Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Hello Group, Today a patient asked me whether I had ever about point injections reintroducing the patient's own blood into specific points on the body. The patient's sister-in-law apparently had this done by an old Chinese physician(?) treating her for mononucleosis. Apparently the treatment - however illegal to perform in Denmark - had been extremely effective. The technique supposedly originated in China during the seventies and is now out of fashion/practice?! Any input on this would be appreciated. Happy New Year Thomas Sorensen L.Ac., Denmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 I had never heard of such a procedure before, but I am not surprised. When I was in china the doctors sometimes injected herbal decoctions into specific acupuncture points. At the same time, in western med, it is not unusual to collect a patient's blood for future transfusion back into the patient. (This happens before surgery.) I guess someone in China just put two and two together. On 12/31/05, Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen <> wrote: > > Hello Group, > > Today a patient asked me whether I had ever about point injections > reintroducing the patient's own blood into specific points on the body. > > The patient's sister-in-law apparently had this done by an old Chinese > physician(?) treating her for mononucleosis. Apparently the treatment - > however illegal to perform in Denmark - had been extremely effective. > The technique supposedly originated in China during the seventies and is > now out of fashion/practice?! > > Any input on this would be appreciated. > > Happy New Year > > Thomas Sorensen > L.Ac., Denmark > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 ---- Thomas Bxgedal Sxrensen 01/01/06 18:31:55 Chinese Medicine Point injections using blood?!?!?! Hello Group, Today a patient asked me whether I had ever about point injections reintroducing the patient's own blood into specific points on the body. >>> I found 16 articles when searching for " ???? " (xue2wei4zhu4she) AND " ?? " (zi4xue4), sometimes translated as autoblood point-injection. It is being used for cirrhosis and hepatitis, dermatological conditions like measles, psoriasis and acne, and asthma. Of these conditions, acne and asthma are the most frequently mentioned. I also downloaded an article (??????????????; ???????; JOURNAL OF CLINICAL ACUPUNCTURE AND MOXIBUSTION [??????]; 2001, Vol.17, Issue 6) dealing with the development and current situation of autoblood treatments. It states that the technique was developed in the 50s to treat dermatological complaints. Its use was later expanded to treat various diseases. The article further summarizes 30 articles, most of them dealing with dermatological complaints, but also with asthma, malignant tumors and recurring mouth sores. Regards, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Hi Tom, Hi to all. We do autoblood point injection very often in veterinary acupuncture. It is used for cronic dermatitis like alergic ones, dermatofitosis, cancer, improvement of imune sistem, viruses diseases, and others. We use some special points in horses like Bai Hui (lumbo-sacral space), SP20, and in dogs Sp10, Bl40, all points of dorsal bladder meridian, LI11, GV14, GV1, and others. We have seen no side effects, just some local pain due to the imune reation that some times are very strong. If someone like, I have some articles. Tom, if posible, I would like you to send me privately the articles you have downloaded... Thanks in advance. Greetings to all. Jean G. F. Joaquim, DVM, MS Veterinary and Homeopathie Service University of Sao Paulo State www.fmvz.unesp.br - Tom Verhaeghe Chinese Medicine Sunday, January 01, 2006 4:56 PM Re: Point injections using blood?!?!?! ---- Thomas Bxgedal Sxrensen 01/01/06 18:31:55 Chinese Medicine Point injections using blood?!?!?! Hello Group, Today a patient asked me whether I had ever about point injections reintroducing the patient's own blood into specific points on the body. >>> I found 16 articles when searching for " ???? " (xue2wei4zhu4she) AND " ?? " (zi4xue4), sometimes translated as autoblood point-injection. It is being used for cirrhosis and hepatitis, dermatological conditions like measles, psoriasis and acne, and asthma. Of these conditions, acne and asthma are the most frequently mentioned. I also downloaded an article (??????????????; ???????; JOURNAL OF CLINICAL ACUPUNCTURE AND MOXIBUSTION [??????]; 2001, Vol.17, Issue 6) dealing with the development and current situation of autoblood treatments. It states that the technique was developed in the 50s to treat dermatological complaints. Its use was later expanded to treat various diseases. The article further summarizes 30 articles, most of them dealing with dermatological complaints, but also with asthma, malignant tumors and recurring mouth sores. Regards, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Hi Jean, & All, Jean wrote: > We do autoblood point injection very often in veterinary acupuncture. > It is used for chronic dermatitis, like allergic ones, dermatophytosis, > cancer, improvement of immune system, virus diseases, and others. > We use some special points in horses like Baihui (lumbo-sacral space), > SP20, and in dogs SP10, BL40, all points of dorsal BL meridian, LI11, > GV14, GV01, and others. > We have seen no side effects, just some local pain due to the immune > reaction that sometimes is very strong. If someone like, I have some > articles. Tom, if possible, I would like you to send me privately the > articles you have downloaded... Thanks in advance. Greetings to all. > Jean G. F. Joaquim, DVM, MS Veterinary and Homeopathie Service > University of Sao Paulo State www.fmvz.unesp.br Jean and Tom, please email to me off-list any good data that you have on autologous blood injection at the acupoints. Medline has two abstracts that reported a septicaemia after blood patch injection in the lumbosacral space Have any of you ever had cellulitis after autologous blood injection? Best regards, Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) Ireland. Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - Chinese Proverb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Hi all, Phil, I have not seen cellulitis after acupuncture. Maybe it happens in humans, were the skin are more delicated. Greetings from Brazil Jean G. F. Joaquim, DVM, MS Veterinary and Homeopathie Service University of Sao Paulo State www.fmvz.unesp.br - Chinese Medicine Cc: PVA-L Monday, January 02, 2006 12:35 AM Re: Point injections using blood?!?!?! Hi Jean, & All, Jean wrote: > We do autoblood point injection very often in veterinary acupuncture. > It is used for chronic dermatitis, like allergic ones, dermatophytosis, > cancer, improvement of immune system, virus diseases, and others. > We use some special points in horses like Baihui (lumbo-sacral space), > SP20, and in dogs SP10, BL40, all points of dorsal BL meridian, LI11, > GV14, GV01, and others. > We have seen no side effects, just some local pain due to the immune > reaction that sometimes is very strong. If someone like, I have some > articles. Tom, if possible, I would like you to send me privately the > articles you have downloaded... Thanks in advance. Greetings to all. > Jean G. F. Joaquim, DVM, MS Veterinary and Homeopathie Service > University of Sao Paulo State www.fmvz.unesp.br Jean and Tom, please email to me off-list any good data that you have on autologous blood injection at the acupoints. Medline has two abstracts that reported a septicaemia after blood patch injection in the lumbosacral space Have any of you ever had cellulitis after autologous blood injection? Best regards, Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) Ireland. Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - Chinese Proverb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Chinese Medicine , Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen <thomas@o...> wrote: > Today a patient asked me whether I had ever about point injections > reintroducing the patient's own blood into specific points on the body. > Autohaemotherapy ( im, usually gluteal region, injection of patients own blood) was, and I believe still is legit procedure in conventional medicine of some eastern european countries and countries of former SU (Russia, Ukraine etc). It was/is used mostly for conditions thought to be caused by incompetence of immune system - wide variety - from acne and vaginal warts to rheumathoid artritis. Fairly routine procedure with no chinese or alternative connotation attached. BTW, same about cupping, which was routine and obligatory procedure for every postoperative patient especially after abdominal operations with intratracheal intubation etc. Happy New Year, Ed Mizun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Using the patient's blood (auto-sanguis therapy or autohaemotherapy) into acupoints or an IV push back into the vein when mixed with homeopathic medicine is a very effective treatment. Another way of using the blood is mixing the solution and have the medicine taken orally (PO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Mr. Verhaeghe et al. Thank you for the information on this topic - very helpful Best regards, Thomas Sorensen L.Ac., Denmark Tom Verhaeghe wrote: > > > >---- > >Thomas Bxgedal Sxrensen >01/01/06 18:31:55 >Chinese Medicine >Point injections using blood?!?!?! > >Hello Group, > >Today a patient asked me whether I had ever about point injections >reintroducing the patient's own blood into specific points on the body. > > > >>>>I found 16 articles when searching for " ???? " (xue2wei4zhu4she) AND " ?? " >>>> >>>> >(zi4xue4), sometimes translated as autoblood point-injection. It is being >used for cirrhosis and hepatitis, dermatological conditions like measles, >psoriasis and acne, and asthma. Of these conditions, acne and asthma are the >most frequently mentioned. >I also downloaded an article (??????????????; ???????; JOURNAL OF CLINICAL >ACUPUNCTURE AND MOXIBUSTION [??????]; 2001, Vol.17, Issue 6) dealing with >the development and current situation of autoblood treatments. It states >that the technique was developed in the 50s to treat dermatological >complaints. Its use was later expanded to treat various diseases. The >article further summarizes 30 articles, most of them dealing with >dermatological complaints, but also with asthma, malignant tumors and >recurring mouth sores. >Regards, > >Tom. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Hello This method uses only a tiny amount of blood. I have not used the method myself, but i believe it could be very effective for many cases. For the first time about the procedure I've heard during a HEEL seminar, held in Lithuania, lecture and cases presented by Dr. Klaus Kustermann (Germany). Some more information about the procedure, I've found it here: http://www.explorepub.com/articles/sheldon_10_3.html And here is the main HEEL page for those who are interested, with a list of contact addresses. Rasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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