Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Hi Rachel Now that you have got everybody on this list thinking about the professional TCM situation in the USA, what would you like to happen next? Would you like to hear how things are being done in other countries so that you might utilise some of their experience or do you have some other plans. I am happy to describe how we are trying to approach some of the same issues in the UK, but if you really do want to make a difference, rather than just take up airspace, tell us what your strategy is please. Kind regards Susie Parkinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 I'm sure you are not interested in my strategy, since it would only apply to the U.S. I sincerely do not wish to " bore " any more people. Also, I thank you for your offer to help, however, we have a private payer medical environment, dominated by insurers, while you are in a country with National Health. The legal issues (and politicians) are totally different. If I try to go to legislators and explain how things are in a " National Health " country, like the UK or Canada, they will throw me out of their offices. They have already decided that socialized medicine is a bad, bad thing. I completely disagree with them, but there are forces working in this country (the U.S.) which continue to guarantee that socialized medicine, with universal access to care, will never be a reality here. We would have to engage in armed revolt in order to change the U.S. government into an organization who would have any interest in what you have to say. I for one do not promote the concept of armed liberation under any circumstances, even if it will result in such benefits as universal health care. While it would be very interesting to me, our goverment, and the other people on the listserv, know what is best for TCM in this country, and they will not wish to be " bored " with what you have to say. And if I ask you to reply with your remarks, the other members of the listserv will simply blame ME for causing them to be " bored " . Sorry again, Suzie. I value what other people have to say, if it is based on knowledge and experience, not just wishful thinking. I believe that we in the U.S. need to learn from everyone else that we can. Maybe we can hook up on another listserv where these issues are valued and people would like to work together in order to collective form an action plan for the problems in the U.S.. It's no good if I create something and dictate it to everyone else. I have legal experience, but not the more highly valued knowledge of many seasoned TCM practitioners. We need lots of highly motivated students and practitioners who are not afraid to address this issue, and who are willing to work together. Unfortuately, it seems that there are few if any such persons willing to work on issues that don't involve TCM theory or needling. Thanks again, Rachel Chinese Medicine , " Susie Parkinson " <susie@p...> wrote: > > Hi Rachel > > Now that you have got everybody on this list thinking about the professional > TCM situation in the USA, what would you like to happen next? Would you > like to hear how things are being done in other countries so that you might > utilise some of their experience or do you have some other plans. I am > happy to describe how we are trying to approach some of the same issues in > the UK, but if you really do want to make a difference, rather than just > take up airspace, tell us what your strategy is please. > > Kind regards > Susie Parkinson > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Rachel I don't play games, I am interested in your strategy, so just answer the question please. We too have a private payer medical environment where acupuncture is concerned. There are many similarities between our two environments in regard to accreditation, education, medics holding the power, regulation, insurance to name but a few. You know so little about the rest of the world - what a pity. Let me reiterate that this list has international membership, so either make your message inclusive or start a list with your issue for USA members. Just as an aside, have you ever represented anyone in court? You don't seem able to argue your case without being insulting. Do you have any other style? Susie PS question for everyone, what is the veterinary acupuncture position in the USA. Can L.Ac's practice in that arena? > Message: 11 > Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:26:19 -0000 > " goldenlotuspublishing " <goldenlotuspublishing > Re: Rachel's rant! > > I'm sure you are not interested in my strategy, since it would only > apply to the U.S. I sincerely do not wish to " bore " any more people. > > Also, I thank you for your offer to help, however, we have a private > payer medical environment, dominated by insurers, while you are in a > country with National Health. The legal issues (and politicians) > are totally different. If I try to go to legislators and explain > how things are in a " National Health " country, like the UK or > Canada, they will throw me out of their offices. They have already > decided that socialized medicine is a bad, bad thing. I completely > disagree with them, but there are forces working in this country > (the U.S.) which continue to guarantee that socialized medicine, > with universal access to care, will never be a reality here. We > would have to engage in armed revolt in order to change the U.S. > government into an organization who would have any interest in what > you have to say. I for one do not promote the concept of armed > liberation under any circumstances, even if it will result in such > benefits as universal health care. > > While it would be very interesting to me, our goverment, and the > other people on the listserv, know what is best for TCM in this > country, and they will not wish to be " bored " with what you have to > say. And if I ask you to reply with your remarks, the other members > of the listserv will simply blame ME for causing them to be " bored " . > > Sorry again, Suzie. I value what other people have to say, if it is > based on knowledge and experience, not just wishful thinking. I > believe that we in the U.S. need to learn from everyone else that we > can. Maybe we can hook up on another listserv where these issues > are valued and people would like to work together in order to > collective form an action plan for the problems in the U.S.. It's no > good if I create something and dictate it to everyone else. I have > legal experience, but not the more highly valued knowledge of many > seasoned TCM practitioners. We need lots of highly motivated > students and practitioners who are not afraid to address this issue, > and who are willing to work together. Unfortuately, it seems that > there are few if any such persons willing to work on issues that > don't involve TCM theory or needling. > > Thanks again, > > Rachel > > > Chinese Medicine , " Susie > Parkinson " <susie@p...> wrote: > > > > Hi Rachel > > > > Now that you have got everybody on this list thinking about the > professional > > TCM situation in the USA, what would you like to happen next? > Would you > > like to hear how things are being done in other countries so that > you might > > utilise some of their experience or do you have some other plans. > I am > > happy to describe how we are trying to approach some of the same > issues in > > the UK, but if you really do want to make a difference, rather > than just > > take up airspace, tell us what your strategy is please. > > > > Kind regards > > Susie Parkinson > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 My list serve went down for a day and I returned to 138 messages. Most were highly negative and insulting. I have a huge headache and my pericardium channel feels " attacked. " Wow, can you imagine the negative energy this conversation can have on people. I had to start deleting the most negative ones before I read them. It is okay to " examine " the profession. What they would say in my school is " Does this question serve? " , " Is it a teaching story? " If not, save it for yourself. I would say that negative attacks do not serve anyone. We are suppose to be health care professionals. Let's promote health, not negative attacks. It is unbelievable that people with such great knowledge and training are being attacked or forced off the list. I have truly learned from the knowledgeable and professional people on this group. I don't feel they should be attacked or worst of all leave. Where is the moderator? Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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