Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Hi All, Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction is a tricky subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8 years and have now been clean this time for over 13. After many years of trying various types of therapy (including 1 year of weekly of TCM) I can honestly say for myself that it is my work in 12 Step fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that made the difference. Until I surrendered and understood that I could not " work out " how to get well and listen to others who had - nothing rally stuck. Once I had that as a base I could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to make progress. I have been in practice as an acupuncturist for about 9 years and am now part of society, not a burden on it. This is just my experience. Gye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 The link is not dead. Check your firewall settings, as its probably blocking it. Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. Company Director The Earth Health Clinic 0208 367 8378 enquiries <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Pete Theisen 07 November 2005 04:51 Chinese Medicine Re: Re: Drug Use & TCM Attilio D'Alberto wrote: > Hi all, > > I've also studied the NADA protocol in the treatment of cocaine > addiction, see http://tinyurl.com/b2nqb Hi Attilio! Dead link. What was it before they took it down? Regards, Pete http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Nice pic. As many times as you can really. Due to lifestyle limitations, I treat people 3 times a week for the first two weeks. I use additional body points and patents. Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. Company Director The Earth Health Clinic 0208 367 8378 enquiries <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Pete Theisen 07 November 2005 05:00 Chinese Medicine Re: Re: Drug Use & TCM Attilio D'Alberto wrote: <snip> > Maria: Got any needles for that? > > Attilio: I'll ignore that odd question. Hi Attilio! I seem to have missed the frequency of the NADA treatment. How often is it given? I found a nice link for the points. <http://www.yinyanghouse.com/auricular/aurnada.html#nada> Regards, Pete http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Hi Gye, Many thanks for speaking up. I didn't have the guts to be the first one to state on a public forum that I was a previous drug user. I've taken copious amounts of both hard and soft drugs for a decade. My personal poison was cannabis with a mix of other substances. To be honest, I've been constantly stoned for over 8 years. Drugs in the UK are so woven into normal daily life of millions of people, its difficult to avoid them. I kicked the habit by analysing the destructive properties upon my Zangfu, both in their energetics, emotions and spirits from a TCM perspective. This is why I say to all those that say the Shen is the root that its is like ice and underneath the ice is the Kidney! Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. Company Director The Earth Health Clinic 0208 367 8378 enquiries <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Gye Bennetts 07 November 2005 07:42 Chinese Medicine Drug Use & TCM Hi All, Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction is a tricky subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8 years and have now been clean this time for over 13. After many years of trying various types of therapy (including 1 year of weekly of TCM) I can honestly say for myself that it is my work in 12 Step fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that made the difference. Until I surrendered and understood that I could not " work out " how to get well and listen to others who had - nothing rally stuck. Once I had that as a base I could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to make progress. I have been in practice as an acupuncturist for about 9 years and am now part of society, not a burden on it. This is just my experience. Gye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Attilio D'Alberto wrote: > The link is not dead. Check your firewall settings, as its probably > blocking Hi Attilio! Firewall settings block a web page? All the other web pages are getting through just fine. Wait, this isn't one of those obsolete web pages that requires Internet Explorer, is it? If it is, well shame on them for not upgrading under the circumstances. I *never* use IE, and never use Windows on the web. Can't afford the risk of getting spyware on the computer with patient data and all. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 If your not using internet explorer, then you'll have to hunt for the document yourself. Look in the files section for one titled " DALBERTO FULL TEXT " . Spyware for your patient files? Aren't you being a little paranoid? Who wants to view your patient files? Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. Company Director The Earth Health Clinic 0208 367 8378 enquiries <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Pete Theisen 07 November 2005 08:36 Chinese Medicine Re: Re: Drug Use & TCM Attilio D'Alberto wrote: > The link is not dead. Check your firewall settings, as its probably > blocking Hi Attilio! Firewall settings block a web page? All the other web pages are getting through just fine. Wait, this isn't one of those obsolete web pages that requires Internet Explorer, is it? If it is, well shame on them for not upgrading under the circumstances. I *never* use IE, and never use Windows on the web. Can't afford the risk of getting spyware on the computer with patient data and all. Regards, Pete http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Very moving, Attilio. Thank you for being so open, so we all can learn. Anne Attilio D'Alberto wrote: > Hi Gye, > > Many thanks for speaking up. I didn't have the guts to be the first one to > state on a public forum that I was a previous drug user. I've taken > copious > amounts of both hard and soft drugs for a decade. My personal poison was > cannabis with a mix of other substances. To be honest, I've been > constantly > stoned for over 8 years. Drugs in the UK are so woven into normal > daily life > of millions of people, its difficult to avoid them. I kicked the habit by > analysing the destructive properties upon my Zangfu, both in their > energetics, emotions and spirits from a TCM perspective. This is why I say > to all those that say the Shen is the root that its is like ice and > underneath the ice is the Kidney! > > Warm regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. > Company Director > The Earth Health Clinic > 0208 367 8378 > enquiries > <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Gye > Bennetts > 07 November 2005 07:42 > Chinese Medicine > Drug Use & TCM > > > Hi All, > > Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction is a tricky > subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8 years and > have now > been clean this time for over 13. After many years of trying various types > of therapy (including 1 year of weekly of TCM) I can honestly say for > myself > that it is my work in 12 Step fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that made the > difference. Until I surrendered and understood that I could not " work > out " > how to get well and listen to others who had - nothing rally stuck. Once I > had that as a base I could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to make > progress. > I have been in practice as an acupuncturist for about 9 years and am now > part of society, not a burden on it. This is just my experience. > > Gye > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Hi Gye, I suppose you would have an interesting perspective on this with such a background. I suppose that is why most people with experience in treating addiction to various substances always emphasise the use of psychological intervention, and why TCM practitioners often aim their tx. at the Shen and its related counterparts. Thanks, David White P.S. How did the group of seminars go? I heard some nice feedback. Chinese Medicine , " Gye Bennetts " <five-element@o...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction is a tricky subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8 years and have now been clean this time for over 13. After many years of trying various types of therapy (including 1 year of weekly of TCM) I can honestly say for myself that it is my work in 12 Step fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that made the difference. Until I surrendered and understood that I could not " work out " how to get well and listen to others who had - nothing rally stuck. Once I had that as a base I could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to make progress. I have been in practice as an acupuncturist for about 9 years and am now part of society, not a burden on it. This is just my experience. > > Gye > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 This is an interesting side-topic. Do you guys think that your experience with addiction helped you understand what your patients were going through? Or do you think that because of your personal experience that somehow and someway your treatments and perspectives might be bias? I got into TCM and Martial Arts very young and hence do not have any experience with such things (tried a cigarette when i was 14 didn't like it - never had one again). So my first hand knowledge is very limited. Attilio, i agree, however (from my experience), that the Shen is a " break through " point, and that underlying is the Deficiency of the Zang - Fu, particularly the Kidneys. Thanks, David White Chinese Medicine , " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > Hi Gye, > > Many thanks for speaking up. I didn't have the guts to be the first one to > state on a public forum that I was a previous drug user. I've taken copious > amounts of both hard and soft drugs for a decade. My personal poison was > cannabis with a mix of other substances. To be honest, I've been constantly > stoned for over 8 years. Drugs in the UK are so woven into normal daily life > of millions of people, its difficult to avoid them. I kicked the habit by > analysing the destructive properties upon my Zangfu, both in their > energetics, emotions and spirits from a TCM perspective. This is why I say > to all those that say the Shen is the root that its is like ice and > underneath the ice is the Kidney! > > Warm regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. > Company Director > The Earth Health Clinic > 0208 367 8378 > enquiries@t... > <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Gye > Bennetts > 07 November 2005 07:42 > Chinese Medicine > Drug Use & TCM > > > Hi All, > > Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction is a tricky > subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8 years and have now > been clean this time for over 13. After many years of trying various types > of therapy (including 1 year of weekly of TCM) I can honestly say for myself > that it is my work in 12 Step fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that made the > difference. Until I surrendered and understood that I could not " work out " > how to get well and listen to others who had - nothing rally stuck. Once I > had that as a base I could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to make progress. > I have been in practice as an acupuncturist for about 9 years and am now > part of society, not a burden on it. This is just my experience. > > Gye > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Attilio D'Alberto wrote: > If your not using internet explorer, then you'll have to hunt for the > document yourself. Look in the files section for one titled > " DALBERTO FULL TEXT " . > > Spyware for your patient files? Aren't you being a little paranoid? > Who wants to view your patient files? Hi Attilio! I have it now, thanks. It is in a subdirectory, however, " Files > Articles > Acupuncture " . It is not that anyone wants to view the patient files, but that in the US the law requires us to protect them *as*though* someone wanted to, Bill Clinton's HIPPA law. I think " Filthy Bill " wanted a distraction from what he was *really* doing when he rammed all these stupid sort of things through. I believe the Brits originated a saying " Much Ado About Nothing " . Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Hi David, I think that my experience with addiction has given me a valuable insight into what goes on in an addicts mind, why they take it and what stops them from quitting. Just yesterday I treated a patient for alcohol addiction and although its not my preferred poison, actually hate the stuff, I was still able to connect with him, discuss why it started, why the body still wants it, how it has shaped him and how he can quit the habit. Everyone views drugs as a kind of negative thing, but they do actually have their uses. This is why people start to take them in the first place and this is the root of the addiction. Drugs help people get over their problems, their inadequacies and help them become the better person they strive for. In yesterday's patient case, the alcohol helped him overcome his shyness and allowed him to integrate into society and become a more social, talkative person. He felt included and a part of something. The root, fear of course. Shyness, a lack of love for oneself, inadequacies all come from fear. Sure, its the Shen that makes the consciousness decision to take a substance, but its trying to find a solution to the kidney's problem/deficiency. This I believe, falls under the heart and kidney mutual assistance mechanism. So drugs actually serve a purpose. It's when the drug has 'done its job' that the real addiction actually starts. From the point when the fear has been resolved by the drug, the body then constantly requires this intervention believing it is still dependant upon it. The body adapts quite quickly to its external environment and things that are introduced into it. It soon becomes dependant upon then as if their were necessities like food and water. One part of addiction therapy is getting the body off the dependency and that's where the NADA protocol comes in. The root involvement of the kidney is the reason why I campaigned against the boys at Yale to get the kidney point included back into their research. Another part of drug therapy is helping them fill the gap that non-drug taking creates. Another important part of drug therapy is showing the person how much their character has been shaped by drug addiction. Just as the body becomes dependant upon the substance so does the Shen and its actually shaped by the drug itself. This is not so easy to show the addict and is a valuable insight I learned through my own drug taking. Drugs open new doors to new thinking and over a long period of time, turn dark and shape the Shen in a negative way. Of course, different drugs have a greater shaping effect upon the Shen than others. This Shen shaping will usually create a new set of inadequacies bringing the addict back to square 1 as the pattern moves back to the kidney (fear) through the mutual assistance of fire and water. Taking the predominant Shen problem will still leave the root kidney problems and if they are not resolved, the person is likely to continue drug taking. Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. Company Director The Earth Health Clinic 0208 367 8378 enquiries <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of sydneytcm 08 November 2005 02:29 Chinese Medicine Re: Drug Use & TCM This is an interesting side-topic. Do you guys think that your experience with addiction helped you understand what your patients were going through? Or do you think that because of your personal experience that somehow and someway your treatments and perspectives might be bias? I got into TCM and Martial Arts very young and hence do not have any experience with such things (tried a cigarette when i was 14 didn't like it - never had one again). So my first hand knowledge is very limited. Attilio, i agree, however (from my experience), that the Shen is a " break through " point, and that underlying is the Deficiency of the Zang - Fu, particularly the Kidneys. Thanks, David White Chinese Medicine , " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > Hi Gye, > > Many thanks for speaking up. I didn't have the guts to be the first one to > state on a public forum that I was a previous drug user. I've taken copious > amounts of both hard and soft drugs for a decade. My personal poison was > cannabis with a mix of other substances. To be honest, I've been constantly > stoned for over 8 years. Drugs in the UK are so woven into normal daily life > of millions of people, its difficult to avoid them. I kicked the habit by > analysing the destructive properties upon my Zangfu, both in their > energetics, emotions and spirits from a TCM perspective. This is why I say > to all those that say the Shen is the root that its is like ice and > underneath the ice is the Kidney! > > Warm regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. > Company Director > The Earth Health Clinic > 0208 367 8378 > enquiries@t... > <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Gye > Bennetts > 07 November 2005 07:42 > Chinese Medicine > Drug Use & TCM > > > Hi All, > > Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction is a tricky > subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8 years and have now > been clean this time for over 13. After many years of trying various types > of therapy (including 1 year of weekly of TCM) I can honestly say for myself > that it is my work in 12 Step fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that made the > difference. Until I surrendered and understood that I could not " work out " > how to get well and listen to others who had - nothing rally stuck. Once I > had that as a base I could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to make progress. > I have been in practice as an acupuncturist for about 9 years and am now > part of society, not a burden on it. This is just my experience. > > Gye > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I think that my experience with addiction has given me a valuable insight into what goes on in an addicts mind, why they take it and what stops them from quitting. Just yesterday I treated a patient for alcohol addiction and although its not my preferred poison, actually hate the stuff, I was still able to connect with him, discuss why it started, why the body still wants it, how it has shaped him and how he can quit the habit. Everyone views drugs as a kind of negative thing, but they do actually have their uses. This is why people start to take them in the first place and this is the root of the addiction. Drugs help people get over their problems, their inadequacies and help them become the better person they strive for. In yesterday's patient case, the alcohol helped him overcome his shyness and allowed him to integrate into society and become a more social, talkative person. He felt included and a part of something. The root, fear of course. Shyness, a lack of love for oneself, inadequacies all come from fear. Sure, its the Shen that makes the consciousness decision to take a substance, but its trying to find a solution to the kidney's problem/deficiency. This I believe, falls under the heart and kidney mutual assistance mechanism. So drugs actually serve a purpose. It's when the drug has 'done its job' that the real addiction actually starts. From the point when the fear has been resolved by the drug, the body then constantly requires this intervention believing it is still dependant upon it. The body adapts quite quickly to its external environment and things that are introduced into it. It soon becomes dependant upon then as if their were necessities like food and water. One part of addiction therapy is getting the body off the dependency and that's where the NADA protocol comes in. The root involvement of the kidney is the reason why I campaigned against the boys at Yale to get the kidney point included back into their research. Another part of drug therapy is helping them fill the gap that non-drug taking creates. Another important part of drug therapy is showing the person how much their character has been shaped by drug addiction. Just as the body becomes dependant upon the substance so does the Shen and its actually shaped by the drug itself. This is not so easy to show the addict and is a valuable insight I learned through my own drug taking. Drugs open new doors to new thinking and over a long period of time, turn dark and shape the Shen in a negative way. Of course, different drugs have a greater shaping effect upon the Shen than others. This Shen shaping will usually create a new set of inadequacies bringing the addict back to square 1 as the pattern moves back to the kidney (fear) through the mutual assistance of fire and water. Taking the predominant Shen problem will still leave the root kidney problems and if they are not resolved, the person is likely to continue drug taking. *TESTIMONY FROM A RECOVERED ADDICT* Dr. Amy Calibuso, LMT, AP.DOM Doctor of Oriental Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Hey Attilio, Very interesting perspective - i agree that they do serve a purpose for the individual, a kind of escapism if you will. " Drugs help people get over their > problems, their inadequacies and help them become the better person they > strive for. " However, and this is where TCM theroy may come into play, when something is done excessively, when the individual is addicted it may turn on them and become harmful - promote the fear etc. that may have been what they were trying to rid themselves of in the first place. This is the major harm of substance abuse - its effects on the psyche and the body in more long term settings, especially with such drugs as cocaine and heroin. Once there is an actual addiction it becomes more of a battle. " The root involvement > of the kidney is the reason why I campaigned against the boys at Yale to get > the kidney point included back into their research. " Yes, after reading your paper, and conducting my own review (even though i didn't directly review the NADA protocol) i found this to be an unexplained waste in the treatments of many studies conducted. I too saw it as fundamental in Auricular Acupuncture and i see it as fundamental in Herbs and Body Acupuncture. I often see, in studies and in others clinical practice that often people have relapses and the fact, much like you explained, that they do not address the underlying root cause and effect of the condition often results in patients either restarting their abuse or directing it on something else - which is why methadone is wrong. In fact, i was discussing the use of Methadone with a Doctor friend of mine who works in Pain Management in a prison in NSW and his concept was - methadone is no good for users, but as long as they didn't end up stealing his car radio in the future who cares! This was due to many studies showing that methadone users have low criminality records etc. I was disgusted!! Regards, David White Chinese Medicine , " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > Hi David, > > I think that my experience with addiction has given me a valuable insight > into what goes on in an addicts mind, why they take it and what stops them > from quitting. Just yesterday I treated a patient for alcohol addiction and > although its not my preferred poison, actually hate the stuff, I was still > able to connect with him, discuss why it started, why the body still wants > it, how it has shaped him and how he can quit the habit. > > Everyone views drugs as a kind of negative thing, but they do actually have > their uses. This is why people start to take them in the first place and > this is the root of the addiction. Drugs help people get over their > problems, their inadequacies and help them become the better person they > strive for. In yesterday's patient case, the alcohol helped him overcome his > shyness and allowed him to integrate into society and become a more social, > talkative person. He felt included and a part of something. The root, fear > of course. Shyness, a lack of love for oneself, inadequacies all come from > fear. Sure, its the Shen that makes the consciousness decision to take a > substance, but its trying to find a solution to the kidney's > problem/deficiency. This I believe, falls under the heart and kidney mutual > assistance mechanism. > > So drugs actually serve a purpose. It's when the drug has 'done its job' > that the real addiction actually starts. From the point when the fear has > been resolved by the drug, the body then constantly requires this > intervention believing it is still dependant upon it. The body adapts quite > quickly to its external environment and things that are introduced into it. > It soon becomes dependant upon then as if their were necessities like food > and water. One part of addiction therapy is getting the body off the > dependency and that's where the NADA protocol comes in. The root involvement > of the kidney is the reason why I campaigned against the boys at Yale to get > the kidney point included back into their research. Another part of drug > therapy is helping them fill the gap that non-drug taking creates. Another > important part of drug therapy is showing the person how much their > character has been shaped by drug addiction. Just as the body becomes > dependant upon the substance so does the Shen and its actually shaped by the > drug itself. This is not so easy to show the addict and is a valuable > insight I learned through my own drug taking. Drugs open new doors to new > thinking and over a long period of time, turn dark and shape the Shen in a > negative way. Of course, different drugs have a greater shaping effect upon > the Shen than others. > > This Shen shaping will usually create a new set of inadequacies bringing the > addict back to square 1 as the pattern moves back to the kidney (fear) > through the mutual assistance of fire and water. Taking the predominant Shen > problem will still leave the root kidney problems and if they are not > resolved, the person is likely to continue drug taking. > > Warm regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. > Company Director > The Earth Health Clinic > 0208 367 8378 > enquiries@t... > <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com > > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of sydneytcm > 08 November 2005 02:29 > Chinese Medicine > Re: Drug Use & TCM > > > This is an interesting side-topic. > > Do you guys think that your experience with addiction helped you > understand what your patients were going through? Or do you think > that because of your personal experience that somehow and someway > your treatments and perspectives might be bias? > > I got into TCM and Martial Arts very young and hence do not have any > experience with such things (tried a cigarette when i was 14 didn't > like it - never had one again). So my first hand knowledge is very > limited. > > Attilio, i agree, however (from my experience), that the Shen is > a " break through " point, and that underlying is the Deficiency of > the Zang - Fu, particularly the Kidneys. > > Thanks, > > David White > > > > Chinese Medicine , " Attilio > D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > > > Hi Gye, > > > > Many thanks for speaking up. I didn't have the guts to be the > first one to > > state on a public forum that I was a previous drug user. I've > taken copious > > amounts of both hard and soft drugs for a decade. My personal > poison was > > cannabis with a mix of other substances. To be honest, I've been > constantly > > stoned for over 8 years. Drugs in the UK are so woven into normal > daily life > > of millions of people, its difficult to avoid them. I kicked the > habit by > > analysing the destructive properties upon my Zangfu, both in their > > energetics, emotions and spirits from a TCM perspective. This is > why I say > > to all those that say the Shen is the root that its is like ice and > > underneath the ice is the Kidney! > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Attilio D'Alberto > > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > > B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. > > Company Director > > The Earth Health Clinic > > 0208 367 8378 > > enquiries@t... > > <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> > www.theearthhealthclinic.com > > > > > > Chinese Medicine > > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of > Gye > > Bennetts > > 07 November 2005 07:42 > > Chinese Medicine > > Drug Use & TCM > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > Nice to read some stuff about this, as I belive that addiction is > a tricky > > subject. I was addicted to drugs and alcohol for over 8 years and > have now > > been clean this time for over 13. After many years of trying > various types > > of therapy (including 1 year of weekly of TCM) I can honestly say > for myself > > that it is my work in 12 Step fellowships ( A.A. & N.A.) that made > the > > difference. Until I surrendered and understood that I could > not " work out " > > how to get well and listen to others who had - nothing rally > stuck. Once I > > had that as a base I could use TCM, Therapy, etc and start to make > progress. > > I have been in practice as an acupuncturist for about 9 years and > am now > > part of society, not a burden on it. This is just my experience. > > > > Gye > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 methadone is no good for users, but as long as they didn't end up stealing his car radio in the future who cares! This was due to many studies showing that methadone users have low criminality records etc. I was disgusted >>>>> Methadone is long acting and can be a life saver for those with severe pain that cannot be touched without narcotics. It is also a fairly safe drug, although a drug such as Subitex, an agonist antagonist, may be better but much less available and much more expensive. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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