Subject: Digest Number 1257 Needling through stockings

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We've already discussed how things are perhaps more casual in the

warm states. Ok, ok, go naked if you need to :-) It's not the most

important issue affecting the profession. No one said it was.

 

I'm well aware that needling was done through stockings in ancient

times. However, wouldn't you also agree that there was no Board of

Medical Practices in those days, to determine that the cause of a

super infection was the fact that the practitioner needled through

stockings? And even if the patient died or lost a leg, the doctor

would not be disciplined, retrained or anything else that further

diminishes the profession in the U.S.? Again, we're talking the US,

not China, today, not thousands of years ago, and we're practicing

under a Board of Medical Practices run by M.D.s, who read the CNT

book and say " Zowey! He wasn't supposed to needle through garments "

(but they already knew that), not " yes, but in China there is a

tradition of needling through garments in the cold weather, so it's

ok in this case " . The incident which I described occured in

Minnesota, where it is far colder than in most parts of China. If

the M.D.s reviewing the case thought that keeping the patient warm

was more important than basic CNT, wouldn't they have said that?

Why then did the discipline the practitioner and force him to

be " retrained " ? Because CNT trumps cold, especially in a culture

that has adequate central heating, like ours.

 

Regional acreditation doesn't seem important to the people

responding, Alon. Most don't even understand what it means to them,

to the schools, or to the future of the profession. They think

it's " boring " to discuss it. Just not " sexy " like herbs, point

injections, etc. I agree. But it's still necessary.

 

Best Regards,

 

Rachel

 

Thanks for your comments, Alon, they are interesting.

 

Chinese Medicine , " Alon Marcus

DOM " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

>

> Just asked my wife, the chief of OBGYN at northern CA large HMO

about dress code. She says less than 50% of male Dr wear a tie to

clinic but most still wear a coat, mostly for the name tag. I guess

we in the west are not as formal. I have worked and taught in WM

circles for over 10 years and have seen some very casual

practitioners and it never impaired their practices or academic

standing. I do have to support Rachel however regarding regional

accreditation. That is the only hope for the future of this

profession if we are to achieve any real standing.

> As an aside, needling through clothing was done all the time in

China during winter cold months.

>

>

>

>

>

> Oakland, CA 94609

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> goldenlotuspublishing

> Chinese Medicine

> Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:56 PM

> Re: Digest Number 1257 Lab Coats

>

>

> I agree that home laundering is perhaps not as good as

professional

> laundering (if I launder something in hot water and bleach, how

is

> that *inferior* to professional cleaning? Just curious). But it

is

> still better than wandering around all day with pathogenic

schmutz

> on your street clothes.

>

> I've worked with western medical facilities in one way or

another

> since 1976. My husband teaches in a medical school and I visit

there

> all of the time. I go to a HMO clinic for yearly ladies exams

and

> other necessary evils. I go to the orthodontist for monthly

> torture, er, dental alignment. But NONE of them wear

*disposable*

> lab coats! Where are you practicing that " everyone " wears

> disposable lab coats? I'd like to investigate this further. I

bet

> they look extremely cheezy. Like the guys at the meat packing

> plant :-) That's sure the mental image I'd like to leave with my

> patients :-) .

>

> And I bet you look really professional in whatever you wear,

too!

> (You do wear clothing, right? Disposable?? :-) )

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Rachel H. Peterman, M.S., J.D.

> " The Coco Chanel of TCM "

>

>

> Chinese Medicine , Five

Elements

> <gabriellemathieu> wrote:

> >

> > Rachel,

> >

> > ok, good points. But home laundering is not sufficient to

> > disinfect lab coats, if we're talking OSHA. Therefore,

> > laundered and pressed is really not the issue. Most Western

> > med clinics have gone to disposable lab coats, made out of

> > some wierd synthetic (non-absorbable) material. Only the

> > docs sometimes show in freshly pressed lab coats,if they

> > wear coats.

> > I'm sure you look very professional in your coat though.

> > Gabrielle

> >

> >

> >

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Rachel

By the way needling through clothing was done in the 80s when i was in china. I

do not know if it changed.

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

-

goldenlotuspublishing

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:05 PM

Re: Digest Number 1257 Needling through stockings

 

 

We've already discussed how things are perhaps more casual in the

warm states. Ok, ok, go naked if you need to :-) It's not the most

important issue affecting the profession. No one said it was.

 

I'm well aware that needling was done through stockings in ancient

times. However, wouldn't you also agree that there was no Board of

Medical Practices in those days, to determine that the cause of a

super infection was the fact that the practitioner needled through

stockings? And even if the patient died or lost a leg, the doctor

would not be disciplined, retrained or anything else that further

diminishes the profession in the U.S.? Again, we're talking the US,

not China, today, not thousands of years ago, and we're practicing

under a Board of Medical Practices run by M.D.s, who read the CNT

book and say " Zowey! He wasn't supposed to needle through garments "

(but they already knew that), not " yes, but in China there is a

tradition of needling through garments in the cold weather, so it's

ok in this case " . The incident which I described occured in

Minnesota, where it is far colder than in most parts of China. If

the M.D.s reviewing the case thought that keeping the patient warm

was more important than basic CNT, wouldn't they have said that?

Why then did the discipline the practitioner and force him to

be " retrained " ? Because CNT trumps cold, especially in a culture

that has adequate central heating, like ours.

 

Regional acreditation doesn't seem important to the people

responding, Alon. Most don't even understand what it means to them,

to the schools, or to the future of the profession. They think

it's " boring " to discuss it. Just not " sexy " like herbs, point

injections, etc. I agree. But it's still necessary.

 

Best Regards,

 

Rachel

 

Thanks for your comments, Alon, they are interesting.

 

Chinese Medicine , " Alon Marcus

DOM " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

>

> Just asked my wife, the chief of OBGYN at northern CA large HMO

about dress code. She says less than 50% of male Dr wear a tie to

clinic but most still wear a coat, mostly for the name tag. I guess

we in the west are not as formal. I have worked and taught in WM

circles for over 10 years and have seen some very casual

practitioners and it never impaired their practices or academic

standing. I do have to support Rachel however regarding regional

accreditation. That is the only hope for the future of this

profession if we are to achieve any real standing.

> As an aside, needling through clothing was done all the time in

China during winter cold months.

>

>

>

>

>

> Oakland, CA 94609

>

>

> -

> goldenlotuspublishing

> Chinese Medicine

> Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:56 PM

> Re: Digest Number 1257 Lab Coats

>

>

> I agree that home laundering is perhaps not as good as

professional

> laundering (if I launder something in hot water and bleach, how

is

> that *inferior* to professional cleaning? Just curious). But it

is

> still better than wandering around all day with pathogenic

schmutz

> on your street clothes.

>

> I've worked with western medical facilities in one way or

another

> since 1976. My husband teaches in a medical school and I visit

there

> all of the time. I go to a HMO clinic for yearly ladies exams

and

> other necessary evils. I go to the orthodontist for monthly

> torture, er, dental alignment. But NONE of them wear

*disposable*

> lab coats! Where are you practicing that " everyone " wears

> disposable lab coats? I'd like to investigate this further. I

bet

> they look extremely cheezy. Like the guys at the meat packing

> plant :-) That's sure the mental image I'd like to leave with my

> patients :-) .

>

> And I bet you look really professional in whatever you wear,

too!

> (You do wear clothing, right? Disposable?? :-) )

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Rachel H. Peterman, M.S., J.D.

> " The Coco Chanel of TCM "

>

>

> Chinese Medicine , Five

Elements

> <gabriellemathieu> wrote:

> >

> > Rachel,

> >

> > ok, good points. But home laundering is not sufficient to

> > disinfect lab coats, if we're talking OSHA. Therefore,

> > laundered and pressed is really not the issue. Most Western

> > med clinics have gone to disposable lab coats, made out of

> > some wierd synthetic (non-absorbable) material. Only the

> > docs sometimes show in freshly pressed lab coats,if they

> > wear coats.

> > I'm sure you look very professional in your coat though.

> > Gabrielle

> >

> >

> >

> > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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