Tongue spot

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Hi All

 

I have a patient - 49 yr, female, athletic (runs 12 miles a week), with

family hx of very small arteries and veins. Several members have died of

strokes

including father. I saw her about a year ago for muscle injury and noted a

dusky tongue. She suffered a stroke 3 weeks ago and came for some treatment.

Now she has a blue spot on her tongue on the same side (left) she had the

stroke at about the heart-lung border. She is also complaining of pain on the

left side at about spleen 20. She has had all the western tests and no

problem with heart or lung. My question is could the tongue spot represent

stasis from the stroke (heart=brain) or would it only represent the upper jiao?

 

Still trying to learn.

Mary

 

 

 

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lyeric100 wrote:

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Now she has a blue spot on her tongue on the same side (left) she had

the stroke at about the heart-lung border. She is also complaining of

pain on the left side at about spleen 20. She has had all the western

tests and no problem with heart or lung. My question is could the

tongue spot represent stasis from the stroke (heart=brain) or would it

only represent the upper jiao?

>

>

 

stasis at HT

it's a stasis which relates more to Blood than to qi

 

in terms of the history a SP deficienct condition seems to be indicated

from early years

 

this seems to have been inherited with paternal qi

 

to refine if this is from HT yin the tongue should be checked for the

tell tale HT fissure

 

in default the ear lobe fissure

 

if your Q intended to look for a way to release this spot, and the

underlying condition, it will be necessary to resolve basic etiolohy in

5 E bi phasal terms

 

dr holmes

acu-free.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lyeric100 wrote:

> Hi All

>

> I have a patient - 49 yr, female, athletic (runs 12 miles a week), with

> family hx of very small arteries and veins. Several members have died

> of strokes

> including father. I saw her about a year ago for muscle injury and

> noted a

> dusky tongue. She suffered a stroke 3 weeks ago and came for some

> treatment.

> Now she has a blue spot on her tongue on the same side (left) she had the

> stroke at about the heart-lung border. She is also complaining of pain

> on the

> left side at about spleen 20. She has had all the western tests and no

> problem with heart or lung. My question is could the tongue spot

> represent

> stasis from the stroke (heart=brain) or would it only represent the

> upper jiao?

>

> Still trying to learn.

> Mary

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your reply Dr Holmes. My question was about if it was

possible the stasis spot could represent the stasis in the brain from the

stroke. I

am sorry I didn't word it well.

 

Interestingly, she came for treatment today and the chest pain has

disappeared and so has the tongue spot.

 

She does have s/s of chronic spleen Qi deficiency but no heart crease on

tongue or earlobe.

 

Mary

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

thanks for the clarification

to my mind tongue does not represent a hologram of brain

indirectly it does, when brain is taken as the HT Shen

 

>

She does have s/s of chronic spleen Qi deficiency but no heart crease

on tongue or earlobe

>

>

 

this is intriguing

with no HT crease, and provided it does not turn out to be HT, how can

she have had a stroke?

 

it would point to SP somehow

 

have you narrowed down the element responsible for the stroke?

 

holmes

 

 

lyeric100 wrote:

> Thank you for your reply Dr Holmes. My question was about if it was

> possible the stasis spot could represent the stasis in the brain from

> the stroke. I

> am sorry I didn't word it well.

>

> Interestingly, she came for treatment today and the chest pain has

> disappeared and so has the tongue spot.

>

> She does have s/s of chronic spleen Qi deficiency but no heart crease on

> tongue or earlobe.

>

> Mary

>

>

>