and

> screen any such manuscript, and how to manage citing him as

a source.

> His answer was that I should proceed according to my own

best

> judgement. (My approach will be in fact to make clear that the

ideas

> stem from his lectures, but that my representation is,

necessarily,

> only my interpretation thereof.)

>

>

>

>