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And actually legal in a lot of other states thru MD & DO delegation rules and

regs, aka, a prescription for point injection.

David Molony

In a message dated 1/1/06 5:33:16 AM, acudoc11 writes:

 

 

> Legal for licensed acupuncturists in Florida, New Mexico, Arkansas, West 

> Virginia, Colorado.

>

> Richard

>

 

 

 

 

 

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David,

 

Are you saying that it is legal in other states for L Ac to perform this

procedure? I would find it interesting to find an MD/DO who would refer

this to us. Even with the referal I would not think that it is w/i our

scope of practice in other states.

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

And actually legal in a lot of other states thru MD & DO delegation rules

and

>regs, aka, a prescription for point injection.

>David Molony

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Hello,

Point injections are legal in the state of Florida after the licensed

acupuncturist has satisfactorily completed an expensive training course.

 

P.T. Ferrance

-

mike Bowser

Chinese Medicine

Monday, January 02, 2006 7:42 PM

RE: Re: Re: point injections

 

 

David,

 

Are you saying that it is legal in other states for L Ac to perform this

procedure? I would find it interesting to find an MD/DO who would refer

this to us. Even with the referal I would not think that it is w/i our

scope of practice in other states.

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

And actually legal in a lot of other states thru MD & DO delegation rules

and

>regs, aka, a prescription for point injection.

>David Molony

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 1/3/2006 9:12:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

sdngr writes:

 

Anyone know what the legality regarding point

injections is in the state of California?

 

 

 

This was posted by David and to my knowledge it is correct.

Legal for licensed acupuncturists in Florida, New Mexico, Arkansas, West

Virginia, Colorado.

 

Stan

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:16:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

flyingstarsfengshui writes:

 

Injections are not allowed in California, Laser in not in the scope

either, unless one sets up a " Reseach Board " and no charge for the

service is allowed.

 

 

 

I have heard people say this but have never seen it in writting.

 

 

 

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Anyone know what the legality regarding point

injections is in the state of California?

 

--- " P.T. Ferrance " <ptf1 wrote:

 

> Hello,

> Point injections are legal in the state of Florida

> after the licensed acupuncturist has satisfactorily

> completed an expensive training course.

>

> P.T. Ferrance

> -

> mike Bowser

> Chinese Medicine

> Monday, January 02, 2006 7:42 PM

> RE: Re: Re: point injections

>

>

> David,

>

> Are you saying that it is legal in other states

> for L Ac to perform this

> procedure? I would find it interesting to find an

> MD/DO who would refer

> this to us. Even with the referal I would not

> think that it is w/i our

> scope of practice in other states.

>

> Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

>

> And actually legal in a lot of other states thru

> MD & DO delegation rules

> and

> >regs, aka, a prescription for point injection.

> >David Molony

>

>

>

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I have not any legal opinion on this one but would really doubt it.

 

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

 

 

 

>Rene Ng <sdngr

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine

>Re: Re: TCM -  Re: point injections

>Tue, 3 Jan 2006 05:39:17 -0800 (PST)

>

>Anyone know what the legality regarding point

>injections is in the state of California?

>

>--- " P.T. Ferrance " <ptf1 wrote:

>

> > Hello,

> > Point injections are legal in the state of Florida

> > after the licensed acupuncturist has satisfactorily

> > completed an expensive training course.

> >

> > P.T. Ferrance

> > -

> > mike Bowser

> > Chinese Medicine

> > Monday, January 02, 2006 7:42 PM

> > RE: Re: Re: point injections

> >

> >

> > David,

> >

> > Are you saying that it is legal in other states

> > for L Ac to perform this

> > procedure? I would find it interesting to find an

> > MD/DO who would refer

> > this to us. Even with the referal I would not

> > think that it is w/i our

> > scope of practice in other states.

> >

> > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

> >

> > And actually legal in a lot of other states thru

> > MD & DO delegation rules

> > and

> > >regs, aka, a prescription for point injection.

> > >David Molony

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

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Injections are not allowed in California, Laser in not in the scope

either, unless one sets up a " Reseach Board " and no charge for the

service is allowed.

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Rene Ng

<sdngr> wrote:

>

> Anyone know what the legality regarding point

> injections is in the state of California?

>

> --- " P.T. Ferrance " <ptf1@a...> wrote:

>

> > Hello,

> > Point injections are legal in the state of Florida

> > after the licensed acupuncturist has satisfactorily

> > completed an expensive training course.

> >

> > P.T. Ferrance

> > -

> > mike Bowser

> > Chinese Medicine

> > Monday, January 02, 2006 7:42 PM

> > RE: Re: Re: point injections

> >

> >

> > David,

> >

> > Are you saying that it is legal in other states

> > for L Ac to perform this

> > procedure? I would find it interesting to find an

> > MD/DO who would refer

> > this to us. Even with the referal I would not

> > think that it is w/i our

> > scope of practice in other states.

> >

> > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

> >

> > And actually legal in a lot of other states thru

> > MD & DO delegation rules

> > and

> > >regs, aka, a prescription for point injection.

> > >David Molony

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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Is expensive relative to a similar course by another profession that uses

similar practices, with hands on and an extensive presentation, or a didactic

program with perhaps a few examples of needling? Very big difference here.

David Molony

In a message dated 1/3/06 3:04:02 AM, ptf1 writes:

 

 

> Hello,

> Point injections are legal in the state of Florida after the licensed

> acupuncturist has satisfactorily completed an expensive training course.

>

> P.T. Ferrance

>

 

 

 

 

 

David Molony

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Generalized statements are meaningless.

One needs to do a comparative analysis.

Which course, which profession and then what price.

Not all courses are equivalent within a profession.

Not all courses are equivalent between the professions.

 

Richard Freiberg

 

 

In a message dated 01/05/06 10:13:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

acuman1 writes:

 

Is expensive relative to a similar course by another profession that uses

similar practices, with hands on and an extensive presentation, or a

didactic

program with perhaps a few examples of needling? Very big difference here.

David Molony

In a message dated 1/3/06 3:04:02 AM, ptf1 writes:

 

 

> Hello,

> Point injections are legal in the state of Florida after the licensed

> acupuncturist has satisfactorily completed an expensive training course.

>

> P.T. Ferrance

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I don't find the referral rare, and in fact have gotten it every time I have

asked. I am only too happy when Om providers have access without MD's, but the

best way to gain access is to establish safe and effective use, unless one

has the money and political capital to push a bill thru, which in most states is

a moot point due to our professions' self-divisiveness.

I would suspect that AP's who have good relations with MD's and have the

education and the patient's request may well get a referral.

DAvid

 

In a message dated 1/6/06 11:28:21 AM, acudoc11 writes:

 

 

>

> Acupuncturists as primary care healthcare practitioners are quite capable 

> of

> administering point injections without the need for a relationship with an

> MD

> to refer.

>

> Do you have any statistics in the states where APs are primary care as to 

> how many referrals those APs receive from MDs?

>

> It is understandable that in states where MDs are god and APs are under the 

> thumb of those

> allopaths where they might be able to develop that rare  referral.

>

> Richard

>

 

 

 

 

 

David Molony

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