Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Alon: What is the technique you are alluding to, btw? hitting the discs via huatoujiaji or GV points? Also, since ligamentous growth is so slow, what is the typical length of course & frequency you use? Thanks. -Ben Hawes, L.Ac. > >Since i use both light and heavy techniques i know that for example for vertebral instability you need heavy techniques and must cause tissue damage. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 As this topic has created a lot of interest and some personal attacks it would be most beneficial for others if we could learn about the particulars of the technique you use. We might have a situation of " comparing apples to oranges " and we all can learn from others even if something did not work for us. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " Benjamin Hawes, L.Ac. " <bhawes >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > Re: vertebral instability >Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:53:45 -0600 > >Alon: > >What is the technique you are alluding to, btw? hitting the discs via >huatoujiaji or GV points? Also, since ligamentous growth is so slow, >what is the typical length of course & frequency you use? Thanks. > >-Ben Hawes, L.Ac. > > > > >Since i use both light and heavy techniques i know that for example for >vertebral instability you need heavy techniques and must cause tissue >damage. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 What is the technique you are alluding to, btw? hitting the discs via huatoujiaji or GV points? Also, since ligamentous growth is so slow, what is the typical length of course & frequency you use? >>>>> I have to first say that with acupuncture one can only treat very mild instability, it takes injection therapy for more severe one. I am talking about the kind of instability that cannot be treated with exercise therapy. What you are trying to do is to cause local bleeding around ligamentous periosteal junctions. You need to cover the entire area. The resulting inflammation activates fibroblasts. It usually takes between 8-15 treatments.Some joints like the shoulder do respond to acupuncture alone but do to injection therapy, and usually only to very strong solutions. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Alon- Do you use injection therapy? Is this " legal " in CA? Also-in other posts you mention using laser and light therapy. In my questioning of the CA board re: lasers I have been specifically told that this type of therapy is illegal. Do you have additional credentials that allows you to practice these two modalities? Thanks-Todd Larlee L.Ac. <alonmarcus wrote: What is the technique you are alluding to, btw? hitting the discs via huatoujiaji or GV points? Also, since ligamentous growth is so slow, what is the typical length of course & frequency you use? >>>>> I have to first say that with acupuncture one can only treat very mild instability, it takes injection therapy for more severe one. I am talking about the kind of instability that cannot be treated with exercise therapy. What you are trying to do is to cause local bleeding around ligamentous periosteal junctions. You need to cover the entire area. The resulting inflammation activates fibroblasts. It usually takes between 8-15 treatments.Some joints like the shoulder do respond to acupuncture alone but do to injection therapy, and usually only to very strong solutions. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Do you use injection therapy? Is this " legal " in CA? >>>>> I do not inject myself. Regarding laser i work in an MDs office where we did lasers. We no longer use lasers because LEDs work better and i do not own one.Infrared LEDs have been approved as heat therapy by the FDA (see Bails photonic stimulator) so we should not have any problems because we can use infrared heat. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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