Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I am a first year student and my brothers suffer from frequent bouts of canker/cold sores. I haven't read much about it and don't know how to help them. I know there are a lot of factors that can cause them. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Definitely frequent canker sores. Cold sores much less. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Yes, it fits both brothers. One has frequent canker sores, one has frequent cold sores. Both have different lifestyles and diets. I know they have to treat the root cause. I'm working on that part. I was hoping to find them some temporary relief. Thank you for your answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Both canker and cold sores or just one or the other? Kelvin Chinese Medicine , AWAriCon wrote: > > I am a first year student and my brothers suffer from frequent bouts of > canker/cold sores. I haven't read much about it and don't know how to help them. > I know there are a lot of factors that can cause them. Any information will > be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I've suffered with cankers most of my life. They are brought on by stress, poor diet and more stress. The very best treatment I have found for myself is Golden Flower's " Intestinal Fungus Formula " which has a heavy dose of Huang Bai and Huang Lian (cold and bitter). I let the tablets dissolve in my mouth (warning it is VERY bitter!) and hold the liquid in contact with the sores as long as possible. 15 - 20 minutes is normal. The sores feel better within 5 minutes, and have healed completely within 2 days. Normally it takes a week or more for them to heal if left on their own. I have prescribed these herbs to several other patients and they have reported similar results. Canker sores are typically d/t St heat and the GF Intestinal Fungus Formula does a great job at clearing that heat! Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht. Oasis Acupuncture <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com/> http://www.oasisacupuncture.com 8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte Suite D-35 Scottsdale, AZ 85258 Phone: (480) 991-3650 Fax: (480) 247-4472 Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of AWAriCon Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:23 PM Chinese Medicine Herbs/Points for Canker/Cold Sores I am a first year student and my brothers suffer from frequent bouts of canker/cold sores. I haven't read much about it and don't know how to help them. I know there are a lot of factors that can cause them. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Topical xue jie powder or liquid works great for the acute sore. Then likely follow with appropriate formula to treat root problem. _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of AWAriCon Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:23 PM Chinese Medicine Herbs/Points for Canker/Cold Sores I am a first year student and my brothers suffer from frequent bouts of canker/cold sores. I haven't read much about it and don't know how to help them. I know there are a lot of factors that can cause them. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Chris, Not a TCM treatment, but highly effective is baking soda applied directly to the canker. If this is done several times during the day it will help, as well as rinsing with a baking soda solution. Sugar and stress increase the pH levels of your saliva. This can also cause stress cavities, which is why it is good to also rinse with baking soda, as it will neutralize the acid. The real solution is to reduce stress and improve your diet, but this will help. - Mark Quoting " Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. " <ckvedeler: > I've suffered with cankers most of my life. They are brought on by > stress, poor diet and more stress. The very best treatment I have found > for myself is Golden Flower's " Intestinal Fungus Formula " which has a > heavy dose of Huang Bai and Huang Lian (cold and bitter). I let the > tablets dissolve in my mouth (warning it is VERY bitter!) and hold the > liquid in contact with the sores as long as possible. 15 - 20 minutes > is normal. The sores feel better within 5 minutes, and have healed > completely within 2 days. Normally it takes a week or more for them to > heal if left on their own. > > I have prescribed these herbs to several other patients and they have > reported similar results. Canker sores are typically d/t St heat and the > GF Intestinal Fungus Formula does a great job at clearing that heat! > > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht. > Oasis Acupuncture > <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com/> http://www.oasisacupuncture.com > 8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte > Suite D-35 > Scottsdale, AZ 85258 > Phone: (480) 991-3650 > Fax: (480) 247-4472 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Canker sores acute can be from " yang ming organ syndrome " , " heart fire " , " stomach heat " , wind and toxic heat " , etc. Chronic sores are more " heart yin def, with some phlegm " , " liv qi stagnation with some heat " , or even " sp yang def. " There are many topical things to put on them but until you get to the root cause they will just come back Do any of these fit your Brother? Kelvin Chinese Medicine , AWAriCon wrote: > > Definitely frequent canker sores. Cold sores much less. Thank you. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Makes sense Mark, but baking soda never really worked that well with my cankers. I used to have them about every month, but lately I get them only once or twice a year and never as bad as they used to get. One time back in the late 1980's I got sores in my mouth and throat that almost put me in the hospital. They put me on anti-biotics which did nothing. I cured it myself by drinking luke warm black tea (alkaline) and raw eggs. I suspect that they are viral, triggered by stress and diet. My stress is probably higher than it used to be but my diet has improved somewhat. The GF formula really hits the nail on the head for my cankers. When I first start to feel one coming on, I take immediate action with herbs and 9 times out of 10 it nips it in the bud. I think they should rename it a " canker sore " treatment. :-) I suspect the herbs are very alkaline as well. Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht. Oasis Acupuncture <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com/> http://www.oasisacupuncture.com 8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte Suite D-35 Scottsdale, AZ 85258 Phone: (480) 991-3650 Fax: (480) 247-4472 Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of mmilotay Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:58 PM Chinese Medicine RE: Herbs/Points for Canker/Cold Sores Chris, Not a TCM treatment, but highly effective is baking soda applied directly to the canker. If this is done several times during the day it will help, as well as rinsing with a baking soda solution. Sugar and stress increase the pH levels of your saliva. This can also cause stress cavities, which is why it is good to also rinse with baking soda, as it will neutralize the acid. The real solution is to reduce stress and improve your diet, but this will help. - Mark Quoting " Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. " <ckvedeler: > I've suffered with cankers most of my life. They are brought on by > stress, poor diet and more stress. The very best treatment I have found > for myself is Golden Flower's " Intestinal Fungus Formula " which has a > heavy dose of Huang Bai and Huang Lian (cold and bitter). I let the > tablets dissolve in my mouth (warning it is VERY bitter!) and hold the > liquid in contact with the sores as long as possible. 15 - 20 minutes > is normal. The sores feel better within 5 minutes, and have healed > completely within 2 days. Normally it takes a week or more for them to > heal if left on their own. > > I have prescribed these herbs to several other patients and they have > reported similar results. Canker sores are typically d/t St heat and the > GF Intestinal Fungus Formula does a great job at clearing that heat! > > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht. > Oasis Acupuncture > <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com/> http://www.oasisacupuncture.com > 8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte > Suite D-35 > Scottsdale, AZ 85258 > Phone: (480) 991-3650 > Fax: (480) 247-4472 Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Ok then, temporary relief it is. This is for a grey/white canker sore that is not inflamed, without fever, non red, non heat... Wubeizi 5g and Baitang 5g stir fried until brown. Add Ku fan 30g and Pengsha 5g and grind them altogether into powder. Put on canker 4-5times per day. Kelvin Chinese Medicine , AWAriCon wrote: > > Yes, it fits both brothers. One has frequent canker sores, one has frequent > cold sores. Both have different lifestyles and diets. I know they have to > treat the root cause. I'm working on that part. I was hoping to find them some > temporary relief. Thank you for your answers. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Sorry forgot the cold sore brother. Before the blisters break. Take fresh earthworms (Dilong) remove dirt and dry them off. Putthem in bowl with half as muck sugar as worms. Three hours or so later filter out the ooze that apears and add to sore 5 times perday. (there is another with equal parts Xionghuang and Baifan but the earthworm works better.) After blisters break Yu xing cao 500g add to 1.5 liters and decoct half away. Put on cloth and hold to cold sore three times per day for up to half an hour. Kelvin Chinese Medicine , AWAriCon wrote: > > Yes, it fits both brothers. One has frequent canker sores, one has frequent > cold sores. Both have different lifestyles and diets. I know they have to > treat the root cause. I'm working on that part. I was hoping to find them some > temporary relief. Thank you for your answers. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Hi Sean & All, Sean Doherty wrote: > Topical xue jie powder or liquid works great for the acute sore. Then > likely follow with appropriate formula to treat root problem. See other formulas for herpes at: http://content.nhiondemand.com/moh/media/TCMHC1.asp?objID=1009 77 & ctype=tcmhc ne (Liang Xue Jie Du Tang) has xue jie in the name but has a different meaning (Cool Blood & Resolve Toxin Dec): Fu Sai Ping, et al. used Liang Xue Jie Du Tang (a decoction for removing heat from blood and for detoxifying) to treat 35 cases of genital herpes and the total effectiveness rate of this treatment was 97.1%. The formula consisted of Sheng Di (Rehmannia), Mu Dan Pi (Moutan Bark), Chi Shao (Red Peony Root), Zi Cao (Lithosperm), Huang Lian (Coptis), and Jin Yin Hua (Lonicera Flower). Best regards, HOME + WORK: 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) < " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - Chinese Proverb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Phil, Will these also work on genital herpes? Andrea Beth < wrote: Hi Sean & All, Sean Doherty wrote: > Topical xue jie powder or liquid works great for the acute sore. Then > likely follow with appropriate formula to treat root problem. See other formulas for herpes at: http://content.nhiondemand.com/moh/media/TCMHC1.asp?objID=1009 77 & ctype=tcmhc ne (Liang Xue Jie Du Tang) has xue jie in the name but has a different meaning (Cool Blood & Resolve Toxin Dec): Fu Sai Ping, et al. used Liang Xue Jie Du Tang (a decoction for removing heat from blood and for detoxifying) to treat 35 cases of genital herpes and the total effectiveness rate of this treatment was 97.1%. The formula consisted of Sheng Di (Rehmannia), Mu Dan Pi (Moutan Bark), Chi Shao (Red Peony Root), Zi Cao (Lithosperm), Huang Lian (Coptis), and Jin Yin Hua (Lonicera Flower). Best regards, HOME + WORK: 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) < " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - Chinese Proverb Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Hi Phil, Thank you for catching my error. I was thinking about it increasing the acidity of saliva. Yes, you are right both stress and sugar will lower the pH levels of your saliva. - Mark Quoting <: > Hi Mark, & ALl, > > > Not a TCM treatment, but highly effective is baking soda applied > > directly to the canker. If this is done several times during the day it > > will help, as well as rinsing with a baking soda solution. Sugar and > > stress INCREASE the pH levels of your saliva. > > Typo? Did you mean LOWER the pH of saliva? > > > This can also cause stress cavities, which is why it is good to also > > rinse with baking soda, as it will neutralize the acid. The real > > solution is to reduce stress and improve your diet, but this will help. > > - Mark > > > Best regards, > Phil > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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