Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Hello all, I am in the process of deciding which college to attend and came across two interesting looking Acupuncture qualifications in the UK. Now I know Dr D'Alberto is based in London and several other Acupuncturists from the UK are on this list as well. Any input is highly appreciated! One of these qualifications is a " Diploma in Chinese Healthcare and Acupuncture " (DCHA) which is offered by the AcuMedic Foundation in Camden, London. This Diploma is apparently issued after 2.5 years of study by the Beijing University of and Pharmacology! *rather posh me thinks!* The other is a Diploma in Healthcare Acupuncture by Asante Academy, Middlesex University. Only takes about 8 months to get that one! Both diplomas are only open for " Health Care Professionals " such as Nurses, GP's, Physiotherapists, Massage Therapist and such BUT are seen as full blown Acupuncture qualifications! However, they seem much more thorough and serious then the crash courses offered by the British Medical Acupuncture Society. Just wandering if anyone on here as taken either diploma, how the course was structured, how informative it was...etc. And of course what some of the BSc Acupuncturists think about these courses! Mario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Hi Mario, I studied at Middlesex University/Beijing University of TCM and undertook my clinical experience at the Ascante Academy. At the moment there is no regulation so you could get any qualification, including a diploma and practice acupuncture. However, when regulation comes in things will change. How they will change is yet to be decided, but WM healthcare professional will probably be ensured a good ride. Meaning that even though they are less qualified than standard acupuncturists they'll still be able to practice acupuncture, much to the annoyance of us regular practitioners. Both Acumedic and Ascante are well known and respected places. The 2.5 years of study (part time I guess) sounds better than the 8 months offered at Ascante. I also don't think the diploma course is accredited with Middlesex university, I think you mis read that. Anyway, trying to learn a 3000 year old medicine in 8 months is like trying to become a qualified M.D. in 3 months. Ridiculous! If your serious about learning real acupuncture then you need to study a minimum of 3 years full time. If your a healthcare professional you could cut that down to 2 years full time, depending on your qualifications and if you could be exempt from anatomy, physiology, pathology, WM modules, etc. I would suggest only attending a course endorsed by the British Acupuncture Council http://www.acupuncture.org.uk/ or the Association of Traditional www.atcm.co.uk . Anything else would be a lesser form of acupuncture, a waste of time and you will never really have a good foundation in TCM and nor will you be respected by any other truly qualified acupuncturist. I hope this information helps you and I'm very happy that you are interested in such a wonderful healthcare system! Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. Company Director The Earth Health Clinic 0208 367 8378 enquiries <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of OmoObatala 01 December 2005 09:44 Chinese Medicine UK TCM training AcuMedic + Asante? Hello all, I am in the process of deciding which college to attend and came across two interesting looking Acupuncture qualifications in the UK. Now I know Dr D'Alberto is based in London and several other Acupuncturists from the UK are on this list as well. Any input is highly appreciated! One of these qualifications is a " Diploma in Chinese Healthcare and Acupuncture " (DCHA) which is offered by the AcuMedic Foundation in Camden, London. This Diploma is apparently issued after 2.5 years of study by the Beijing University of and Pharmacology! *rather posh me thinks!* The other is a Diploma in Healthcare Acupuncture by Asante Academy, Middlesex University. Only takes about 8 months to get that one! Both diplomas are only open for " Health Care Professionals " such as Nurses, GP's, Physiotherapists, Massage Therapist and such BUT are seen as full blown Acupuncture qualifications! However, they seem much more thorough and serious then the crash courses offered by the British Medical Acupuncture Society. Just wandering if anyone on here as taken either diploma, how the course was structured, how informative it was...etc. And of course what some of the BSc Acupuncturists think about these courses! Mario Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Hi Attilio, No disrespect to you on your views, ----> " Anything else would be a lesser form of acupuncture, a waste of time and you will never really have a good foundation in TCM and nor will you be respected by any other truly qualified acupuncturist. " But doing a course full time compared to a part time course does not make you a truly qualified acupuncturist. It requires passion, energy and desire, the true Traditional Chinese Medical Practioneer will spend more than 8 months, more than 3.5 years. Its a life time of learning, my own view is the quality of information received and the quality of lectures are core. Its not just about just learning about needle points and learning what each point helps with on a Western Medical basis, eg, client with toothache, and automatically use Hegu, as the point, you need to usnderstand, the patterns, understand the basics and build on that. I agree on regulation, I have seen Western doctors do a 6 week course on Acupuncture and practice on the 7th week. With no solid foundation. I always find that practioneers who practice, always feel their training was best. Thats how I felt, but now after time feel different. This medicine every day is a continuous learning, the day you stop learning is the day you should stop practicing. My advice to you is to see if you can speak to previous students of the colleges, they will give you a true insight......... Best of Luck with the search. Gordon. On 12/1/05, Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto wrote: > > Hi Mario, > > I studied at Middlesex University/Beijing University of TCM and undertook > my > clinical experience at the Ascante Academy. > > At the moment there is no regulation so you could get any qualification, > including a diploma and practice acupuncture. However, when regulation > comes > in things will change. How they will change is yet to be decided, but WM > healthcare professional will probably be ensured a good ride. Meaning that > even though they are less qualified than standard acupuncturists they'll > still be able to practice acupuncture, much to the annoyance of us regular > practitioners. > > Both Acumedic and Ascante are well known and respected places. The 2.5years > of study (part time I guess) sounds better than the 8 months offered at > Ascante. I also don't think the diploma course is accredited with > Middlesex > university, I think you mis read that. Anyway, trying to learn a 3000 year > old medicine in 8 months is like trying to become a qualified M.D. in 3 > months. Ridiculous! > > If your serious about learning real acupuncture then you need to study a > minimum of 3 years full time. If your a healthcare professional you could > cut that down to 2 years full time, depending on your qualifications and > if > you could be exempt from anatomy, physiology, pathology, WM modules, etc. > I > would suggest only attending a course endorsed by the British Acupuncture > Council http://www.acupuncture.org.uk/ or the Association of Traditional > www.atcm.co.uk . Anything else would be a lesser form of > acupuncture, a waste of time and you will never really have a good > foundation in TCM and nor will you be respected by any other truly > qualified > acupuncturist. > > I hope this information helps you and I'm very happy that you are > interested > in such a wonderful healthcare system! > > Warm regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. > Company Director > The Earth Health Clinic > 0208 367 8378 > enquiries > <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of > OmoObatala > 01 December 2005 09:44 > Chinese Medicine > UK TCM training AcuMedic + Asante? > > > Hello all, > > I am in the process of deciding which college to attend and came > across two interesting looking Acupuncture qualifications in the UK. > Now I know Dr D'Alberto is based in London and several other > Acupuncturists from the UK are on this list as well. Any input is > highly appreciated! > > One of these qualifications is a " Diploma in Chinese Healthcare and > Acupuncture " (DCHA) which is offered by the AcuMedic Foundation in > Camden, London. This Diploma is apparently issued after 2.5 years of > study by the Beijing University of and Pharmacology! > *rather posh me thinks!* > The other is a Diploma in Healthcare Acupuncture by Asante Academy, > Middlesex University. Only takes about 8 months to get that one! > > Both diplomas are only open for " Health Care Professionals " such as > Nurses, GP's, Physiotherapists, Massage Therapist and such BUT are > seen as full blown Acupuncture qualifications! > > However, they seem much more thorough and serious then the crash > courses offered by the British Medical Acupuncture Society. > > Just wandering if anyone on here as taken either diploma, how the > course was structured, how informative it was...etc. And of course > what some of the BSc Acupuncturists think about these courses! > > Mario > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Hi Gordon, I was not making reference to any difference in a part time to a full time course, so long as the part time course equals the same time in hours as a full time course. Of course its a lifetime of learning, this goes without saying. But if you don't have a good foundation then you are unlikely to get very far. Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. Company Director The Earth Health Clinic 0208 367 8378 enquiries <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Gordon Mullins 01 December 2005 11:26 Chinese Medicine Re: UK TCM training AcuMedic + Asante? Hi Attilio, No disrespect to you on your views, ----> " Anything else would be a lesser form of acupuncture, a waste of time and you will never really have a good foundation in TCM and nor will you be respected by any other truly qualified acupuncturist. " But doing a course full time compared to a part time course does not make you a truly qualified acupuncturist. It requires passion, energy and desire, the true Traditional Chinese Medical Practioneer will spend more than 8 months, more than 3.5 years. Its a life time of learning, my own view is the quality of information received and the quality of lectures are core. Its not just about just learning about needle points and learning what each point helps with on a Western Medical basis, eg, client with toothache, and automatically use Hegu, as the point, you need to usnderstand, the patterns, understand the basics and build on that. I agree on regulation, I have seen Western doctors do a 6 week course on Acupuncture and practice on the 7th week. With no solid foundation. I always find that practioneers who practice, always feel their training was best. Thats how I felt, but now after time feel different. This medicine every day is a continuous learning, the day you stop learning is the day you should stop practicing. My advice to you is to see if you can speak to previous students of the colleges, they will give you a true insight......... Best of Luck with the search. Gordon. On 12/1/05, Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto wrote: > > Hi Mario, > > I studied at Middlesex University/Beijing University of TCM and undertook > my > clinical experience at the Ascante Academy. > > At the moment there is no regulation so you could get any qualification, > including a diploma and practice acupuncture. However, when regulation > comes > in things will change. How they will change is yet to be decided, but WM > healthcare professional will probably be ensured a good ride. Meaning that > even though they are less qualified than standard acupuncturists they'll > still be able to practice acupuncture, much to the annoyance of us regular > practitioners. > > Both Acumedic and Ascante are well known and respected places. The 2.5years > of study (part time I guess) sounds better than the 8 months offered at > Ascante. I also don't think the diploma course is accredited with > Middlesex > university, I think you mis read that. Anyway, trying to learn a 3000 year > old medicine in 8 months is like trying to become a qualified M.D. in 3 > months. Ridiculous! > > If your serious about learning real acupuncture then you need to study a > minimum of 3 years full time. If your a healthcare professional you could > cut that down to 2 years full time, depending on your qualifications and > if > you could be exempt from anatomy, physiology, pathology, WM modules, etc. > I > would suggest only attending a course endorsed by the British Acupuncture > Council http://www.acupuncture.org.uk/ or the Association of Traditional > www.atcm.co.uk . Anything else would be a lesser form of > acupuncture, a waste of time and you will never really have a good > foundation in TCM and nor will you be respected by any other truly > qualified > acupuncturist. > > I hope this information helps you and I'm very happy that you are > interested > in such a wonderful healthcare system! > > Warm regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. > Company Director > The Earth Health Clinic > 0208 367 8378 > enquiries > <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of > OmoObatala > 01 December 2005 09:44 > Chinese Medicine > UK TCM training AcuMedic + Asante? > > > Hello all, > > I am in the process of deciding which college to attend and came > across two interesting looking Acupuncture qualifications in the UK. > Now I know Dr D'Alberto is based in London and several other > Acupuncturists from the UK are on this list as well. Any input is > highly appreciated! > > One of these qualifications is a " Diploma in Chinese Healthcare and > Acupuncture " (DCHA) which is offered by the AcuMedic Foundation in > Camden, London. This Diploma is apparently issued after 2.5 years of > study by the Beijing University of and Pharmacology! > *rather posh me thinks!* > The other is a Diploma in Healthcare Acupuncture by Asante Academy, > Middlesex University. Only takes about 8 months to get that one! > > Both diplomas are only open for " Health Care Professionals " such as > Nurses, GP's, Physiotherapists, Massage Therapist and such BUT are > seen as full blown Acupuncture qualifications! > > However, they seem much more thorough and serious then the crash > courses offered by the British Medical Acupuncture Society. > > Just wandering if anyone on here as taken either diploma, how the > course was structured, how informative it was...etc. And of course > what some of the BSc Acupuncturists think about these courses! > > Mario > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Thank you Gordon and Attilio, I find the whole Acupuncture education jungle in the UK quite confusing to be honest. There are quite a few " shoulds and coulds " here and the BAcC doesn't seem to be the best solution for the problem either. What puts me off so called " BAcC approved colleges " is their horrendous fees! £4000-5000 per year for 3 years of weekend courses is not something that I can afford just like that. I seriously think its overpriced! Uni Westminster does a fantastic course which is less then £1500 per year but their course is not weekend based but some days Monday to Friday...for 5-6 years! How important is BAcC membership/accreditation anyway? Attilio, you mentioned that AcuMedic is quite well known. They seem to be linked in one way or another with an organisation called the CHINESE MEDICAL INSTITUTE AND REGISTER (CMIR) and teach something called SYNDROME ACUPUNCTURE which is - as AcuMedic says - THE acupuncture technique used in China today. Looking a bit closer I wound't be surprised though is AcuMedic founded the CMIR ;-) I wonder if anyone on THIS LIST has done the AcuMedic course or the course of the College of Naturopathic and Complementary Medicine in East Grinstead (www.naturopathy-uk.com)who also offers a degree in Acupuncture and is in the process of accreditation with the BAcC!? Their fees are also quite reasonable...just under £2000 per year for 3-4 years - not to confuse with the International College of Oriental Medicine who charge about £4800 per year for theiw weekend course. me thinks! Chinese Medicine , " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > Hi Gordon, > > I was not making reference to any difference in a part time to a full time > course, so long as the part time course equals the same time in hours as a > full time course. > > Of course its a lifetime of learning, this goes without saying. But if you > don't have a good foundation then you are unlikely to get very far. > > Warm regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. > Company Director > The Earth Health Clinic > 0208 367 8378 > enquiries@t... > <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Gordon > Mullins > 01 December 2005 11:26 > Chinese Medicine > Re: UK TCM training AcuMedic + Asante? > > > Hi Attilio, > > No disrespect to you on your views, ----> " Anything else would be a lesser > form of > acupuncture, a waste of time and you will never really have a good > foundation in TCM and nor will you be respected by any other truly qualified > acupuncturist. " > But doing a course full time compared to a part time course does not make > you a truly qualified acupuncturist. It requires passion, energy and desire, > the true Traditional Chinese Medical Practioneer will spend more than 8 > months, more than 3.5 years. Its a life time of learning, my own view is the > quality of information received and the quality of lectures are core. Its > not just about just learning about needle points and learning what each > point helps with on a Western Medical basis, eg, client with toothache, and > automatically use Hegu, as the point, you need to usnderstand, the patterns, > understand the basics and build on that. > > I agree on regulation, I have seen Western doctors do a 6 week course on > Acupuncture and practice on the 7th week. With no solid foundation. I always > find that practioneers who practice, always feel their training was best. > Thats how I felt, but now after time feel different. This medicine every day > is a continuous learning, the day you stop learning is the day you should > stop practicing. My advice to you is to see if you can speak to previous > students of the colleges, they will give you a true insight......... > > Best of Luck with the search. > > Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Hi, Yes, there is alot of confusion out there. Some of the BAC accredited schools are expensive, as they are private colleges. Others, for example Westminster, full under the British University system, UCAS and will therefore be alot cheaper, as you said £1500 per year. If your a UK citizen, your local authority will pay this for you. Middlesex University also offers a similar course to Westminster at about £1500+ per year and is going through BAC accreditation, check it out at www.mdx.ac.uk Acumedic and the Chinese Medical Institute and Register are owned and run by the same person. The CMIR isn't a particularly big association and therefore isn't greatly respected. Syndrome acupuncture is basically what we all use to treat patients, so that's nothing unique. BAC membership is nice but not a necessity. Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. Company Director The Earth Health Clinic 0208 367 8378 enquiries <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of OmoObatala 01 December 2005 13:59 Chinese Medicine Re: UK TCM training AcuMedic + Asante? Thank you Gordon and Attilio, I find the whole Acupuncture education jungle in the UK quite confusing to be honest. There are quite a few " shoulds and coulds " here and the BAcC doesn't seem to be the best solution for the problem either. What puts me off so called " BAcC approved colleges " is their horrendous fees! £4000-5000 per year for 3 years of weekend courses is not something that I can afford just like that. I seriously think its overpriced! Uni Westminster does a fantastic course which is less then £1500 per year but their course is not weekend based but some days Monday to Friday...for 5-6 years! How important is BAcC membership/accreditation anyway? Attilio, you mentioned that AcuMedic is quite well known. They seem to be linked in one way or another with an organisation called the CHINESE MEDICAL INSTITUTE AND REGISTER (CMIR) and teach something called SYNDROME ACUPUNCTURE which is - as AcuMedic says - THE acupuncture technique used in China today. Looking a bit closer I wound't be surprised though is AcuMedic founded the CMIR ;-) I wonder if anyone on THIS LIST has done the AcuMedic course or the course of the College of Naturopathic and Complementary Medicine in East Grinstead (www.naturopathy-uk.com)who also offers a degree in Acupuncture and is in the process of accreditation with the BAcC!? Their fees are also quite reasonable...just under £2000 per year for 3-4 years - not to confuse with the International College of Oriental Medicine who charge about £4800 per year for theiw weekend course. me thinks! Chinese Medicine , " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > Hi Gordon, > > I was not making reference to any difference in a part time to a full time > course, so long as the part time course equals the same time in hours as a > full time course. > > Of course its a lifetime of learning, this goes without saying. But if you > don't have a good foundation then you are unlikely to get very far. > > Warm regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. > Company Director > The Earth Health Clinic > 0208 367 8378 > enquiries@t... > <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Gordon > Mullins > 01 December 2005 11:26 > Chinese Medicine > Re: UK TCM training AcuMedic + Asante? > > > Hi Attilio, > > No disrespect to you on your views, ----> " Anything else would be a lesser > form of > acupuncture, a waste of time and you will never really have a good > foundation in TCM and nor will you be respected by any other truly qualified > acupuncturist. " > But doing a course full time compared to a part time course does not make > you a truly qualified acupuncturist. It requires passion, energy and desire, > the true Traditional Chinese Medical Practioneer will spend more than 8 > months, more than 3.5 years. Its a life time of learning, my own view is the > quality of information received and the quality of lectures are core. Its > not just about just learning about needle points and learning what each > point helps with on a Western Medical basis, eg, client with toothache, and > automatically use Hegu, as the point, you need to usnderstand, the patterns, > understand the basics and build on that. > > I agree on regulation, I have seen Western doctors do a 6 week course on > Acupuncture and practice on the 7th week. With no solid foundation. I always > find that practioneers who practice, always feel their training was best. > Thats how I felt, but now after time feel different. This medicine every day > is a continuous learning, the day you stop learning is the day you should > stop practicing. My advice to you is to see if you can speak to previous > students of the colleges, they will give you a true insight......... > > Best of Luck with the search. > > Gordon. Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. 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