Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Yes but curious as to which side and what type of problems. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " cameronhollister " <cameronhollister >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > one sided problems >Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:55:47 -0000 > >I have several patients who complain that one side of their body is >more problematic than the other. If anything goes wrong, then it >happens to a particular side. Has anyone else encountered this? > >Peace, >Cameron > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 here are some thoughts more or less off the cuff: * nan ching designates the R side of abdomen as clearly marking LU disharmonies and the L side, LV * when reducing a LU reflex by the japanese meridian therapy style of intervention one stands at R side of body and works out the Trigger vs the Release points * when reducing a LV reflex by the japanese meridian therapy style of intervention one exclusively stands at L side of body and works out the Trigger vs the Release points * when working the Japanese style Immune Reflex one must exclusively stand on R of body and work the R Signal and Release points doing the exact same process on the L very nearly makes the intervention redundant if not unneccessarily intrusive * manaka would often differentiate the findings on the ipsi- or contra lateral sides and would want further differentiation to the R or L * working his extra channel pairs and the infamous cross reflex one was entirely ipsilateral matching the R subcostal stagnation to L ASIS, rarely the other way around * while there are bilateral Warmer vessels, the organ ruling these in solely on the R * while there are bilateral Water vessels, the organ ruling these in solely on the L * in somatosymmetric work, in realigning the scapulopelvic parameters one more often comes across the L scapular 'lift' offset by the R pelvic shift so the patient stands with L shoulder higher coupled with the L hip shifted to match it this could account for cameron's patients having an ipsilateral preponderance dr holmes www.acu-free.com Attilio D'Alberto wrote: > Hi Cameron, > > This I think, is quite normal. Each side of the body reacts quite > differently and therefore acupuncture treatment should reflect this. I > remember being told that in Wind Stroke patients who had facial paralysis to > tonify the good side and reduce the bad for example. > > Warm regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M. M.A.T.C.M. > Editor > Times > 07786 198900 > enquiries > <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of > cameronhollister > 26 January 2006 18:56 > Chinese Medicine > one sided problems > > > I have several patients who complain that one side of their body is > more problematic than the other. If anything goes wrong, then it > happens to a particular side. Has anyone else encountered this? > > Peace, > Cameron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 Yes, often related to dental problems, but sometimes its a gb/liv problem or an akabane problem stephen >> > > > > > > " cameronhollister " <cameronhollister > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > > one sided problems > >Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:55:47 -0000 > > > >I have several patients who complain that one side of their body is > >more problematic than the other. If anything goes wrong, then it > >happens to a particular side. Has anyone else encountered this? > > > >Peace, > >Cameron > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 I would try akabanes. It can be a very powerful treatment. Anne stephenmacallan wrote: > Yes, often related to dental problems, but sometimes its a gb/liv > problem or > an akabane problem > > stephen > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > " cameronhollister " <cameronhollister > > >Chinese Medicine > > >Chinese Medicine > > > one sided problems > > >Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:55:47 -0000 > > > > > >I have several patients who complain that one side of their body is > > >more problematic than the other. If anything goes wrong, then it > > >happens to a particular side. Has anyone else encountered this? > > > > > >Peace, > > >Cameron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > and > adjust > > accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the > group > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > absolutely > > necessary. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 You know that's strange. I also have that problem myself. My problems have been only on the right side of the body. Athlete's foot, warts, now all gone since I have been using acupuncture. I always had bad teeth. by the time I was 12 not a single tooth was unfilled and my first root canal. 75% of those fillings were mercury. by 21, 10% of that mercury was left standing, the rest swallowed. Through my learning in TCM, seems all my problems in health now are somehow attributed to this gum disease and the heavy metals I ingested. I had athlete's foot for 3 years(plus off and on since puberty) on only my right side. 6 warts on my thumb area and a couple on the foot(over the past 20 years). I've gotten rid of the warts with baking soda and hydrogen peroxide, and the athlete's foot was gone with my first treatment of acupuncture(I think it was treatment for spleen) and snake liver oil. I couldn't even kill that athlete's foot with the new 1 week athlete's foot treatment lamisil. The only other thing effective for it was daily hydrogen peroxide plus colloidal silver foot bath. Someone here posted a link to peridontal disease protocol and after I had the treatment with needles, I felt the infection in my tooth go down and there's no more bleeding gums. Just strange that you mentioned one-sided diseases. I wonder if it is sign of a weakness in yin or yang(right or left side of the body infected)? Jaimye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Throughout my life the only problems that I have had that developed chronicity have been left-sided:- Patella pain. Sesamoiditis under head of 1st metatarsal. Pain and muscular/tendinous imbalance around heads of 4th and 5th metacarpals. Weak(er) eye. Spliting of skin at corners of fingers. Colon distention and pain (sigmoid - rather than the other end of the colon). (Oh, just one exception I can think of: a nasty little trigger point to the right of L3 on the back.) Interesting n'est-ce pas? David Chinese Medicine , " cameronhollister " <cameronhollister wrote: > > I have several patients who complain that one side of their body is > more problematic than the other. If anything goes wrong, then it > happens to a particular side. Has anyone else encountered this? > > Peace, > Cameron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 There have been some good responses to my question. I suppose structural balance and the energy/organ/fascia interplay with structure have to be addressed. The balance of meridian energy as measured by Akebana, I know only as a diagnostic tool. I am sure there are treatment protocols out there. Phil has a fun little balance protocol. I am not sure about the dental origin of one sided problems although I enjoyed to link. None of it has the rich emotional satisfaction of a broad self-convinced metaphysical pronouncement. You see, yes, I too am a one sider. My predominance includes traumatic injury as will as structural and energetic complaints. Once I ran across this odd book by Michio Kushi, macrobiotic teacher, who analysed Jimmy Carter's face as reflective of inheritance through mother and father( which side was which I can't remember and its hard to guess as the macrobites reversed yin/yang!) The analysis included strengths and weaknesses on each side and showed a range of photos from boyhood through the end of his presidency and was couched in an open letter of advice and support. Things were often too tidy in the macrobiotic world. Maybe someone could relate this to a Husband/ Wife imbalance? I dunno, Thanks Everybody, Cameron Chinese Medicine , " David Gordon " <junhengclinic wrote: > > Throughout my life the only problems that I have had that developed > chronicity have been left-sided:- > > Patella pain. > Sesamoiditis under head of 1st metatarsal. > Pain and muscular/tendinous imbalance around heads of 4th and 5th > metacarpals. > Weak(er) eye. > Spliting of skin at corners of fingers. > Colon distention and pain (sigmoid - rather than the other end of the > colon). > > (Oh, just one exception I can think of: a nasty little trigger point to > the right of L3 on the back.) > > Interesting n'est-ce pas? > > David > > > Chinese Medicine , " cameronhollister " > <cameronhollister@> wrote: > > > > I have several patients who complain that one side of their body is > > more problematic than the other. If anything goes wrong, then it > > happens to a particular side. Has anyone else encountered this? > > > > Peace, > > Cameron > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 It is all in the yin and yang. From what I have read over the years from a few authors' (Kushi, Aihara, Ohsawa and Collins). By the way, I think that Roy Collins does an excellent job in discussing origin and understanding of yin and yang from what Fu Xi discovered and what it means. it would appear that yin and yang were not totally reversed but observed according to differring phenomena. The modern CM tends to use what is called a " metapysical " approach while the macro camp is using a more physical one. This creates some situations where things seem to make sense and then other times they make no sense to us. I hope this makes some sense. Maybe Zev can share some more light on this. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " cameronhollister " <cameronhollister >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > Re: one sided problems >Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:09:43 -0000 > >There have been some good responses to my question. I >suppose structural balance and the energy/organ/fascia >interplay with structure have to be addressed. The balance of >meridian energy as measured by Akebana, I know only as a >diagnostic tool. I am sure there are treatment protocols out >there. Phil has a fun little balance protocol. I am not sure about >the dental origin of one sided problems although I enjoyed to >link. None of it has the rich emotional satisfaction of a broad >self-convinced metaphysical pronouncement. You see, yes, I >too am a one sider. My predominance includes traumatic injury >as will as structural and energetic complaints. Once I ran >across this odd book by Michio Kushi, macrobiotic teacher, who >analysed Jimmy Carter's face as reflective of inheritance through >mother and father( which side was which I can't remember and >its hard to guess as the macrobites reversed yin/yang!) The >analysis included strengths and weaknesses on each side and >showed a range of photos from boyhood through the end of his >presidency and was couched in an open letter of advice and >support. Things were often too tidy in the macrobiotic world. >Maybe someone could relate this to a Husband/ Wife >imbalance? >I dunno, >Thanks Everybody, >Cameron > > > >Chinese Medicine , " David >Gordon " <junhengclinic wrote: > > > > Throughout my life the only problems that I have had that >developed > > chronicity have been left-sided:- > > > > Patella pain. > > Sesamoiditis under head of 1st metatarsal. > > Pain and muscular/tendinous imbalance around heads of 4th >and 5th > > metacarpals. > > Weak(er) eye. > > Spliting of skin at corners of fingers. > > Colon distention and pain (sigmoid - rather than the other end >of the > > colon). > > > > (Oh, just one exception I can think of: a nasty little trigger point >to > > the right of L3 on the back.) > > > > Interesting n'est-ce pas? > > > > David > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , > " cameronhollister " > > <cameronhollister@> wrote: > > > > > > I have several patients who complain that one side of their >body is > > > more problematic than the other. If anything goes wrong, >then it > > > happens to a particular side. Has anyone else encountered >this? > > > > > > Peace, > > > Cameron > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Some people call this " Ohsawa's folly " . Since I studied and taught macrobiotics for ten years before my career in Chinese medicine, I had to deal with the issue of differing yin and yang, first challenged for me by Nakazono Sensei, who also studied with Ohsawa. Apparently Ohsawa felt that Westerners were too materialistic to understand a heavenly yang and earthly yin, so he reversed them. Unfortunately, he kept male as yang, day as yang, heat as yang, and cold as yin, female as yin, night as yin. So this created great confusion, and separated macrobiotic teachings from the great lineage of yin/yang going back to the Yi Jing. This may be one reason why the macrobiotic movement has shrunk quite a bit since its heyday in the 60's and 70's. I still think it is the most sensible approach to diet, if not followed too strictly, and still practice macrobiotic diet from my teenage years until now. On Feb 4, 2006, at 12:28 PM, mike Bowser wrote: > > it would appear that yin and yang were not totally reversed but > observed > according to differring phenomena. The modern CM tends to use what is > called a " metapysical " approach while the macro camp is using a more > physical one. This creates some situations where things seem to > make sense > and then other times they make no sense to us. I hope this makes some > sense. Maybe Zev can share some more light on this. > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Zev, I agree with you that it might be the most sensible approach to diet (and studied by some for various illnesses, like cancer) but would challenge that fewer people are taking time to prepare their own meals let alone chewing their food. This might be the single largest stumbling block to healthcare that we need to educate our patients and society about. You might check out the text, " Fire Over Heaven " by Roy Collins, who spells out some very interesting data that would suggest that Ohsawa was merely stating what many others before him have made mention to. As we all know, CM was not a consentual set of ideas and there are many contradictions as well. Later Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " " <zrosenbe >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Re: one sided problems >Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:20:19 -0800 > >Some people call this " Ohsawa's folly " . Since I studied and taught >macrobiotics for ten years before my career in Chinese medicine, I >had to deal with the issue of differing yin and yang, first >challenged for me by Nakazono Sensei, who also studied with Ohsawa. >Apparently Ohsawa felt that Westerners were too materialistic to >understand a heavenly yang and earthly yin, so he reversed them. >Unfortunately, he kept male as yang, day as yang, heat as yang, and >cold as yin, female as yin, night as yin. So this created great >confusion, and separated macrobiotic teachings from the great lineage >of yin/yang going back to the Yi Jing. This may be one reason why >the macrobiotic movement has shrunk quite a bit since its heyday in >the 60's and 70's. I still think it is the most sensible approach to >diet, if not followed too strictly, and still practice macrobiotic >diet from my teenage years until now. > > >On Feb 4, 2006, at 12:28 PM, mike Bowser wrote: > > > > > it would appear that yin and yang were not totally reversed but > > observed > > according to differring phenomena. The modern CM tends to use what is > > called a " metapysical " approach while the macro camp is using a more > > physical one. This creates some situations where things seem to > > make sense > > and then other times they make no sense to us. I hope this makes some > > sense. Maybe Zev can share some more light on this. > > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Occaisionally the problem is due to inherited or genetic defect with the patient. --\ -- cameronhollister <cameronhollister wrote: There have been some good responses to my question. I suppose structural balance and the energy/organ/fascia interplay with structure have to be addressed. The balance of meridian energy as measured by Akebana, I know only as a diagnostic tool. I am sure there are treatment protocols out there. Phil has a fun little balance protocol. I am not sure about the dental origin of one sided problems although I enjoyed to link. None of it has the rich emotional satisfaction of a broad self-convinced metaphysical pronouncement. You see, yes, I too am a one sider. My predominance includes traumatic injury as will as structural and energetic complaints. Once I ran across this odd book by Michio Kushi, macrobiotic teacher, who analysed Jimmy Carter's face as reflective of inheritance through mother and father( which side was which I can't remember and its hard to guess as the macrobites reversed yin/yang!) The analysis included strengths and weaknesses on each side and showed a range of photos from boyhood through the end of his presidency and was couched in an open letter of advice and support. Things were often too tidy in the macrobiotic world. Maybe someone could relate this to a Husband/ Wife imbalance? I dunno, Thanks Everybody, Cameron Chinese Medicine , " David Gordon " <junhengclinic wrote: > > Throughout my life the only problems that I have had that developed > chronicity have been left-sided:- > > Patella pain. > Sesamoiditis under head of 1st metatarsal. > Pain and muscular/tendinous imbalance around heads of 4th and 5th > metacarpals. > Weak(er) eye. > Spliting of skin at corners of fingers. > Colon distention and pain (sigmoid - rather than the other end of the > colon). > > (Oh, just one exception I can think of: a nasty little trigger point to > the right of L3 on the back.) > > Interesting n'est-ce pas? > > David > > > Chinese Medicine , " cameronhollister " > <cameronhollister@> wrote: > > > > I have several patients who complain that one side of their body is > > more problematic than the other. If anything goes wrong, then it > > happens to a particular side. Has anyone else encountered this? > > > > Peace, > > Cameron > > Relax. Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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