Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Personally, I find this discussion to be both enlightening and thought-provoking. I'm afraid that I too have little patience with those in both chiropractic and acupuncture who engage in cultism and magical thinking.....and there are plenty of them. However abrasive you may find Counselor Peterman's tone and her remarks, consider the truth contained therein. If we want to raise this wonderful profession beyond its current marginalized status. we cannot be afraid of self-examination. Kay King, DC, FIAMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Thank you very much for your remarks, Kay. Please call me Rachel. I believe that it would be very arrogant, insecure, and " hiding behind a title " for me to ever allow anyone to call my by any formal title. If I ever earn an OMD, everyone will still call me Rachel. Just like my students do. I should have expected such intelligent, pragmatic remarks from a DC. I've attempted to explain, in posts which were censored as being " critical of western medicine " , that TCM professionals should carefully study and learn from the history of chiropractic here in the United States. Chiropractors were once called all of the names that I previously related, and more. They were considered marginal practitioners by many, and the survival and growth of the profession was anything but easy. No good things came to chiropractic by sitting back and dreaming that " everything will work out to be nifty keen if we just sit back and do nothing " . DC's didn't have the right to practice independently handed to them on a silver platter. They didn't earn the right to be called a doctor of chiropractic medicine by avoiding the health sciences because " the courses are so hard that we won't make the cut " into school. They educated themselves, continued to increase the academic requirements by adding science courses, developed effective, professional business organizations on the state and federal level, and made sure that the legislators understood things in a manner favorable to the profession. But it wasn't effortless, and it wasn't cheap, either. TCM practitioners can either learn from this experience, or continue to be further marginalized as they cling to their cult-like thinking, sit back, and do nothing. I really wish that I could say nice warm cozy things about our future. However, in the last two days I've had one individual cut and paste words from my posts and arrange them out of context in order to try to mislead other readers. I had another individual make blatently false claims, in posts, that my degrees are from diploma mills. He must know that his claims are false, but he did it anyway. I had a very nice, intelligent person inform me that we shouldn't worry about OSHA (and presumably, HIPAA and other laws intended to protect the public) " because the R's don't enforce that law too much because they think it's too hard on businesses " . (as if I, a licensed attorney for over a decade, didn't understand the regulatory climate regarding OSHA!) No talk about professional responsiblility in absence of close governmental scrutiny. What kind of ethical standards is that to even suggest on a listserv read by people who don't take the time to go read the laws that govern their profession themselves? I'm so disgusted with what I've seen in the last two days that I'm beginning to doubt that TCM has any real future in the U.S. It will be brought down by the cultists who never arm themselves with the truth, or facts, but with dreams and self-deception. Many people on this listserv seemed to indicate that they think it is ok to libel (slander someone in writing) a TCM student and licensed health care professional by making false claims about my other credentials. Some others indicated that they thought it was ok to cut and paste my words and place them out of context in an intentionally deceptive fashion. However, almost all agreed that anyone who does not fully accept their cult-like, dreamy " TCM-ART Religion " is a heratic who deserves to be cast out. Based on my experiences, my husband and I have come to a sad conclusion regarding the " Gross Human Anatomy for Acupuncture " course that I will be arranging at the medical school next week. And this decision was largely based on a posted comment by one " dr holm " who made glib comments about TCM practitioners " ripping the gluteals of a cadaver " . I showedd the mysterious " dr " holm's words to my husband, who, based on almost thirty years of working with the anatomy department, said, " we don't dare let these people near an anatomical specimen " . Why? Because " dr " holm's remarks indicate a disrespect for the dead human bodies that are the " cadavers " he so glibbly talked about mutilating. In this state, if TCM practitioners, or anyone else, mutilates a corpse by " ripping out its gluteals " it represents a criminal act (as it does in many other states). " Mutilation of a Corpse " is a disgusting, unprofessional, and consumately unethical act, as well as a crime that can place you in jail. No licensed TCM professional should ever make such remarks in a public forum! If we allowed people like this into a gross human anatomy course, and they engaged in this kind of mutilation, TCM practitioners would never be allowed anywhere near an anatomical specimen again. At least not in this part of the United States. Therefore, we will have to limit the course to TCM professionals within the state of Minnesota, and not invite folks from the listserv group to attend. That way the conduct of these individuals can be more carefully controlled. How tragic! What a lost opportunity for so many people.... Kay, it's so wonderful to hear from you, but there are too few clear minded individuals such as yourself interested in preserving and developing TCM. Anything we say is probably a total waste of time. According to the predominant mindset, " magical thinking " will " save " TCM, and they just won't consider any other, more practical, rational, and enlightened possibilities. Good luck to you in your career Kay. I know that you will do well. Email me offline anytime you choose. Perhaps we can find people who are seriously interested in preserving and growing TCM in a different cross-section of TCM " professionals " . Best Regards, Rachel H. Peterman Chinese Medicine , Kay King <spy9doc> wrote: > > Personally, I find this discussion to be both > enlightening and thought-provoking. I'm afraid that I > too have little patience with those in both > chiropractic and acupuncture who engage in cultism and > magical thinking.....and there are plenty of them. > > However abrasive you may find Counselor Peterman's > tone and her remarks, consider the truth contained > therein. If we want to raise this wonderful profession > beyond its current marginalized status. we cannot be > afraid of self-examination. > > Kay King, DC, FIAMA > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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