Needling through Stockings/Alcohol wipes

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Since alcohol does not disinfect, if you have reason to believe the

patient could not fight off an infection (immunocompromised) the

correct procedure for sterilization would be to use iodine to cleanse

and leave it on long enough to disinfect. Not a likely scenario...

It would probably be better to just do acupressure, moxa, and magnets,

just in case. I haven't encountered this yet myself, but I would

proably disinfect and needle St 36 and work with moxa/acupressure on

other sites.

Gabrielle

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Chinese Medicine ,

" gabriellemathieu " <gabriellemathieu> wrote:

>

> Since alcohol does not disinfect, if you have reason to believe the

> patient could not fight off an infection (immunocompromised) the

> correct procedure for sterilization would be to use iodine to cleanse

> and leave it on long enough to disinfect. Not a likely scenario...

> It would probably be better to just do acupressure, moxa, and magnets,

> just in case. I haven't encountered this yet myself, but I would

> proably disinfect and needle St 36 and work with moxa/acupressure on

> other sites.

> Gabrielle

>

I have had a patient that developed an infection after needling. Her

immune system was not strong (suffering from CFS) and she was feeling

especially tired that day. A boil developed and it lasted for one week

(on Guanyuan CV4). She was worried by it and called me to ask me what

to do. I told her that if the infection did not go away and if she

would develop a fever she had to go see a doctor and take antibiotics.

Luckily it went away by itself, although you could still see the spot

even after 3 weeks.

Also bear in mind the article I posted to the group about one week ago

(the one about infections developing after acupuncture in a Korean

clinic). Infections are not without danger and we should remember

that. I also searched the web for more information regarding

disinfection, but besides the article on medicalacupuncture there was

not much to be found on the topic. In Western medicine, it seems

opinions are divided.

btw, I have seen doctors needle through clothes in China, but only old

doctors. Never saw a younger doctor do that. And most people go to see

older doctors though, younger doctors have troubles finding jobs- most

often they end up in a small clinic 100 kms from the city centre.

 

Tom.

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As CFS can be related to an immune reaction to silicon have you considered

non-silicon coated needles (such as Acuglides)? Seirin published a few

years ago a case of a woman who had several allergic reactions to

acupuncture and hypo needles (also silicon coated) and when the areas were

biopsied they found traces of wbc along with silicon. This is not readily

know or discussed but rejection of other silicon implants has been a big

contributor to autoimune problems.

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

 

 

 

> " Tom Verhaeghe " <verhaeghe_tom

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine

> Re: Needling through Stockings/Alcohol wipes

>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:15:44 -0000

>

>Chinese Medicine ,

> " gabriellemathieu " <gabriellemathieu> wrote:

> >

> > Since alcohol does not disinfect, if you have reason to believe the

> > patient could not fight off an infection (immunocompromised) the

> > correct procedure for sterilization would be to use iodine to cleanse

> > and leave it on long enough to disinfect. Not a likely scenario...

> > It would probably be better to just do acupressure, moxa, and magnets,

> > just in case. I haven't encountered this yet myself, but I would

> > proably disinfect and needle St 36 and work with moxa/acupressure on

> > other sites.

> > Gabrielle

> >

>I have had a patient that developed an infection after needling. Her

>immune system was not strong (suffering from CFS) and she was feeling

>especially tired that day. A boil developed and it lasted for one week

>(on Guanyuan CV4). She was worried by it and called me to ask me what

>to do. I told her that if the infection did not go away and if she

>would develop a fever she had to go see a doctor and take antibiotics.

>Luckily it went away by itself, although you could still see the spot

>even after 3 weeks.

>Also bear in mind the article I posted to the group about one week ago

>(the one about infections developing after acupuncture in a Korean

>clinic). Infections are not without danger and we should remember

>that. I also searched the web for more information regarding

>disinfection, but besides the article on medicalacupuncture there was

>not much to be found on the topic. In Western medicine, it seems

>opinions are divided.

>btw, I have seen doctors needle through clothes in China, but only old

>doctors. Never saw a younger doctor do that. And most people go to see

>older doctors though, younger doctors have troubles finding jobs- most

>often they end up in a small clinic 100 kms from the city centre.

>

>Tom.

>

>

>

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mike Bowser

01/26/06 00:05:25

Chinese Medicine

RE: Re: Needling through Stockings/Alcohol wipes

 

As CFS can be related to an immune reaction to silicon have you considered

non-silicon coated needles (such as Acuglides)? Seirin published a few

years ago a case of a woman who had several allergic reactions to

acupuncture and hypo needles (also silicon coated) and when the areas were

biopsied they found traces of wbc along with silicon. This is not readily

know or discussed but rejection of other silicon implants has been a big

contributor to autoimune problems.

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

>>>I never use Silicon-coated needles because of the possibility of a

reaction. I don't know why the Seirin needles are regarded as the best. It

seems not many people in Europe use them (they're also very expensive), as

opposed to in the US? I once went to a demonstration and the salesperson who

should have been trying to sell Seirin needles excused himself several times

for the fact that his needles had a silicon coating.

Tom.