Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 So, I guess there might be a connection between stomach function and ear infections after all, huh? Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " " < > >traditional_Chinese_Medicine >CC: vBMA, > Blind spots in TCM? >Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:47:56 +0100 > >Hi All, & Marty > >Talking about blind spots, how many of you ever heard that chronic otitis >interna/media in babies could be due to ST acid reflux getting into the >inner ear via the Eustacian tube? > >I had not known this until, prompted by Marty's note " Is butterbur safe? " , >I browsed http://www.drgreene.com/21_924.html and then drifted to >another one of Dr. Greene's pages: >http://www.drgreene.com/21_923.html > >It says: " Big News: Reflux and Ear Infections? !!! Chronic ear infections >are a frustrating problem for many young children. A study published in >the February 9, 2002 issue of The Lancet suggests a dramatic new >approach to dealing with ear infections. The researchers analyzed the >fluid in the ears of 54 children with ear infections (OME). Surprisingly, >45 >of the children had digestive enzymes from the stomach (pepsin and >pepsinogen) at concentrations 1000 times higher than expected. It >appears that when a young child is lying in his back, the acidic liquid >from the stomach can flow to the back of his throat and then drip into >the Eustachian tube. This would cause irritation and swelling (ear >burn?), thus setting up an ear infection. I look forward to seeing if >measures to control reflux prove effective for preventing ear infections. I >suspect they will. " > >Wow! > >What TCM Pattern would that be? How would one have diagnosed it >without WM research on the composition of the ear fluid? > > > >Best regards, > > >Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) > > > > >Ireland. >Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) > > > > " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - >Chinese Proverb > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Hi All, & Marty Talking about blind spots, how many of you ever heard that chronic otitis interna/media in babies could be due to ST acid reflux getting into the inner ear via the Eustacian tube? I had not known this until, prompted by Marty's note " Is butterbur safe? " , I browsed http://www.drgreene.com/21_924.html and then drifted to another one of Dr. Greene's pages: http://www.drgreene.com/21_923.html It says: " Big News: Reflux and Ear Infections? !!! Chronic ear infections are a frustrating problem for many young children. A study published in the February 9, 2002 issue of The Lancet suggests a dramatic new approach to dealing with ear infections. The researchers analyzed the fluid in the ears of 54 children with ear infections (OME). Surprisingly, 45 of the children had digestive enzymes from the stomach (pepsin and pepsinogen) at concentrations 1000 times higher than expected. It appears that when a young child is lying in his back, the acidic liquid from the stomach can flow to the back of his throat and then drip into the Eustachian tube. This would cause irritation and swelling (ear burn?), thus setting up an ear infection. I look forward to seeing if measures to control reflux prove effective for preventing ear infections. I suspect they will. " Wow! What TCM Pattern would that be? How would one have diagnosed it without WM research on the composition of the ear fluid? Best regards, Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) Ireland. Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - Chinese Proverb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 i have heard of-gastroesophageal acid reflux disease being connected w/childhood otitis media. tho not a nurse myself, found it in a nursing journal. lynn --- Chinese Medicine < wrote: > Hi All, & Marty > > Talking about blind spots, how many of you ever heard that chronic otitis > interna/media in babies could be due to ST acid reflux getting into the > inner ear via the Eustacian tube? > > I had not known this until, prompted by Marty's note " Is butterbur safe? " , > I browsed http://www.drgreene.com/21_924.html and then drifted to > another one of Dr. Greene's pages: > http://www.drgreene.com/21_923.html > > It says: " Big News: Reflux and Ear Infections? !!! Chronic ear infections > are a frustrating problem for many young children. A study published in > the February 9, 2002 issue of The Lancet suggests a dramatic new > approach to dealing with ear infections. The researchers analyzed the > fluid in the ears of 54 children with ear infections (OME). Surprisingly, 45 > of the children had digestive enzymes from the stomach (pepsin and > pepsinogen) at concentrations 1000 times higher than expected. It > appears that when a young child is lying in his back, the acidic liquid > from the stomach can flow to the back of his throat and then drip into > the Eustachian tube. This would cause irritation and swelling (ear > burn?), thus setting up an ear infection. I look forward to seeing if > measures to control reflux prove effective for preventing ear infections. I > suspect they will. " > > Wow! > > What TCM Pattern would that be? How would one have diagnosed it > without WM research on the composition of the ear fluid? > > > > Best regards, > > > Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) > > > > WORK: Teagasc Grange Research centre, Dunsany, Co. Meath, > Ireland. > Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) > > > > " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - > Chinese Proverb > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Phil, For a lucid explanation of pediatric otitis media pathogenesis that is consistent with these findings, but from a purely TCM perspective, see this piece by Bob Flaws: http://www.bluepoppy.com/press/download/articles/fud-stag.ped-ear.cfm Best, Simcha > > Wow! > > What TCM Pattern would that be? How would one have diagnosed it > without WM research on the composition of the ear fluid? > ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Phil That is a good article on xiao chai hu tang and kids ear ache. My observations in this condition, is that preceding the attack there has always been exposure to cold winds, which is the norm in NZ. The parents always tell me, there was a freezing wind and we had to wait outside .....then that night the ear ache started. Even if xiao chai hu tang was useful, its almost impossible to get a kid to drink or take anything at 3 in the morning. Heiko Lade M.H.Sc.(TCM) Lecturer and clinic supervisor - simchagottlieb Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:28 AM Re: Blind spots in TCM? Phil, For a lucid explanation of pediatric otitis media pathogenesis that is consistent with these findings, but from a purely TCM perspective, see this piece by Bob Flaws: http://www.bluepoppy.com/press/download/articles/fud-stag.ped-ear.cfm Best, Simcha > > Wow! > > What TCM Pattern would that be? How would one have diagnosed it > without WM research on the composition of the ear fluid? > ] Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 " Even if xiao chai hu tang was useful, its almost impossible to get a kid to drink or take anything at 3 in the morning. " Not so. You give the meds to the kid with an eye-dropper. Squirt it right into the little person's mouth. Rob Helmer and I do this all the time. Works very well. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Bob, I agree with you. I read your suggestion for giving herbs to kids in the pedriatics books. I used it in several kids, including mine with much success. Ferran > " Bob Flaws " <pemachophel2001 > > > Re: Blind spots in TCM? >Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:19:29 -0000 > > " Even if xiao chai hu tang was useful, its almost impossible to get a >kid to drink or take anything at 3 in the morning. " > >Not so. You give the meds to the kid with an eye-dropper. Squirt it >right into the little person's mouth. > >Rob Helmer and I do this all the time. Works very well. > >Bob > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 " Not so. You give the meds to the kid with an eye-dropper. Squirt it right into the little person's mouth. Rob Helmer and I do this all the time. Works very well. Bob " Oh yes, thanks for that, I have prescribed herbs to my daughter and other parents kids like that before. It gets more difficult when they are in an acute irritable stage and hit you when you get close to them. But I wonder how effective herbs are in these severe acute situations,any comments on practitoners experience is appreciated. Heiko Lade M.H.Sc.(TCM) Lecturer and clinic supervisor - Bob Flaws Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:19 AM Re: Blind spots in TCM? " Even if xiao chai hu tang was useful, its almost impossible to get a kid to drink or take anything at 3 in the morning. " Not so. You give the meds to the kid with an eye-dropper. Squirt it right into the little person's mouth. Rob Helmer and I do this all the time. Works very well. Bob Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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