Re:: Needling through stockings / alcohol wipe

[Guest guest]

Hi All, Twyla & Alon,

 

Twyla wrote:

> Alon: Could you please explain further... " ....swiping with alcohol

> does nothing, just another ritual " ....

 

Alon replied:

> In order for alcohol to disinfect it must be in place for over two

> minutes. So the kind of swiping we do does nothing but move the

germs around

 

I agree with Alon. Even if it COULD sterilise the superficial (surface

epithelial) layer of the skin, alcohol wipes probably have no effect on the

staphs, streps, etc deep in the sweat / sebacious glands.

 

IMO, the ritual alcohol wipe is a public relations exercise only, and it is

irrelevant in 99% of cases.

 

HOWEVER, if an acupuncturist is unlucky enough to have a patient

who develops sepsis or septicaemia after acupuncture, damning

questions that lawyers will ask will be: " DId the acupuncturist use

aseptic methods, and did he/she use single-use needles straight from a

sterile pack?

 

That said, use alcohol wipes only on children and very fussy adults.

Touch wood, in >30 years of using acupuncture in humans, I have not

had one case of serious infection due to needling.

 

I use disposable ( " single-use " ) needles only, and do NOT attempt to

sterilise needles for re-use in humans.

 

Best regards,

 

HOME + WORK: 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0)

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" Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " -

Chinese Proverb

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Phil,in the last 35 years av using acupuncture I never had

one case av infection due to needling .28 years i used sterilised needels(

for re-use ). Only the last 7 years i use single-use needles.

There has bin sometimes an alergic reaction, but this lasts only some hours

to disappear.

Regardes

Heinz Peter

 

 

 

 

CENTRO DE MEDICINA ORIENTAL

Acupunctura-Shiatsu-Adipolise-TCM

Dr.H.Peter Nussbaumer

351-269827272,+351-967044284

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01/24/06 01:54:12

Chinese Medicine

Re:: Needling through stockings / alcohol wipe

 

Hi All, Twyla & Alon,

 

Twyla wrote:

> Alon: Could you please explain further... " ....swiping with alcohol

> does nothing, just another ritual " ....

 

Alon replied:

> In order for alcohol to disinfect it must be in place for over two

> minutes. So the kind of swiping we do does nothing but move the

germs around

 

I agree with Alon. Even if it COULD sterilise the superficial (surface

epithelial) layer of the skin, alcohol wipes probably have no effect on the

staphs, streps, etc deep in the sweat / sebacious glands.

 

IMO, the ritual alcohol wipe is a public relations exercise only, and it is

irrelevant in 99% of cases.

 

HOWEVER, if an acupuncturist is unlucky enough to have a patient

who develops sepsis or septicaemia after acupuncture, damning

questions that lawyers will ask will be: " DId the acupuncturist use

aseptic methods, and did he/she use single-use needles straight from a

sterile pack?

 

That said, use alcohol wipes only on children and very fussy adults.

Touch wood, in >30 years of using acupuncture in humans, I have not

had one case of serious infection due to needling.

 

I use disposable ( " single-use " ) needles only, and do NOT attempt to

sterilise needles for re-use in humans.

 

Best regards,

 

HOME + WORK: 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0)

<

 

 

 

" Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " -

Chinese Proverb