Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 " Mike states: You have eluded to an important but commonly overlooked issue plaguing our profession, a lack of educational rigor or standards. The concept of OM/TCM as an education in the US has become less than ideal, which is why I think that we have such disparity w/i the profession. The schools that are CA approved vs. those who are not. Even the programs that are CA recognized are not necessarily up to Asian standards. Most of our schools try hard but few offer most of the pre-med type science courses that are taught to students even in China. " Thank you, Mike. Lack of standards, and lack of uniformity of standards, will continue to be a problem in the U.S. until each state imposes relatively uniform licensing standards, including academic requirements. Unfortunately, many OM schools lack regional accreditation (this means academic accreditation, like " real " colleges and universities must obtain), as opposed to " trade school " accreditation, which allows students to obtain federal financial aid, take the boards, and apply for a license, while the institution is held to minimal admission and academic standards. If you don't understand the difference, I encourage you to visit the U.S. Department of Education website. The accreditation most OM schools currently hold is the same type that secretarial schools and one-year undertaking programs are required to have, nothing more. Why don't the OM schools seek regional accreditation, like " real " colleges and universities? Why indeed. The OM school administrators see no financial incentive to meeting the higher admission and academic standards necessary to obtain regional accreditation, since they will have to " turn away " some students. I am currently studying OM along with individuals who have less than two years of college education and NO science background. They would never meet admission standards for an allopathic medical college. In fact, these students would be unable to meet admission standards for any regionally accredited Masters degree program. They probably couldn't gain admission to the two year nursing program at the state community college. The local chiropractic school has more rigorous admission standards, and courses. At least they require a 1.7 grade point average for admission..... (for you non-US readers, 1.7 on a 4.0 scale is not considered to be a very good grade point average, and suggests that the student will not perform well academically). If you have little more than fifty bucks and a crayon to fill out the form, you can be admitted to most OM schools in the USA today. By contrast, my professors all had to obtain high scores on admission tests before they could be admitted to study TCM in China, and were required to take real, college-level science courses before doing so. Until forced to do so, it would seem that few OM schools will voluntarily meet and maintain regional accreditation standards. Why? In part, perhaps, due to lack of understanding, or professional ethics. I've noticed that few TCM school administrators have any academic administration training or experience. This would never be the case in a " real " college or university. Even fewer have any actual training or experience in health sciences academic administration. The TCM schools will, for the most part, place an individual with a " PhD " in Theology or some other totally irrelevant field in an academic administration position, rather than an individual with bona fide academic administration training and experience. Even our local junior colleges require that the administrator have a terminal degree in academic administration, as a minimal requirement. Why, then, is the concept of professional academic administration so elusive in the field of Oriental Medicine? On to the subject of academic standards. My husband has taught at a major university medical school for almost thirty years, and was positively horrified to learn that most of my classmates have never taken gross human anatomy and have no actual concept of where major organs and blood vessels might be located. Because these individuals have only studied anatomy from a (junior college-level) textbook, they have no concept of the many anomalous presentations of organs and vessels possible in the human body. But they discuss " deep needling " , point injection, and other concepts with him, blissfully unaware of how frightening their lack of knowledge is to " real " medical professionals. And then they ask me why the mean old MDs and DCs want to marginalize OM, and make " acupuncturists " work under direction of a " professional " (yes, legislation is being presented in a number of states to " control " the practice of OM in this manner). Although most MDs and DCs have little or no ability to actually supervise the practice of Oriental Medicine, their knowledge of basic sciences, including gross human anatomy, is sadly superior, and causes those with no understanding of OM (read: legislators/regulators) to believe that we need the " supervision " of these individuals in order to protect the public health (that's what the medical lobbyists are telling them). The practice of Oriental Medicine is reaching a critical point in the USA. Many of you started to practice before the days of schools, licenses, and standards, and will howl vociferously about what I've detailed above, however, you were all " lucky " enough to be flying below the radar of medical associations, legislators and regulators. As a result of your own success, OM has become far more visible, and is coming under increased scrutiny. I'm not attacking your worth or achievements. You were very dedicated to developing yourself as professionals and to continued learning. The Mayo brothers studied allopathic medicine for a matter of months before opening their now world-famous Clinic. I'm not suggesting that they were less viable practitioners because they did not study medicine for four years. But allopathic medicine has changed, and so must OM, if it is to survive. Things need to change in order for OM to survive and develop in the USA. Schools need to meet regional accreditation standards, like any other college or university. That will ensure that there are minimal admission and academic standards. The time has also come for an entry-level doctorate degree in Oriental Medicine. I personally support the accreditation of O.M.D degree programs in the United States. Why? Because the Department of Education has been lobbied by the AMA, chiropractors, and other interested parties into " supporting " a doctoral degree for OM " practitioners " , but one with the " DAOM " designation. Why? So no one will mistake us for being real medical professionals, that's why. O.M.D. is the most accurate, recognizable, and concise designation. It has a tradition of use in the US, as well as other nations. Without a single, recognizable, entry-level doctorate, we will never achieve uniform licensing laws between the states, licensing reciprocity between the states will remain an elusive dream, and recognition of the profession by Medicare/Medicaid/ insurance programs will continue to founder. With uniform academic and licensing standards, we will be able to pursue hospital based training and professional standing, student loan forgiveness programs, and perhaps even standing in the medical corps of the United States Armed Forces (I believe that active military and veterans deserve access to OM treatments, too). For those of you that are interested, I recently received this information from the California-based NOMAA accreditation agency, and encourage you to attend or at least send written support: " NOMAA has submitted a Petition for recognition by the U.S. Secretary of Education in compliance with the Criteria for Secretarial Recognition (34 CFR Part 602) on June 30 2005; there is no approval process for curriculum by the USDE. NOMAA has earned the endorsement of the Council of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine Associations and the Council on Oriental Medicine Education, representing the majority of Primary Care Practitioners in the United States, as these organizations continue to be instrumental in the development of the NOMAA curriculum. NOMAA standards have been available for review and comment on the nomaa.org website for two years and have been provided to all interested Regulatory Agencies, Educational Institutions, Professional Associations and individuals. The NOMAA, Doctor of Oriental Medicine (OMD) educational program meets and exceeds the world Gold standard (Asia) as well as California 2005 requirements as adopted in AB 1943. B & P Code Section 4939(b) requires a minimum 3,000-hour curriculum requirement, effective January 1, 2005. NOMAA standards provide training that is consistent with the known physiological basis of Oriental and standard medicine with evidence-based teaching methodologies (EBM) and competency based training (CBT) demonstrated by Technical Assessment requirements. The Doctor of Oriental Medicine (OMD) First-professional doctoral degree logically follows other health professional’s educational requirements and standards in relation to role and responsibility, scope of practice and licensure, in order to communicate and maintain continuity of care between professions for public safety and welfare. Universities teaching Oriental medicine in China, Korea, Japan and other countries train their students in human physiology, standard pathology and modern diagnostic methods in order to integrate the utilization of Oriental medicine modalities and herbs with standard medical procedures and medications. NOMAA has aligned its standards and criteria to conform to 34 CFR Part 602 of the USDE regulations. Once recognized by the Secretary of Education, (May 06) institutions accredited by NOMAA, will be eligible for Title IV funding. The accreditation process in the United States is entirely voluntary on the part of an institution. At its meeting on May 26, 2005, the Commission of the National Oriental Medicine Accreditation Agency (NOMAA) acted on the accreditation status of South Baylo University. The Commission made the following decision: South Baylo University is granted Initial Accreditation (2010) with the following condition that by December 31, 2007, the institution submits a Progress Report to the Commission to demonstrate that satisfactory progress is made toward full implementation of the OMD program. NOMAA Commission will meet on Saturday February 25, 2006 at 11AM-2PM in the Board Room - 721 N. Euclid Street, Anaheim, CA 92801. We would welcome your attendance/observation and written endorsment. NOMAA, through its rigorous programmatic standards, along with comprehensive institutional requirements and its supporting policies and procedures will raise educational standards and promote the highest quality in the Oriental Medicine profession. NOMAA has other Institutions in California and other states in the Application/Accreditation process and will be announced over the next few months. If you have Institutions that are capable of meeting the NOMAA standard please encourage them to apply. " If we do not take these measures to develop and protect our profession, other, more organized, scientific and methodical entities will be happy to step in and take over for us. Best Regards, Rachel H. Peterman, M.S., J.D. Third year OM Student (Not affiliated with NOMAA) >>Message: 19 Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:05:08 +0000 " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1 Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol Eric states, " Westerners who don't understand basic concepts in CM are actually the butt of the jokes of tens of thousands of educated practitioners? " You have eluded to an important but commonly overlooked issue plaguing our profession, a lack of educational rigor or standards. The concept of OM/TCM as an education in the US has become less than ideal, which is why I think that we have such disparity w/i the profession. The schools that are CA approved vs. those who are not. Even the programs that are CA recognized are not necessarily up to Asian standards. Most of our schools try hard but few offer most of the pre-med type science courses that are taught to students even in China. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. 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Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Because these individuals have only studied anatomy from a (junior college-level) textbook, they have no concept of the many anomalous presentations of organs and vessels possible in the human body. But they discuss " deep needling " , point injection, and other concepts with him, blissfully unaware of how frightening their lack of knowledge is to " real " medical professionals. And then they ask me why the mean old MDs and DCs want to marginalize OM, and make " acupuncturists " work under direction of a " professional " (yes, legislation is being presented in a number of states to " control " the practice of OM in this manner). Although most MDs and DCs have little or no ability >>>>>>> While i agree that LAc knowledge of anatomy is a very sad state of offers i can also tell you that many MDs, DCs and DOs anatomy is not very good as well. I have been teaching Orthopaedic Medicine for 10 years and have assisted in teaching many of the above practitioners and their practical surface anatomy is often quite poor as well .. Oakland, CA 94609 - golden lotus publishing Chinese Medicine Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:20 PM Re: Digest Number 1251: Message 19 re Lack of Standards " Mike states: You have eluded to an important but commonly overlooked issue plaguing our profession, a lack of educational rigor or standards. The concept of OM/TCM as an education in the US has become less than ideal, which is why I think that we have such disparity w/i the profession. The schools that are CA approved vs. those who are not. Even the programs that are CA recognized are not necessarily up to Asian standards. Most of our schools try hard but few offer most of the pre-med type science courses that are taught to students even in China. " Thank you, Mike. Lack of standards, and lack of uniformity of standards, will continue to be a problem in the U.S. until each state imposes relatively uniform licensing standards, including academic requirements. Unfortunately, many OM schools lack regional accreditation (this means academic accreditation, like " real " colleges and universities must obtain), as opposed to " trade school " accreditation, which allows students to obtain federal financial aid, take the boards, and apply for a license, while the institution is held to minimal admission and academic standards. If you don't understand the difference, I encourage you to visit the U.S. Department of Education website. The accreditation most OM schools currently hold is the same type that secretarial schools and one-year undertaking programs are required to have, nothing more. Why don't the OM schools seek regional accreditation, like " real " colleges and universities? Why indeed. The OM school administrators see no financial incentive to meeting the higher admission and academic standards necessary to obtain regional accreditation, since they will have to " turn away " some students. I am currently studying OM along with individuals who have less than two years of college education and NO science background. They would never meet admission standards for an allopathic medical college. In fact, these students would be unable to meet admission standards for any regionally accredited Masters degree program. They probably couldn't gain admission to the two year nursing program at the state community college. The local chiropractic school has more rigorous admission standards, and courses. At least they require a 1.7 grade point average for admission..... (for you non-US readers, 1.7 on a 4.0 scale is not considered to be a very good grade point average, and suggests that the student will not perform well academically). If you have little more than fifty bucks and a crayon to fill out the form, you can be admitted to most OM schools in the USA today. By contrast, my professors all had to obtain high scores on admission tests before they could be admitted to study TCM in China, and were required to take real, college-level science courses before doing so. Until forced to do so, it would seem that few OM schools will voluntarily meet and maintain regional accreditation standards. Why? In part, perhaps, due to lack of understanding, or professional ethics. I've noticed that few TCM school administrators have any academic administration training or experience. This would never be the case in a " real " college or university. Even fewer have any actual training or experience in health sciences academic administration. The TCM schools will, for the most part, place an individual with a " PhD " in Theology or some other totally irrelevant field in an academic administration position, rather than an individual with bona fide academic administration training and experience. Even our local junior colleges require that the administrator have a terminal degree in academic administration, as a minimal requirement. Why, then, is the concept of professional academic administration so elusive in the field of Oriental Medicine? On to the subject of academic standards. My husband has taught at a major university medical school for almost thirty years, and was positively horrified to learn that most of my classmates have never taken gross human anatomy and have no actual concept of where major organs and blood vessels might be located. Because these individuals have only studied anatomy from a (junior college-level) textbook, they have no concept of the many anomalous presentations of organs and vessels possible in the human body. But they discuss " deep needling " , point injection, and other concepts with him, blissfully unaware of how frightening their lack of knowledge is to " real " medical professionals. And then they ask me why the mean old MDs and DCs want to marginalize OM, and make " acupuncturists " work under direction of a " professional " (yes, legislation is being presented in a number of states to " control " the practice of OM in this manner). Although most MDs and DCs have little or no ability to actually supervise the practice of Oriental Medicine, their knowledge of basic sciences, including gross human anatomy, is sadly superior, and causes those with no understanding of OM (read: legislators/regulators) to believe that we need the " supervision " of these individuals in order to protect the public health (that's what the medical lobbyists are telling them). The practice of Oriental Medicine is reaching a critical point in the USA. Many of you started to practice before the days of schools, licenses, and standards, and will howl vociferously about what I've detailed above, however, you were all " lucky " enough to be flying below the radar of medical associations, legislators and regulators. As a result of your own success, OM has become far more visible, and is coming under increased scrutiny. I'm not attacking your worth or achievements. You were very dedicated to developing yourself as professionals and to continued learning. The Mayo brothers studied allopathic medicine for a matter of months before opening their now world-famous Clinic. I'm not suggesting that they were less viable practitioners because they did not study medicine for four years. But allopathic medicine has changed, and so must OM, if it is to survive. Things need to change in order for OM to survive and develop in the USA. Schools need to meet regional accreditation standards, like any other college or university. That will ensure that there are minimal admission and academic standards. The time has also come for an entry-level doctorate degree in Oriental Medicine. I personally support the accreditation of O.M.D degree programs in the United States. Why? Because the Department of Education has been lobbied by the AMA, chiropractors, and other interested parties into " supporting " a doctoral degree for OM " practitioners " , but one with the " DAOM " designation. Why? So no one will mistake us for being real medical professionals, that's why. O.M.D. is the most accurate, recognizable, and concise designation. It has a tradition of use in the US, as well as other nations. Without a single, recognizable, entry-level doctorate, we will never achieve uniform licensing laws between the states, licensing reciprocity between the states will remain an elusive dream, and recognition of the profession by Medicare/Medicaid/ insurance programs will continue to founder. With uniform academic and licensing standards, we will be able to pursue hospital based training and professional standing, student loan forgiveness programs, and perhaps even standing in the medical corps of the United States Armed Forces (I believe that active military and veterans deserve access to OM treatments, too). For those of you that are interested, I recently received this information from the California-based NOMAA accreditation agency, and encourage you to attend or at least send written support: " NOMAA has submitted a Petition for recognition by the U.S. Secretary of Education in compliance with the Criteria for Secretarial Recognition (34 CFR Part 602) on June 30 2005; there is no approval process for curriculum by the USDE. NOMAA has earned the endorsement of the Council of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine Associations and the Council on Oriental Medicine Education, representing the majority of Primary Care Practitioners in the United States, as these organizations continue to be instrumental in the development of the NOMAA curriculum. NOMAA standards have been available for review and comment on the nomaa.org website for two years and have been provided to all interested Regulatory Agencies, Educational Institutions, Professional Associations and individuals. The NOMAA, Doctor of Oriental Medicine (OMD) educational program meets and exceeds the world Gold standard (Asia) as well as California 2005 requirements as adopted in AB 1943. B & P Code Section 4939(b) requires a minimum 3,000-hour curriculum requirement, effective January 1, 2005. NOMAA standards provide training that is consistent with the known physiological basis of Oriental and standard medicine with evidence-based teaching methodologies (EBM) and competency based training (CBT) demonstrated by Technical Assessment requirements. The Doctor of Oriental Medicine (OMD) First-professional doctoral degree logically follows other health professional's educational requirements and standards in relation to role and responsibility, scope of practice and licensure, in order to communicate and maintain continuity of care between professions for public safety and welfare. Universities teaching Oriental medicine in China, Korea, Japan and other countries train their students in human physiology, standard pathology and modern diagnostic methods in order to integrate the utilization of Oriental medicine modalities and herbs with standard medical procedures and medications. NOMAA has aligned its standards and criteria to conform to 34 CFR Part 602 of the USDE regulations. Once recognized by the Secretary of Education, (May 06) institutions accredited by NOMAA, will be eligible for Title IV funding. The accreditation process in the United States is entirely voluntary on the part of an institution. At its meeting on May 26, 2005, the Commission of the National Oriental Medicine Accreditation Agency (NOMAA) acted on the accreditation status of South Baylo University. The Commission made the following decision: South Baylo University is granted Initial Accreditation (2010) with the following condition that by December 31, 2007, the institution submits a Progress Report to the Commission to demonstrate that satisfactory progress is made toward full implementation of the OMD program. NOMAA Commission will meet on Saturday February 25, 2006 at 11AM-2PM in the Board Room - 721 N. Euclid Street, Anaheim, CA 92801. We would welcome your attendance/observation and written endorsment. NOMAA, through its rigorous programmatic standards, along with comprehensive institutional requirements and its supporting policies and procedures will raise educational standards and promote the highest quality in the Oriental Medicine profession. NOMAA has other Institutions in California and other states in the Application/Accreditation process and will be announced over the next few months. If you have Institutions that are capable of meeting the NOMAA standard please encourage them to apply. " If we do not take these measures to develop and protect our profession, other, more organized, scientific and methodical entities will be happy to step in and take over for us. Best Regards, Rachel H. Peterman, M.S., J.D. Third year OM Student (Not affiliated with NOMAA) >>Message: 19 Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:05:08 +0000 " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1 Re: Weight Loss Acupuncture Protocol Eric states, " Westerners who don't understand basic concepts in CM are actually the butt of the jokes of tens of thousands of educated practitioners? " You have eluded to an important but commonly overlooked issue plaguing our profession, a lack of educational rigor or standards. The concept of OM/TCM as an education in the US has become less than ideal, which is why I think that we have such disparity w/i the profession. The schools that are CA approved vs. those who are not. Even the programs that are CA recognized are not necessarily up to Asian standards. Most of our schools try hard but few offer most of the pre-med type science courses that are taught to students even in China. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. 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Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Rachel, I agree with you, as a professor of Chinese medicine the last fifteen years, that we need to upgrade standards of admission, teaching, and move towards regional accreditation. You've obviously done your research, you've presented a complete and coherent argument with proposed solutions. However, I do want to point out that if there is going to be improved biomedical studies in our schools, there also needs even more to be in-depth study of Chinese medical studies, including qi physiology, channel theory, pulse diagnosis, prescription writing, classics (Nei Jing, Nan Jing, Shang Han Lun), and more in order to be up to the standards of mainland Chinese, Taiwanese and Japanese institutions. I have not seen these positions taken by any Californian or national organizations at this point, so for me it is futile to just increase biomedical education, such as anatomy and physiology without an even greater increase in depth of Chinese medical studies. On Jan 17, 2006, at 1:20 PM, golden lotus publishing wrote: > On to the subject of academic standards. My husband has taught > at a major university medical school for almost thirty years, and > was positively horrified to learn that most of my classmates have > never taken gross human anatomy and have no actual concept of where > major organs and blood vessels might be located. Because these > individuals have only studied anatomy from a (junior college-level) > textbook, they have no concept of the many anomalous presentations > of organs and vessels possible in the human body. But they discuss > " deep needling " , point injection, and other concepts with him, > blissfully unaware of how frightening their lack of knowledge is to > " real " medical professionals. And then they ask me why the mean > old MDs and DCs want to marginalize OM, and make " acupuncturists " > work under direction of a " professional " (yes, legislation is being > presented in a number of states to " control " the practice of OM in > this manner). Although most MDs and DCs have little or no ability > to actually supervise the practice of Oriental Medicine, their > knowledge of basic sciences, including gross human anatomy, is > sadly superior, and causes those with no understanding of OM (read: > legislators/regulators) to believe that we need the " supervision " > of these individuals in order to protect the public health (that's > what the medical lobbyists are telling them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Zev, Let these discussions begin here and maybe some day manifest with a better educational program. I do not think that anyone here is taking the position that more WM alone is what we want. As for the CM, it would appear that some think that they got a decent education at their school so they might not be mentioning that here. There is also a problem with the disparity between CA and the rest of the profession being so large. Then you have the issue of certain schools of thought that are being taught in isolation of and at the exclusion of other theories. As you mention it no one currently wants to take up the call to change but maybe one will and then the rest and so on but it will take one with courage to take this on. We can have both things. Any renewed interest in creating that program/school? Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " " <zrosenbe >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Digest Number 1251: Message 19 re Lack of Standards >Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:08:58 -0800 > >Rachel, >I agree with you, as a professor of Chinese medicine the last fifteen >years, that we need to upgrade standards of admission, teaching, and >move towards regional accreditation. You've obviously done your >research, you've presented a complete and coherent argument with >proposed solutions. However, I do want to point out that if there is >going to be improved biomedical studies in our schools, there also >needs even more to be in-depth study of Chinese medical studies, >including qi physiology, channel theory, pulse diagnosis, >prescription writing, classics (Nei Jing, Nan Jing, Shang Han Lun), >and more in order to be up to the standards of mainland Chinese, >Taiwanese and Japanese institutions. I have not seen these positions >taken by any Californian or national organizations at this point, so >for me it is futile to just increase biomedical education, such as >anatomy and physiology without an even greater increase in depth of >Chinese medical studies. > > >On Jan 17, 2006, at 1:20 PM, golden lotus publishing wrote: > > > On to the subject of academic standards. My husband has taught > > at a major university medical school for almost thirty years, and > > was positively horrified to learn that most of my classmates have > > never taken gross human anatomy and have no actual concept of where > > major organs and blood vessels might be located. Because these > > individuals have only studied anatomy from a (junior college-level) > > textbook, they have no concept of the many anomalous presentations > > of organs and vessels possible in the human body. But they discuss > > " deep needling " , point injection, and other concepts with him, > > blissfully unaware of how frightening their lack of knowledge is to > > " real " medical professionals. And then they ask me why the mean > > old MDs and DCs want to marginalize OM, and make " acupuncturists " > > work under direction of a " professional " (yes, legislation is being > > presented in a number of states to " control " the practice of OM in > > this manner). Although most MDs and DCs have little or no ability > > to actually supervise the practice of Oriental Medicine, their > > knowledge of basic sciences, including gross human anatomy, is > > sadly superior, and causes those with no understanding of OM (read: > > legislators/regulators) to believe that we need the " supervision " > > of these individuals in order to protect the public health (that's > > what the medical lobbyists are telling them). > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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