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Hi All,

 

Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction is a tricky

subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8 years and have now been

clean this time for over 13. After many years of trying various types of therapy

(including 1 year of weekly of TCM) I can honestly say for myself that it is my

work in 12 Step fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that made the difference. Until I

surrendered and understood that I could not " work out " how to get well and

listen to others who had - nothing rally stuck. Once I had that as a base I

could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to make progress. I have been in practice

as an acupuncturist for about 9 years and am now part of society, not a burden

on it. This is just my experience.

 

Gye

 

 

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The link is not dead. Check your firewall settings, as its probably blocking

it.

 

Warm regards,

 

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Pete

Theisen

07 November 2005 04:51

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Attilio D'Alberto wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> I've also studied the NADA protocol in the treatment of cocaine

> addiction, see http://tinyurl.com/b2nqb

 

Hi Attilio!

 

Dead link. What was it before they took it down?

 

Regards,

 

Pete

 

 

 

 

 

http://babel.altavista.com/

 

 

and adjust

accordingly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nice pic.

 

As many times as you can really. Due to lifestyle limitations, I treat

people 3 times a week for the first two weeks. I use additional body points

and patents.

 

Warm regards,

 

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Pete

Theisen

07 November 2005 05:00

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Attilio D'Alberto wrote:

<snip>

> Maria: Got any needles for that?

>

> Attilio: I'll ignore that odd question.

 

Hi Attilio!

 

I seem to have missed the frequency of the NADA treatment. How often is

it given? I found a nice link for the points.

 

<http://www.yinyanghouse.com/auricular/aurnada.html#nada>

 

Regards,

 

Pete

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://babel.altavista.com/

 

 

and adjust

accordingly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Gye,

 

Many thanks for speaking up. I didn't have the guts to be the first one to

state on a public forum that I was a previous drug user. I've taken copious

amounts of both hard and soft drugs for a decade. My personal poison was

cannabis with a mix of other substances. To be honest, I've been constantly

stoned for over 8 years. Drugs in the UK are so woven into normal daily life

of millions of people, its difficult to avoid them. I kicked the habit by

analysing the destructive properties upon my Zangfu, both in their

energetics, emotions and spirits from a TCM perspective. This is why I say

to all those that say the Shen is the root that its is like ice and

underneath the ice is the Kidney!

 

Warm regards,

 

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Gye

Bennetts

07 November 2005 07:42

Chinese Medicine

Drug Use & TCM

 

 

Hi All,

 

Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction is a tricky

subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8 years and have now

been clean this time for over 13. After many years of trying various types

of therapy (including 1 year of weekly of TCM) I can honestly say for myself

that it is my work in 12 Step fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that made the

difference. Until I surrendered and understood that I could not " work out "

how to get well and listen to others who had - nothing rally stuck. Once I

had that as a base I could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to make progress.

I have been in practice as an acupuncturist for about 9 years and am now

part of society, not a burden on it. This is just my experience.

 

Gye

 

 

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Attilio D'Alberto wrote:

> The link is not dead. Check your firewall settings, as its probably

> blocking

 

Hi Attilio!

 

Firewall settings block a web page? All the other web pages are getting

through just fine.

 

Wait, this isn't one of those obsolete web pages that requires Internet

Explorer, is it? If it is, well shame on them for not upgrading under

the circumstances.

 

I *never* use IE, and never use Windows on the web. Can't afford the

risk of getting spyware on the computer with patient data and all.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

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If your not using internet explorer, then you'll have to hunt for the

document yourself. Look in the files section for one titled " DALBERTO FULL

TEXT " .

 

Spyware for your patient files? Aren't you being a little paranoid? Who

wants to view your patient files?

 

Warm regards,

 

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Pete

Theisen

07 November 2005 08:36

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Attilio D'Alberto wrote:

> The link is not dead. Check your firewall settings, as its probably

> blocking

 

Hi Attilio!

 

Firewall settings block a web page? All the other web pages are getting

through just fine.

 

Wait, this isn't one of those obsolete web pages that requires Internet

Explorer, is it? If it is, well shame on them for not upgrading under

the circumstances.

 

I *never* use IE, and never use Windows on the web. Can't afford the

risk of getting spyware on the computer with patient data and all.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://babel.altavista.com/

 

 

and adjust

accordingly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Very moving, Attilio. Thank you for being so open, so we all can learn.

 

Anne

 

Attilio D'Alberto wrote:

 

> Hi Gye,

>

> Many thanks for speaking up. I didn't have the guts to be the first one to

> state on a public forum that I was a previous drug user. I've taken

> copious

> amounts of both hard and soft drugs for a decade. My personal poison was

> cannabis with a mix of other substances. To be honest, I've been

> constantly

> stoned for over 8 years. Drugs in the UK are so woven into normal

> daily life

> of millions of people, its difficult to avoid them. I kicked the habit by

> analysing the destructive properties upon my Zangfu, both in their

> energetics, emotions and spirits from a TCM perspective. This is why I say

> to all those that say the Shen is the root that its is like ice and

> underneath the ice is the Kidney!

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Attilio D'Alberto

> Doctor of (Beijing, China)

> B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

> Company Director

> The Earth Health Clinic

> 0208 367 8378

> enquiries

> <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Gye

> Bennetts

> 07 November 2005 07:42

> Chinese Medicine

> Drug Use & TCM

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction is a tricky

> subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8 years and

> have now

> been clean this time for over 13. After many years of trying various types

> of therapy (including 1 year of weekly of TCM) I can honestly say for

> myself

> that it is my work in 12 Step fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that made the

> difference. Until I surrendered and understood that I could not " work

> out "

> how to get well and listen to others who had - nothing rally stuck. Once I

> had that as a base I could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to make

> progress.

> I have been in practice as an acupuncturist for about 9 years and am now

> part of society, not a burden on it. This is just my experience.

>

> Gye

>

>

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Hi Gye,

 

I suppose you would have an interesting perspective on this with

such a background. I suppose that is why most people with experience

in treating addiction to various substances always emphasise the use

of psychological intervention, and why TCM practitioners often aim

their tx. at the Shen and its related counterparts.

 

Thanks,

 

David White

 

P.S. How did the group of seminars go? I heard some nice feedback.

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Gye Bennetts "

<five-element@o...> wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction is

a tricky subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8

years and have now been clean this time for over 13. After many

years of trying various types of therapy (including 1 year of weekly

of TCM) I can honestly say for myself that it is my work in 12 Step

fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that made the difference. Until I

surrendered and understood that I could not " work out " how to get

well and listen to others who had - nothing rally stuck. Once I had

that as a base I could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to make

progress. I have been in practice as an acupuncturist for about 9

years and am now part of society, not a burden on it. This is just

my experience.

>

> Gye

>

>

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This is an interesting side-topic.

 

Do you guys think that your experience with addiction helped you

understand what your patients were going through? Or do you think

that because of your personal experience that somehow and someway

your treatments and perspectives might be bias?

 

I got into TCM and Martial Arts very young and hence do not have any

experience with such things (tried a cigarette when i was 14 didn't

like it - never had one again). So my first hand knowledge is very

limited.

 

Attilio, i agree, however (from my experience), that the Shen is

a " break through " point, and that underlying is the Deficiency of

the Zang - Fu, particularly the Kidneys.

 

Thanks,

 

David White

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Attilio

D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote:

>

> Hi Gye,

>

> Many thanks for speaking up. I didn't have the guts to be the

first one to

> state on a public forum that I was a previous drug user. I've

taken copious

> amounts of both hard and soft drugs for a decade. My personal

poison was

> cannabis with a mix of other substances. To be honest, I've been

constantly

> stoned for over 8 years. Drugs in the UK are so woven into normal

daily life

> of millions of people, its difficult to avoid them. I kicked the

habit by

> analysing the destructive properties upon my Zangfu, both in their

> energetics, emotions and spirits from a TCM perspective. This is

why I say

> to all those that say the Shen is the root that its is like ice and

> underneath the ice is the Kidney!

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Attilio D'Alberto

> Doctor of (Beijing, China)

> B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

> Company Director

> The Earth Health Clinic

> 0208 367 8378

> enquiries@t...

> <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/>

www.theearthhealthclinic.com

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of

Gye

> Bennetts

> 07 November 2005 07:42

> Chinese Medicine

> Drug Use & TCM

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction is

a tricky

> subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8 years and

have now

> been clean this time for over 13. After many years of trying

various types

> of therapy (including 1 year of weekly of TCM) I can honestly say

for myself

> that it is my work in 12 Step fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that made

the

> difference. Until I surrendered and understood that I could

not " work out "

> how to get well and listen to others who had - nothing rally

stuck. Once I

> had that as a base I could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to make

progress.

> I have been in practice as an acupuncturist for about 9 years and

am now

> part of society, not a burden on it. This is just my experience.

>

> Gye

>

>

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Attilio D'Alberto wrote:

> If your not using internet explorer, then you'll have to hunt for the

> document yourself. Look in the files section for one titled

> " DALBERTO FULL TEXT " .

>

> Spyware for your patient files? Aren't you being a little paranoid?

> Who wants to view your patient files?

 

Hi Attilio!

 

I have it now, thanks. It is in a subdirectory, however, " Files >

Articles > Acupuncture " .

 

It is not that anyone wants to view the patient files, but that in the

US the law requires us to protect them *as*though* someone wanted to,

Bill Clinton's HIPPA law.

 

I think " Filthy Bill " wanted a distraction from what he was *really*

doing when he rammed all these stupid sort of things through. I believe

the Brits originated a saying " Much Ado About Nothing " .

 

Regards,

 

Pete

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Hi David,

 

I think that my experience with addiction has given me a valuable insight

into what goes on in an addicts mind, why they take it and what stops them

from quitting. Just yesterday I treated a patient for alcohol addiction and

although its not my preferred poison, actually hate the stuff, I was still

able to connect with him, discuss why it started, why the body still wants

it, how it has shaped him and how he can quit the habit.

 

Everyone views drugs as a kind of negative thing, but they do actually have

their uses. This is why people start to take them in the first place and

this is the root of the addiction. Drugs help people get over their

problems, their inadequacies and help them become the better person they

strive for. In yesterday's patient case, the alcohol helped him overcome his

shyness and allowed him to integrate into society and become a more social,

talkative person. He felt included and a part of something. The root, fear

of course. Shyness, a lack of love for oneself, inadequacies all come from

fear. Sure, its the Shen that makes the consciousness decision to take a

substance, but its trying to find a solution to the kidney's

problem/deficiency. This I believe, falls under the heart and kidney mutual

assistance mechanism.

 

So drugs actually serve a purpose. It's when the drug has 'done its job'

that the real addiction actually starts. From the point when the fear has

been resolved by the drug, the body then constantly requires this

intervention believing it is still dependant upon it. The body adapts quite

quickly to its external environment and things that are introduced into it.

It soon becomes dependant upon then as if their were necessities like food

and water. One part of addiction therapy is getting the body off the

dependency and that's where the NADA protocol comes in. The root involvement

of the kidney is the reason why I campaigned against the boys at Yale to get

the kidney point included back into their research. Another part of drug

therapy is helping them fill the gap that non-drug taking creates. Another

important part of drug therapy is showing the person how much their

character has been shaped by drug addiction. Just as the body becomes

dependant upon the substance so does the Shen and its actually shaped by the

drug itself. This is not so easy to show the addict and is a valuable

insight I learned through my own drug taking. Drugs open new doors to new

thinking and over a long period of time, turn dark and shape the Shen in a

negative way. Of course, different drugs have a greater shaping effect upon

the Shen than others.

 

This Shen shaping will usually create a new set of inadequacies bringing the

addict back to square 1 as the pattern moves back to the kidney (fear)

through the mutual assistance of fire and water. Taking the predominant Shen

problem will still leave the root kidney problems and if they are not

resolved, the person is likely to continue drug taking.

 

Warm regards,

 

Attilio D'Alberto

Doctor of (Beijing, China)

B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

Company Director

The Earth Health Clinic

0208 367 8378

enquiries

<http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of sydneytcm

08 November 2005 02:29

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Re: Drug Use & TCM

 

 

This is an interesting side-topic.

 

Do you guys think that your experience with addiction helped you

understand what your patients were going through? Or do you think

that because of your personal experience that somehow and someway

your treatments and perspectives might be bias?

 

I got into TCM and Martial Arts very young and hence do not have any

experience with such things (tried a cigarette when i was 14 didn't

like it - never had one again). So my first hand knowledge is very

limited.

 

Attilio, i agree, however (from my experience), that the Shen is

a " break through " point, and that underlying is the Deficiency of

the Zang - Fu, particularly the Kidneys.

 

Thanks,

 

David White

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Attilio

D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote:

>

> Hi Gye,

>

> Many thanks for speaking up. I didn't have the guts to be the

first one to

> state on a public forum that I was a previous drug user. I've

taken copious

> amounts of both hard and soft drugs for a decade. My personal

poison was

> cannabis with a mix of other substances. To be honest, I've been

constantly

> stoned for over 8 years. Drugs in the UK are so woven into normal

daily life

> of millions of people, its difficult to avoid them. I kicked the

habit by

> analysing the destructive properties upon my Zangfu, both in their

> energetics, emotions and spirits from a TCM perspective. This is

why I say

> to all those that say the Shen is the root that its is like ice and

> underneath the ice is the Kidney!

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Attilio D'Alberto

> Doctor of (Beijing, China)

> B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

> Company Director

> The Earth Health Clinic

> 0208 367 8378

> enquiries@t...

> <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/>

www.theearthhealthclinic.com

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of

Gye

> Bennetts

> 07 November 2005 07:42

> Chinese Medicine

> Drug Use & TCM

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction is

a tricky

> subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8 years and

have now

> been clean this time for over 13. After many years of trying

various types

> of therapy (including 1 year of weekly of TCM) I can honestly say

for myself

> that it is my work in 12 Step fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that made

the

> difference. Until I surrendered and understood that I could

not " work out "

> how to get well and listen to others who had - nothing rally

stuck. Once I

> had that as a base I could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to make

progress.

> I have been in practice as an acupuncturist for about 9 years and

am now

> part of society, not a burden on it. This is just my experience.

>

> Gye

>

>

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I think that my experience with addiction has given me a valuable insight

into what goes on in an addicts mind, why they take it and what stops them

from quitting. Just yesterday I treated a patient for alcohol addiction and

although its not my preferred poison, actually hate the stuff, I was still

able to connect with him, discuss why it started, why the body still wants

it, how it has shaped him and how he can quit the habit.

 

Everyone views drugs as a kind of negative thing, but they do actually have

their uses. This is why people start to take them in the first place and

this is the root of the addiction. Drugs help people get over their

problems, their inadequacies and help them become the better person they

strive for. In yesterday's patient case, the alcohol helped him overcome his

shyness and allowed him to integrate into society and become a more social,

talkative person. He felt included and a part of something. The root, fear

of course. Shyness, a lack of love for oneself, inadequacies all come from

fear. Sure, its the Shen that makes the consciousness decision to take a

substance, but its trying to find a solution to the kidney's

problem/deficiency. This I believe, falls under the heart and kidney mutual

assistance mechanism.

 

So drugs actually serve a purpose. It's when the drug has 'done its job'

that the real addiction actually starts. From the point when the fear has

been resolved by the drug, the body then constantly requires this

intervention believing it is still dependant upon it. The body adapts quite

quickly to its external environment and things that are introduced into it.

It soon becomes dependant upon then as if their were necessities like food

and water. One part of addiction therapy is getting the body off the

dependency and that's where the NADA protocol comes in. The root involvement

of the kidney is the reason why I campaigned against the boys at Yale to get

the kidney point included back into their research. Another part of drug

therapy is helping them fill the gap that non-drug taking creates. Another

important part of drug therapy is showing the person how much their

character has been shaped by drug addiction. Just as the body becomes

dependant upon the substance so does the Shen and its actually shaped by the

drug itself. This is not so easy to show the addict and is a valuable

insight I learned through my own drug taking. Drugs open new doors to new

thinking and over a long period of time, turn dark and shape the Shen in a

negative way. Of course, different drugs have a greater shaping effect upon

the Shen than others.

 

This Shen shaping will usually create a new set of inadequacies bringing the

addict back to square 1 as the pattern moves back to the kidney (fear)

through the mutual assistance of fire and water. Taking the predominant Shen

problem will still leave the root kidney problems and if they are not

resolved, the person is likely to continue drug taking.

 

 

*TESTIMONY FROM A RECOVERED ADDICT*

 

 

 

Dr. Amy Calibuso, LMT, AP.DOM

Doctor of Oriental Medicine

 

 

 

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Hey Attilio,

 

Very interesting perspective - i agree that they do serve a purpose

for the individual, a kind of escapism if you will.

 

" Drugs help people get over their

> problems, their inadequacies and help them become the better

person they

> strive for. "

 

However, and this is where TCM theroy may come into play, when

something is done excessively, when the individual is addicted it

may turn on them and become harmful - promote the fear etc. that may

have been what they were trying to rid themselves of in the first

place. This is the major harm of substance abuse - its effects on

the psyche and the body in more long term settings, especially with

such drugs as cocaine and heroin. Once there is an actual addiction

it becomes more of a battle.

 

" The root involvement

> of the kidney is the reason why I campaigned against the boys at

Yale to get

> the kidney point included back into their research. "

 

Yes, after reading your paper, and conducting my own review (even

though i didn't directly review the NADA protocol) i found this to

be an unexplained waste in the treatments of many studies conducted.

I too saw it as fundamental in Auricular Acupuncture and i see it as

fundamental in Herbs and Body Acupuncture.

 

I often see, in studies and in others clinical practice that often

people have relapses and the fact, much like you explained, that

they do not address the underlying root cause and effect of the

condition often results in patients either restarting their abuse or

directing it on something else - which is why methadone is wrong.

 

In fact, i was discussing the use of Methadone with a Doctor friend

of mine who works in Pain Management in a prison in NSW and his

concept was - methadone is no good for users, but as long as they

didn't end up stealing his car radio in the future who cares! This

was due to many studies showing that methadone users have low

criminality records etc. I was disgusted!!

 

Regards,

 

David White

 

Chinese Medicine , " Attilio

D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote:

>

> Hi David,

>

> I think that my experience with addiction has given me a valuable

insight

> into what goes on in an addicts mind, why they take it and what

stops them

> from quitting. Just yesterday I treated a patient for alcohol

addiction and

> although its not my preferred poison, actually hate the stuff, I

was still

> able to connect with him, discuss why it started, why the body

still wants

> it, how it has shaped him and how he can quit the habit.

>

> Everyone views drugs as a kind of negative thing, but they do

actually have

> their uses. This is why people start to take them in the first

place and

> this is the root of the addiction. Drugs help people get over their

> problems, their inadequacies and help them become the better

person they

> strive for. In yesterday's patient case, the alcohol helped him

overcome his

> shyness and allowed him to integrate into society and become a

more social,

> talkative person. He felt included and a part of something. The

root, fear

> of course. Shyness, a lack of love for oneself, inadequacies all

come from

> fear. Sure, its the Shen that makes the consciousness decision to

take a

> substance, but its trying to find a solution to the kidney's

> problem/deficiency. This I believe, falls under the heart and

kidney mutual

> assistance mechanism.

>

> So drugs actually serve a purpose. It's when the drug has 'done

its job'

> that the real addiction actually starts. From the point when the

fear has

> been resolved by the drug, the body then constantly requires this

> intervention believing it is still dependant upon it. The body

adapts quite

> quickly to its external environment and things that are introduced

into it.

> It soon becomes dependant upon then as if their were necessities

like food

> and water. One part of addiction therapy is getting the body off

the

> dependency and that's where the NADA protocol comes in. The root

involvement

> of the kidney is the reason why I campaigned against the boys at

Yale to get

> the kidney point included back into their research. Another part

of drug

> therapy is helping them fill the gap that non-drug taking creates.

Another

> important part of drug therapy is showing the person how much their

> character has been shaped by drug addiction. Just as the body

becomes

> dependant upon the substance so does the Shen and its actually

shaped by the

> drug itself. This is not so easy to show the addict and is a

valuable

> insight I learned through my own drug taking. Drugs open new doors

to new

> thinking and over a long period of time, turn dark and shape the

Shen in a

> negative way. Of course, different drugs have a greater shaping

effect upon

> the Shen than others.

>

> This Shen shaping will usually create a new set of inadequacies

bringing the

> addict back to square 1 as the pattern moves back to the kidney

(fear)

> through the mutual assistance of fire and water. Taking the

predominant Shen

> problem will still leave the root kidney problems and if they are

not

> resolved, the person is likely to continue drug taking.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Attilio D'Alberto

> Doctor of (Beijing, China)

> B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

> Company Director

> The Earth Health Clinic

> 0208 367 8378

> enquiries@t...

> <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/>

www.theearthhealthclinic.com

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of

sydneytcm

> 08 November 2005 02:29

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: Drug Use & TCM

>

>

> This is an interesting side-topic.

>

> Do you guys think that your experience with addiction helped you

> understand what your patients were going through? Or do you think

> that because of your personal experience that somehow and someway

> your treatments and perspectives might be bias?

>

> I got into TCM and Martial Arts very young and hence do not have

any

> experience with such things (tried a cigarette when i was 14

didn't

> like it - never had one again). So my first hand knowledge is very

> limited.

>

> Attilio, i agree, however (from my experience), that the Shen is

> a " break through " point, and that underlying is the Deficiency of

> the Zang - Fu, particularly the Kidneys.

>

> Thanks,

>

> David White

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine , " Attilio

> D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Gye,

> >

> > Many thanks for speaking up. I didn't have the guts to be the

> first one to

> > state on a public forum that I was a previous drug user. I've

> taken copious

> > amounts of both hard and soft drugs for a decade. My personal

> poison was

> > cannabis with a mix of other substances. To be honest, I've been

> constantly

> > stoned for over 8 years. Drugs in the UK are so woven into

normal

> daily life

> > of millions of people, its difficult to avoid them. I kicked the

> habit by

> > analysing the destructive properties upon my Zangfu, both in

their

> > energetics, emotions and spirits from a TCM perspective. This is

> why I say

> > to all those that say the Shen is the root that its is like ice

and

> > underneath the ice is the Kidney!

> >

> > Warm regards,

> >

> > Attilio D'Alberto

> > Doctor of (Beijing, China)

> > B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M.

> > Company Director

> > The Earth Health Clinic

> > 0208 367 8378

> > enquiries@t...

> > <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/>

> www.theearthhealthclinic.com

> >

> >

> > Chinese Medicine

> > Chinese Medicine On Behalf

Of

> Gye

> > Bennetts

> > 07 November 2005 07:42

> > Chinese Medicine

> > Drug Use & TCM

> >

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction

is

> a tricky

> > subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8 years

and

> have now

> > been clean this time for over 13. After many years of trying

> various types

> > of therapy (including 1 year of weekly of TCM) I can honestly

say

> for myself

> > that it is my work in 12 Step fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that

made

> the

> > difference. Until I surrendered and understood that I could

> not " work out "

> > how to get well and listen to others who had - nothing rally

> stuck. Once I

> > had that as a base I could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to

make

> progress.

> > I have been in practice as an acupuncturist for about 9 years

and

> am now

> > part of society, not a burden on it. This is just my experience.

> >

> > Gye

> >

> >

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methadone is no good for users, but as long as they

didn't end up stealing his car radio in the future who cares! This

was due to many studies showing that methadone users have low

criminality records etc. I was disgusted

>>>>>

Methadone is long acting and can be a life saver for those with severe pain that

cannot be touched without narcotics. It is also a fairly safe drug, although a

drug such as Subitex, an agonist antagonist, may be better but much less

available and much more expensive.

 

 

 

 

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