Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 <<To be honest, the Chiropractors with 100 hours of training are already doing a fairly good job of that>> This is the kind if elitest attitude among many acupuncturists whom I've met that I personally find offensive. I don't think it serves any of us to make gross generalizations. I wonder just how many chiropractors (who also do acupuncture)that you personally know? There are many of us out here who have far more than the basic 100 hours required by some states and do who quite a creditable job, especially with musculoskeletal conditions. Something truly scary is just how little anatomy training many LAcs have had. I have assisted in classes where a physical-medicine type of acupuncture is taught which employs deep needling into myofascial structures. Roughly 80% of the class couldn't find the muscles without help. And, yes, there were a couple of MDs who fumbled around as well. Personally, I think the highest goal for all of us should be to continue learning, to learn to think outside the box, and to continue to improve our skills. And, yes, I " walk the walk " ....I'm well into a formal, accredited acupuncture program. Kay King, DC, FIAMA, FCAMI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I'm sorry I missed that quote. I just want to say I vehemently disagree, having in the past experience in the profession that confirms the exact opposite. On Jan 19, 2006, at 5:46 PM, Kay King wrote: > <<To be honest, the Chiropractors with 100 hours of > training are already doing a fairly good job of that>> > > This is the kind if elitest attitude among many > acupuncturists whom I've met that I personally find > offensive. I don't think it serves any of us to make > gross generalizations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Rachel, I couldn't agree more. Those that practice acupuncture after just 100 hours of training are totally unethical and should not be allowed to practice. Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M. M.A.T.C.M. Editor Times 07786 198900 enquiries <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of goldenlotuspublishing 22 January 2006 04:42 Chinese Medicine Re: Training & competency I love to ask physicians if, since I've studied about 100 hours of psychiatry, I am now competent to hang out my shingle and practice? None of them have indicated that they think I'm ready to start :-) Why, then, would ANYONE think that 100 hours of training in any medical discipline is enough? Must be massive egos or something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Thanks, Christopher. You took my comments in the spirit in which they were meant. I'm sure that your frame of reference is tainted by the fact that AZ has some pretty liberal scope-of-practice laws with regard to acupuncture. I'm just wondering what the requirements are for an MD there? And, as a footnote, a DC in CT can say that s/he does acupuncture, but cannot call themselves an " acupuncturist " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Unethical? They are *licensed* to do so. Our legislators, in their great wisdom, enacted laws that made this so. And acupuncturists sat back, doing nothing, hoping that magical thinking would make this problem go away. And when it didn't they were shocked, and now, sit around and complain on listservs about it, when they *could* have been lending financial and intellectual support to state and national TCM associations, who could have acted to nip this sort of legislation in the bud. We have only ourselves to blame (well, not *me* per se; these 100 hour schemes were enacted long before I started studying TCM) for this sad state of affairs, and encroaching or overreaching legislation is far from over. I don't know if you are working in Europe or where, Attilio, I see you have UK in your email address but I'm not sure that means anything re geography or not. Here in the United States, groups (I won't mention who) are agitating for further legislation that will put TCM practioners under the supervision of an M.D. in some states, and D.C.s in other states! Do you realize what that could mean? No more independent practice in the U.S. That statement isn't meant to dis western medicine, I just don't want to practice TCM under anyone's supervision, even my mothers :-) If you don't think this can happen, just remember that no one thought these 100 hour schemes would be approved by legislatures, either. I'm sorry, I know that these facts disturb the other readers, but they are true. Ignoring them won't make it go away. Forces have been slowly eroding the practice base for TCM practitioners for years. Left unchecked, this situation will blossom into disaster for TCM.... Rachel Chinese Medicine , " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > Rachel, > > I couldn't agree more. Those that practice acupuncture after just 100 hours > of training are totally unethical and should not be allowed to practice. > > Warm regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M. M.A.T.C.M. > Editor > Times > 07786 198900 > enquiries@c... > <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of > goldenlotuspublishing > 22 January 2006 04:42 > Chinese Medicine > Re: Training & competency > > > I love to ask physicians if, since I've studied about 100 hours of > psychiatry, I am now competent to hang out my shingle and practice? > None of them have indicated that they think I'm ready to start :-) > Why, then, would ANYONE think that 100 hours of training in any > medical discipline is enough? Must be massive egos or something... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 The point has been taken can we move on please? Helene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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