Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Dear all I am researching what Chinese philosophers, physicians and teachers, have had to say about the final root cause of illness, or the highest level of medicine. I am looking for references, resources, authors, texts or teachers that refer specifically to this subject. Please respond to the list or to my email jimmy.symmonds. Thank you Jimmy Jimmy Symmonds BSc BVSc MRCVS Veterinary Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine T: +44 (0) 7884 438583 E: jimmy.symmonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Hello: I am a Certified Veterinary Acupuncturist,Herbalist,TCVM and Tui-Na practitioner who is also Certified in Homeopathy,studied Pulse Diagnosis,The Classical Points and just finished the Food Therapy course.NAET and Spinal Manipulation courses I have also studied and I am about to embark on a home study course of osteopathy.What you are looking for, I would be interested in the results of your research.Only the Clinical Trials remain for my Master's Program in TCVM and my degree comes from South China Agriculture University and Chi Institute in Reddick, Florida.Our mentor, Dr. Xie whose father and grandfather were all acupuncturist in China has really been the first to move the TCM from food animals to companion animals.Veterinarians really are able to see that the ethereal body of health of animals,companion animals is much like a herd health situation with the owner imposing his or her health or lack thereof onto their pet.Outside genetic inheritence of a disease situation and the perniculous influences or evil chi being able to cause havoc on a weaker individual, seems like the gall bladder or liver which has the emotional root for disease is always the issue.Pulse diagnosis can also help you find the most affected element and try to help from the position of the Ko Cycle (controller) or creation cycle.Most of my instructors do not actually spell out the origins of these deductions though so as I said, I would be interested in the results you get on this subject. if anyone would be where I would go for more information.Do you have his contact?Sincerely,P.Jordan,DVM,CVA,CVH > " Jimmy Symmonds MRCVS (Healthy Beast) " ><jimmy.symmonds >Chinese Medicine > " Jimmy Symmonds MRCVS (Healthy Beast) " ><jimmy.symmonds > Going to the Root >Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:32:25 +0100 > >Dear all > >I am researching what Chinese philosophers, physicians and teachers, have >had to say about the final root cause of illness, or the highest level of >medicine. I am looking for references, resources, authors, texts or >teachers >that refer specifically to this subject. Please respond to the list or to >my >email jimmy.symmonds. > >Thank you >Jimmy > >Jimmy Symmonds BSc BVSc MRCVS >Veterinary Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine > >T: +44 (0) 7884 438583 >E: jimmy.symmonds > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Hi Patricia Thanks for the response. I am interested in the deepest issue, the point where the one becomes two, the root of roots. I am looking for teachings where there is an awareness that absolute health lies in wholeness, and that all illness is " ignorance " of our true nature. Where it is understood that all " healing " in the mind of the " healer " . All the best Jimmy Jimmy Symmonds BSc BVSc MRCVS Veterinary Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine T: +44 (0) 7884 438583 E: jimmy.symmonds > " Patricia Jordan " <coastalcatclinic > RE: Going to the Root > > Hello: I am a Certified Veterinary Acupuncturist,Herbalist,TCVM and Tui-Na > practitioner who is also Certified in Homeopathy,studied Pulse Diagnosis,The > Classical Points and just finished the Food Therapy course.NAET and Spinal > Manipulation courses I have also studied and I am about to embark on a home > study course of osteopathy.What you are looking for, I would be interested > in the results of your research.Only the Clinical Trials remain for my > Master's Program in TCVM and my degree comes from South China Agriculture > University and Chi Institute in Reddick, Florida.Our mentor, Dr. Xie whose > father and grandfather were all acupuncturist in China has really been the > first to move the TCM from food animals to companion animals.Veterinarians > really are able to see that the ethereal body of health of animals,companion > animals is much like a herd health situation with the owner imposing his or > her health or lack thereof onto their pet.Outside genetic inheritence of a > disease situation and the perniculous influences or evil chi being able to > cause havoc on a weaker individual, seems like the gall bladder or liver > which has the emotional root for disease is always the issue.Pulse diagnosis > can also help you find the most affected element and try to help from the > position of the Ko Cycle (controller) or creation cycle.Most of my > instructors do not actually spell out the origins of these deductions though > so as I said, I would be interested in the results you get on this > subject. if anyone would be where I would go for more > information.Do you have his contact?Sincerely,P.Jordan,DVM,CVA,CVH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Try Jane Robert's The Eternal Validity of the Soul. Not TCM at all. It discusses the idea of belief systems which create a person's reality amongst a host of other things. Doesn't get much deeper in my view. Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. Company Director The Earth Health Clinic 0208 367 8378 enquiries <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Jimmy Symmonds MRCVS (Healthy Beast) 20 October 2005 18:50 Re: Going to the root Hi Patricia Thanks for the response. I am interested in the deepest issue, the point where the one becomes two, the root of roots. I am looking for teachings where there is an awareness that absolute health lies in wholeness, and that all illness is " ignorance " of our true nature. Where it is understood that all " healing " in the mind of the " healer " . All the best Jimmy Jimmy Symmonds BSc BVSc MRCVS Veterinary Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine T: +44 (0) 7884 438583 E: jimmy.symmonds > " Patricia Jordan " <coastalcatclinic > RE: Going to the Root > > Hello: I am a Certified Veterinary Acupuncturist,Herbalist,TCVM and Tui-Na > practitioner who is also Certified in Homeopathy,studied Pulse Diagnosis,The > Classical Points and just finished the Food Therapy course.NAET and Spinal > Manipulation courses I have also studied and I am about to embark on a home > study course of osteopathy.What you are looking for, I would be interested > in the results of your research.Only the Clinical Trials remain for my > Master's Program in TCVM and my degree comes from South China Agriculture > University and Chi Institute in Reddick, Florida.Our mentor, Dr. Xie whose > father and grandfather were all acupuncturist in China has really been the > first to move the TCM from food animals to companion animals.Veterinarians > really are able to see that the ethereal body of health of animals,companion > animals is much like a herd health situation with the owner imposing his or > her health or lack thereof onto their pet.Outside genetic inheritence of a > disease situation and the perniculous influences or evil chi being able to > cause havoc on a weaker individual, seems like the gall bladder or liver > which has the emotional root for disease is always the issue.Pulse diagnosis > can also help you find the most affected element and try to help from the > position of the Ko Cycle (controller) or creation cycle.Most of my > instructors do not actually spell out the origins of these deductions though > so as I said, I would be interested in the results you get on this > subject. if anyone would be where I would go for more > information.Do you have his contact?Sincerely,P.Jordan,DVM,CVA,CVH http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Patricia Jordan wrote: > Hello: > I am a Certified Veterinary Acupuncturist, Herbalist, TCVM and Tui-Na > practitioner who is also Certified in Homeopathy(. I studied) Pulse > Diagnosis, The Classical Points and just finished the Food Therapy > course(.) > (I also studied) NAET and Spinal Manipulation courses. I have also > studied and I am about to embark on a home study course of > osteopathy. > What you are looking for? I would be interested in the results of > your research. > Only the Clinical Trials remain for my Master's Program in TCVM and > my degree comes from South China Agriculture University and Chi > Institute in Reddick, Florida. > Our mentor, Dr. Xie whose father and grandfather were all > acupuncturist(s) in China has really been the first to move the TCM > from food animals to companion animals. Veterinarians really are able > to see that the ethereal body of health of animals, companion animals > is much like a herd health situation with the owner imposing his or > her health or lack thereof onto their pet. > Outside genetic inheritence of a disease situation and the > perniculous influences or evil chi being able to cause havoc on a > weaker individual, seems like the gall bladder or liver which has the > emotional root for disease is always the issue. Pulse diagnosis can > also help you find the most affected element and try to help from > the position of the Ko Cycle (controller) or creation cycle. > Most of my instructors do not actually spell out the origins of these > deductions though(,) so as I said, I would be interested in the > results you get on this subject. > (,) if anyone(,) would be where I would go for more > information. Do you have his contact? > Sincerely, > P.Jordan,DVM,CVA,CVH Hi Patricia! First advice: Use shorter paragraphs, use spaces after commas and periods, and end sentences with periods rather than commas. It may well be that no one has understood you, explaining why I am the first to reply almost a day later. I can't for the life of me imagine how such an advanced student can seem to think that the small details of written communication are somehow unimportant. Try working on this, I really think it will help you. routinely posts his contact info in every message he sends thus: Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Hi Attilio Thanks for the recommendation. As my passion is Chinese medicine, I would really like to read what Chinese physician-philosophers (ancient and modern) have to say on these most fundamental questions. What is health? What is disease? Who is the physician? What is a medicine? Who am I? Is there anyone who practiced or taught from an awareness of the absolute, realising that what we sought as doctors and patients was not available in the relative. Writers who recognised that Health is Absolute, that all healing is self-healing? Thanks Jimmy Jimmy Symmonds BSc BVSc MRCVS Veterinary Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine T: +44 (0) 7884 438583 E: jimmy.symmonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Jimmy, I think that the classical Chinese texts such as the Nei Jing and Nan Jing might be helpful for some of your questions. Read Paul Unschuld's " Huang Di Nei Jing Su Wen " for a start, and the Claude Larre books. The best source for this material, however, is chapter one of Sun Si Miao's Qian jin yao fang/Prescriptions Worth a Thousand Gold Pieces, unfortunately hard to find in English. On Oct 21, 2005, at 10:43 AM, Jimmy Symmonds MRCVS (Healthy Beast) wrote: > Hi Attilio > > Thanks for the recommendation. > > As my passion is Chinese medicine, I would really like to read what > Chinese > physician-philosophers (ancient and modern) have to say on these most > fundamental questions. > > What is health? > What is disease? > Who is the physician? > What is a medicine? > Who am I? > > Is there anyone who practiced or taught from an awareness of the > absolute, > realising that what we sought as doctors and patients was not > available in > the relative. Writers who recognised that Health is Absolute, that all > healing is self-healing? > > Thanks > Jimmy > > > > Jimmy Symmonds BSc BVSc MRCVS > Veterinary Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine > > T: +44 (0) 7884 438583 > E: jimmy.symmonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Try the TCM Classics? Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. Company Director The Earth Health Clinic 0208 367 8378 enquiries <http://www.theearthhealthclinic.com/> www.theearthhealthclinic.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Jimmy Symmonds MRCVS (Healthy Beast) 21 October 2005 18:44 Re: Going to the Root Hi Attilio Thanks for the recommendation. As my passion is Chinese medicine, I would really like to read what Chinese physician-philosophers (ancient and modern) have to say on these most fundamental questions. What is health? What is disease? Who is the physician? What is a medicine? Who am I? Is there anyone who practiced or taught from an awareness of the absolute, realising that what we sought as doctors and patients was not available in the relative. Writers who recognised that Health is Absolute, that all healing is self-healing? Thanks Jimmy Jimmy Symmonds BSc BVSc MRCVS Veterinary Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine T: +44 (0) 7884 438583 E: jimmy.symmonds http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I agree with Zev. Unschuld discussion on the Suwen is excellent and tied in with the Mawangdui manuscripts by Harper shows how the understanding of disease, mankind and its surrounding environment progressed from bug aeitology to that of environmental factors such as wind. Attilio Chinese Medicine , " Z'ev Rosenberg " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > > Jimmy, > I think that the classical Chinese texts such as the Nei Jing and > Nan Jing might be helpful for some of your questions. Read Paul > Unschuld's " Huang Di Nei Jing Su Wen " for a start, and the Claude > Larre books. The best source for this material, however, is chapter > one of Sun Si Miao's Qian jin yao fang/Prescriptions Worth a Thousand > Gold Pieces, unfortunately hard to find in English. > > > On Oct 21, 2005, at 10:43 AM, Jimmy Symmonds MRCVS (Healthy Beast) > wrote: > > > Hi Attilio > > > > Thanks for the recommendation. > > > > As my passion is Chinese medicine, I would really like to read what > > Chinese > > physician-philosophers (ancient and modern) have to say on these most > > fundamental questions. > > > > What is health? > > What is disease? > > Who is the physician? > > What is a medicine? > > Who am I? > > > > Is there anyone who practiced or taught from an awareness of the > > absolute, > > realising that what we sought as doctors and patients was not > > available in > > the relative. Writers who recognised that Health is Absolute, that all > > healing is self-healing? > > > > Thanks > > Jimmy > > > > > > > > Jimmy Symmonds BSc BVSc MRCVS > > Veterinary Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine > > > > T: +44 (0) 7884 438583 > > E: jimmy.symmonds@h... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Hi Jimmy I think that " Nourishing Destiny " by Lonny Jarrett could be what you are looking for. Have a look at his website on www.spiritpathpress.com. Regards Susie ____________ > > Message: 3 > Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:43:30 +0100 > " Jimmy Symmonds MRCVS (Healthy Beast) " > <jimmy.symmonds > Re: Going to the Root > > Hi Attilio > > Thanks for the recommendation. > > As my passion is Chinese medicine, I would really like to read > what Chinese > physician-philosophers (ancient and modern) have to say on these most > fundamental questions. > > What is health? > What is disease? > Who is the physician? > What is a medicine? > Who am I? > > Is there anyone who practiced or taught from an awareness of the absolute, > realising that what we sought as doctors and patients was not available in > the relative. Writers who recognised that Health is Absolute, that all > healing is self-healing? > > Thanks > Jimmy > > > > Jimmy Symmonds BSc BVSc MRCVS > Veterinary Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine > > T: +44 (0) 7884 438583 > E: jimmy.symmonds > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Thanks very much Z'ev This is from http://www.itmonline.org/arts/sunsimiao.htm. Interesting and ends with an explanation as to why I can't find any explicit writing on the subject! ------------------------- Following is a portion of Sun's Taoist text Cunshen Lianqi Ming (Visualization of Spirit and Refinement of Qi), translated by Kohn (15): The body is the habitation of spirit [shen] and qi. As long as spirit and qi are there, the body is healthy and strong. As soon as spirit and qi scatter, the body dies. Therefore, if you wish to preserve yourself whole, first calm spirit and qi. Understand: qi is the mother of spirit; spirit is the son of qi. Only when qi and spirit are together can you live long and not die. If you, therefore, wish to calm spirit, first refine primordial qi. When this refined qi resides in the body, spirit is calm and qi is like an ocean. With the sea of qi full to overflowing, the mind [heart] is calm and the spirit stable. When this stability is not disturbed, body and mind are gathered in tranquility. Tranquility then attains to concentration, and the body continues to exist for years eternal. Just stay all the time with the deep source of the Tao, and you will naturally become a sage. Then qi pervades spirit and all mental projections; spirit pervades all insight and destiny. With destiny established and the body preserved, you can unite both with your true inner nature. Then you will reach an age as old as the sun and moon. Your Tao is perfected. This introductory section follows the typical Taoist description of cultivating qi in order to calm spirit, and in tranquility gaining longevity. It is followed by instructions for meditation (persistent focus of the mind, especially on the cinnabar field, dantian, just below the naval). Five phases of the mind are described by Sun, starting with the agitated mind, and then progressing to greater degrees of tranquility. Having attained tranquility, there are then seven phases of the body that one can pass through. These begin with the healing of diseases, followed by recovery of youth, extension of the life span, refining the physical form to a radiant body, further refinement to pure spirit, unification of spirit with the world, and, finally, going beyond all beings to reside in the numinous realm. As to how these refinements of the body are to be accomplished, nothing is said, but the practitioner is warned to diligently study the Tao and follow the orally transmitted teachings, which are never written down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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