Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Infrared thermography fails to visualize stimulation-induced meridian-like structures. Litscher, G.; Biomed Eng Online 6-15-2005, Vol. 4(1) p.38 Ful text free online PubMed Abstract Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 See http://www.biomedical-engineering-online.com/content/4/1/38/comments for the failures noted in that research paper. Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. 07786198900 enquiries <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com " A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein) Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Alon Marcus DOM 11 September 2005 18:02 Chinese Medicine Re: channels Infrared thermography fails to visualize stimulation-induced meridian-like structures. Litscher, G.; Biomed Eng Online 6-15-2005, Vol. 4(1) p.38 Ful text free online PubMed Abstract Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Attilio Thanks for the ref. I have to say however that now after working with thermography about 1-2 time a week for a year or so i cannot say i have seen thermographic confirmation of the channels. What i have seen is confirmation of some acupoint functions, especially Tong-style points, regarding painful areas. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Alon, I would like to believe that thermography can show the existence of the jingluo, but I'm not so sure. There was another research article using moxa and thermography which concluded with a positive outcome, but that research also had a number of faults, see http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/online/dalbertojinglou.html Until there is research that is of a rigorous quality, we'll never know. Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. 07786198900 enquiries <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com " A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein) Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Alon Marcus DOM 11 September 2005 18:32 Chinese Medicine Re: channels Attilio Thanks for the ref. I have to say however that now after working with thermography about 1-2 time a week for a year or so i cannot say i have seen thermographic confirmation of the channels. What i have seen is confirmation of some acupoint functions, especially Tong-style points, regarding painful areas. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Despite some research claiming to verify the existence of the jingluo, nothing has yet emerged to clearly demonstrate this. I have a great interest in how 21st century acupuncturists will regard the jingluo system without any modern verification. We seem to be operating under the belief that there were ancient beings who had a level of perception superior to our's today, who pioneered the details of the jingluo we follow today and for some centuries. I predict that as more people begin to acknowledge the clinical value of acupuncture and no modern verification of the jinluo appears, the styles of acupuncture that operate under different theories will grow and possibly eventually outnumber those who practice under traditional (jingluo) theories. That is part of the reason I will give a talk at this year's Pacific Symposium titled " Do You Believe in the Yellow Emperor? " I believe our profession needs to be talking about this and just how we view legends of ancient Sages before newer theories pass us by. - Matt Bauer - Attilio D'Alberto Chinese Medicine Sunday, September 11, 2005 10:50 AM RE: channels Alon, I would like to believe that thermography can show the existence of the jingluo, but I'm not so sure. There was another research article using moxa and thermography which concluded with a positive outcome, but that research also had a number of faults, see http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/online/dalbertojinglou.html Until there is research that is of a rigorous quality, we'll never know. Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. 07786198900 enquiries <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com " A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein) Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Alon Marcus DOM 11 September 2005 18:32 Chinese Medicine Re: channels Attilio Thanks for the ref. I have to say however that now after working with thermography about 1-2 time a week for a year or so i cannot say i have seen thermographic confirmation of the channels. What i have seen is confirmation of some acupoint functions, especially Tong-style points, regarding painful areas. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Attilio, Would you still like to do an article on the physical aspects of acupuncture channels? I will be happy to send you some studies and help in the writin of this if you are game. Let me know. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >RE: channels >Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:50:13 +0100 > >Alon, > >I would like to believe that thermography can show the existence of the >jingluo, but I'm not so sure. There was another research article using moxa >and thermography which concluded with a positive outcome, but that research >also had a number of faults, see >http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/online/dalbertojinglou.html Until there is >research that is of a rigorous quality, we'll never know. > >Warm regards, > >Attilio D'Alberto >Doctor of (Beijing, China) >B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M., M.A.T.C.M. >07786198900 >enquiries > <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com > > " A human being is part of the whole, called by us the Universe, a part >limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and >feelings, as something separated from the rest - - a kind of optical >illusion in his consciousness. " (Albert Einstein) > > > >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Alon >Marcus DOM >11 September 2005 18:32 >Chinese Medicine >Re: channels > > >Attilio >Thanks for the ref. I have to say however that now after working with >thermography about 1-2 time a week for a year or so i cannot say i have >seen >thermographic confirmation of the channels. What i have seen is >confirmation >of some acupoint functions, especially Tong-style points, regarding painful >areas. > > > > >Oakland, CA 94609 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 see this study on infrared and acup channels. It confirms what i have seen using thermography http://www.biomedical-engineering-online.com/content/4/1/38 Oakland, CA 94609 - Chinese Medicine Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:05 AM Re: How does acupuncture relieve stress (Western explanation) Hi All, As regards is role in stress management (a VERY broad term!) acupuncture has many mechanisms / mediators apart from modulation of the the body's opiate system. See http://tinyurl.com/baphc for Medline hits for the search profile: (acupuncture OR electroacup* OR acupoint* OR moxibustion) AND (stress OR anti-stress) See http://tinyurl.com/9arl8 for Medline hits for the search profile: Review AND (acupuncture OR electroacup* OR acupoint* OR moxibustion) AND (neuroendocrin* OR neuro-endocrin* OR endocrin* OR cerebr* OR hypothala* OR humoral OR periaquad* OR thalam* OR hormon* OR neurotrans*) AND (modulat* OR mechanism* OR effects) See especially: Ma SX (2004) Neurobiology of Acupuncture: Toward CAM. Evid Based Complement Alternat Med. Jun 1;1(1):41-47. Departments of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, David Geffen School of Medicine at University of California at Los Angeles, Torrance, CA, USA. It has long been accepted that acupuncture, puncturing and scraping needles at certain points on the body, can have analgesic and anesthetic effects, as well as therapeutic effects in the treatment of various diseases. This therapy, including acupuncture anesthesia, has drawn the attention of many investigators and become a research subject of international interest around the world. Numerous studies have demonstrated that the nervous system, neurotransmitters, endogenous substances and Jingluo (meridians) may respond to needling stimulation and electrical acupuncture. An abundance of information has now accumulated concerning the neurobiological mechanisms of acupuncture, in relation to both neural pathways and neurotransmitters/hormonal factors that mediate autonomic regulation, pain relief and other therapeutics. Early studies demonstrated that the analgesic effects of electroacupuncture (EA) are mediated by opioid peptides in the periaqueductal gray. Recent evidence shows that nitric oxide plays an important role in mediating the cardiovascular responses to EA stimulation through the gracile nucleus-thalamic pathway. Other substances, including serotonin, catecholamines, inorganic chemicals and amino acids such as glutamate and alpha-aminobutyric acid (GABA), are proposed to mediate certain cardiovascular and analgesic effects of acupuncture, but at present their role is poorly understood. The increased interest in acupuncture health care has led to an ever- growing number of investigators pursuing research in the processes of the sense of needling touch, transduction of needling stimulation signals, stimulation parameters and placebos. In this Review, the evidence and understanding of the neurobiological processes of acupuncture research have been summarized with an emphasis on recent developments of nitric oxide mediating acupuncture signals through the dorsal medulla-thalamic pathways. PMID: 15257325 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] The FULL-TEXT of that article is at http://tinyurl.com/8mszv Best regards, HOME + WORK: 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) < " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - Chinese Proverb Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Click on the following link for my short critique on this study http://www.biomedical-engineering-online.com/content/4/1/38/comments Warm regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) B.Sc. (Hons) T.C.M. M.A.T.C.M. Editor Times 07786 198900 enquiries <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Alon Marcus DOM 26 January 2006 18:57 Chinese Medicine Re: Re: Channels see this study on infrared and acup channels. It confirms what i have seen using thermography http://www.biomedical-engineering-online.com/content/4/1/38 Oakland, CA 94609 - Chinese Medicine Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:05 AM Re: How does acupuncture relieve stress (Western explanation) Hi All, As regards is role in stress management (a VERY broad term!) acupuncture has many mechanisms / mediators apart from modulation of the the body's opiate system. See http://tinyurl.com/baphc for Medline hits for the search profile: (acupuncture OR electroacup* OR acupoint* OR moxibustion) AND (stress OR anti-stress) See http://tinyurl.com/9arl8 for Medline hits for the search profile: Review AND (acupuncture OR electroacup* OR acupoint* OR moxibustion) AND (neuroendocrin* OR neuro-endocrin* OR endocrin* OR cerebr* OR hypothala* OR humoral OR periaquad* OR thalam* OR hormon* OR neurotrans*) AND (modulat* OR mechanism* OR effects) See especially: Ma SX (2004) Neurobiology of Acupuncture: Toward CAM. Evid Based Complement Alternat Med. Jun 1;1(1):41-47. Departments of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, David Geffen School of Medicine at University of California at Los Angeles, Torrance, CA, USA. It has long been accepted that acupuncture, puncturing and scraping needles at certain points on the body, can have analgesic and anesthetic effects, as well as therapeutic effects in the treatment of various diseases. This therapy, including acupuncture anesthesia, has drawn the attention of many investigators and become a research subject of international interest around the world. Numerous studies have demonstrated that the nervous system, neurotransmitters, endogenous substances and Jingluo (meridians) may respond to needling stimulation and electrical acupuncture. An abundance of information has now accumulated concerning the neurobiological mechanisms of acupuncture, in relation to both neural pathways and neurotransmitters/hormonal factors that mediate autonomic regulation, pain relief and other therapeutics. Early studies demonstrated that the analgesic effects of electroacupuncture (EA) are mediated by opioid peptides in the periaqueductal gray. Recent evidence shows that nitric oxide plays an important role in mediating the cardiovascular responses to EA stimulation through the gracile nucleus-thalamic pathway. Other substances, including serotonin, catecholamines, inorganic chemicals and amino acids such as glutamate and alpha-aminobutyric acid (GABA), are proposed to mediate certain cardiovascular and analgesic effects of acupuncture, but at present their role is poorly understood. The increased interest in acupuncture health care has led to an ever- growing number of investigators pursuing research in the processes of the sense of needling touch, transduction of needling stimulation signals, stimulation parameters and placebos. In this Review, the evidence and understanding of the neurobiological processes of acupuncture research have been summarized with an emphasis on recent developments of nitric oxide mediating acupuncture signals through the dorsal medulla-thalamic pathways. PMID: 15257325 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] The FULL-TEXT of that article is at http://tinyurl.com/8mszv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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