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Dear Dr Holmes,

 

I apologize for the delayed reply- things have been hectic here. Actually, there

have been

some new developements with this patient since last time I wrote. His URI

developed into a

very nasty acute sinusitis and he was given IV antibiotics for the last three

days at the

hospital where I work. He is feeling much better now, however, and his fever is

gone, but

he will probably be kept on oral antibiotics for at least another week- that

will be up to the

MDs and him.

 

As for his 5E diagnosis, as I believe I previously mentioned, I have no formal

5E training,

so while I can make sense of some of what you speak, there is some which I have

difficulty

following and I have a hard time confirming any 5E diagnosis.

 

 

> legitimately, by accepted Design it should have been HT, but

> the absence of creases rules this out

 

OK. You mean the absence of creases on the lobe, correct? Very interesting. That

in and of

itself is a significant enough sign to rule out HT involvement?

 

>

> what could happen in LU and tend backwards to ST?

>

> a smoking mother

>

> i am betting there was marijuana even at pregnancy but not a good idea

> to force the point, men don't like mothers to come up bad

 

I definitely didn't feel comfortable pressing this issue with him. He seemed to

think it was

entirely possible that she smoked tobacco while she was pregnant with him, but

seemed

fairly sure that she didn't smoke pot during the pregnancy, at least not a lot

of pot. Given

that he was born in San Francisco in 1968, it would not be improbable for her to

have

smoked some pot while she was pregnant. In any case, you see this affecting the

LU and

then insulting back into the ST? Interesting.

 

>

> a. to my mind the illness is ST Earth yin deficient at birth -

> b. causing LU deficient during post pubertal life

 

I think there is some basis for the Earth diagnosis, and there is no doubt in my

mind about

the LU being involved. Earth, because the patient is so thin that maybe there is

some

problem with assimilation of nutrients (Spleen deficiency). Other than that I

don't see that

he has a lot of Earth symtoms, but that ought to be enough, no? Then Earth not

nourishing

Metal leading to Lung Qi deficiency, then the pot smoking damaging the Lung (and

Kidney)

Yin and generating a lot of heat

 

>

> 5 E pattern even if it is vicarious: Inborn Toxic Heat in ST

 

I need a bit more of an explanation to be able to understand your thinking here.

I am

intrigued but can't follow you other than recalling that you said the tonsilitis

was related to

ST heat. Is that it or is there more?.

 

>

> work with this and if it seems OK to you, we can think up protocol

>

> btw if things hold at your confirming, you can expect results

> at first 2 or 3 sessions

>

> by the 10th treatment tonsils should have subsided till they matter

> no more

 

This would be wonderful, although I have to admit I was not expecting that I

could get

results like that so quickly. If you can really help us achieve such results,

this patient will

be most grateful and I will seriously start studying 5E practice!

 

>

> then one can get around to the real problem, to weed out Toxic

> prenatal Heat from ST

 

OK, very good. Let me know what you think from here and then if you can help me

design

a protocol I will begin when the patient is ready.

 

Thanks again for all your help, Dr Holmes. Your time and consideration are most

appreciated!

 

Best wishes,

 

Greg

 

>

> dr holmes

> www.acu-free.com

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Hi Jean, Greg, Tom & All,

 

> > As for root treatment, looks like a shao yang case (wen bing xue,

> > due to vaccination). Not easy to treat in clinical practice...

> > Best of luck, Tom.

 

If I suspect vaccinosis as the root cause of human or animal problems, I

prescribe 1-2 doses of homeopathic high potency (C30 or higher)

THUJA. If that fails, I might prescribe a C30 (or higher potency) nosode

made from the same type of vaccine.

 

Results to 1-2 doses of the above can be spectacular, with symptom

" exaggeration " for 3-7 days, then complete or partial resolution. The

exaggeration fits with " Hering's Law of Cure " - return of all symptoms

that followed the initial onset after vaccination, but in reverse order of

their original appearance.

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the new information that he is thin provisionally stands against a

primary Earth problem, unless it was born of a vicarious peri natal

situation involving Substance

 

in terms of a refined diagnosis please note that we are having

difficulties because of the distance, if one can see a patient the

diagnosis can arrive within minutes

 

5 E works in minutes and is certain, if the practitioner is well trained

 

summarizing:

 

it is either a -

LU condition

or an Earth condition

or very far out, a LV condition

 

what it is not is -

a Water condition

and a HT condition

 

main symptoms -

on ST & LU, almost nothing [from what you have reported] on LV

 

fetal pathology focus -

on LU [maternal and personal smoking of tobbacum & Substance]

 

possible 5 E patterns -

a. LV overwhelming ST

b. Earth not feeding LU

c. LU embroiling LU

d. LU backing into Earth

 

differential diagnosis -

cannot be [a] LV as this would maraud on Earth and one is still left

with the fetal LU toxicity and maternal history up in the air

 

cannot be Earth not feeding LU as this is a Mother Son situation

lacking the fierce pathogenicity, things are too tame

could be [c] LU embroiling LU as this supports the birth & maternal

history, but how can it back into ST, Son to Mother is not a pathogenic

pathway of any significant sort

cannot be [d] LU backing into Earth, unless one factors in the birth &

fetal story

5 E pattern shortlisted -

c. LU embroiling LU

d. LU backing into Earth

differential diagnosis again -

cannot be [c] as this would not explain ST Toxic Heat, Son cannot back

into Mother with this pathogenicity

if we take this as pattern tonsils + sinusitis are left up in the air

can be [d] LU Perverted backing in to ST in prenatal phase

now the odd ball body build -

LU illness can give a thinly tight body

ST illness cannot give a thinly tight body

LU Toxic backing into ST can give a thinly tight body

differential diagnosis pre final -

look for signs of LU & ST illness on chest back

look for signs of LU & ST illness on face as hue

look for signs of LU & ST illness on horary clock

look for signs of LU & ST illness on hara

look for signs of LU & ST illness on ear

confirm LU & ST illness on tongue

final steps -

once you have done this we can still run a final fail safe by reducing

trigger points by reflex point intervention

a final fail safe -

we can treat not by horary 5 shu points, which need a precise diagnosis,

but by -

1. trigger release protocol

2. a generic Earth balancing

3. non specific ear approach

4. non specific 3 Warmer approach

the tonsils, or lets call it by its right name, ST Toxic Heat in throat,

sinuses & [a matter of time before ears kick in with inflammation] all

these will settle down, meaning Heat etc will depart, size will reduce,

but debris will remain and go away over years

the real task is to reverse perinatal qi problems

regards

dr holmes

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Greg A. Livingston wrote:

> Dear Dr Holmes,

>

> I apologize for the delayed reply- things have been hectic here.

> Actually, there have been

> some new developements with this patient since last time I wrote. His

> URI developed into a

> very nasty acute sinusitis and he was given IV antibiotics for the last

> three days at the

> hospital where I work. He is feeling much better now, however, and his

> fever is gone, but

> he will probably be kept on oral antibiotics for at least another week-

> that will be up to the

> MDs and him.

>

> As for his 5E diagnosis, as I believe I previously mentioned, I have no

> formal 5E training,

> so while I can make sense of some of what you speak, there is some which

> I have difficulty

> following and I have a hard time confirming any 5E diagnosis.

>

>

> > legitimately, by accepted Design it should have been HT, but

> > the absence of creases rules this out

>

> OK. You mean the absence of creases on the lobe, correct? Very

> interesting. That in and of

> itself is a significant enough sign to rule out HT involvement?

>

> >

> > what could happen in LU and tend backwards to ST?

> >

> > a smoking mother

> >

> > i am betting there was marijuana even at pregnancy but not a good idea

> > to force the point, men don't like mothers to come up bad

>

> I definitely didn't feel comfortable pressing this issue with him. He

> seemed to think it was

> entirely possible that she smoked tobacco while she was pregnant with

> him, but seemed

> fairly sure that she didn't smoke pot during the pregnancy, at least not

> a lot of pot. Given

> that he was born in San Francisco in 1968, it would not be improbable

> for her to have

> smoked some pot while she was pregnant. In any case, you see this

> affecting the LU and

> then insulting back into the ST? Interesting.

>

> >

> > a. to my mind the illness is ST Earth yin deficient at birth -

> > b. causing LU deficient during post pubertal life

>

> I think there is some basis for the Earth diagnosis, and there is no

> doubt in my mind about

> the LU being involved. Earth, because the patient is so thin that maybe

> there is some

> problem with assimilation of nutrients (Spleen deficiency). Other than

> that I don't see that

> he has a lot of Earth symtoms, but that ought to be enough, no? Then

> Earth not nourishing

> Metal leading to Lung Qi deficiency, then the pot smoking damaging the

> Lung (and Kidney)

> Yin and generating a lot of heat

>

> >

> > 5 E pattern even if it is vicarious: Inborn Toxic Heat in ST

>

> I need a bit more of an explanation to be able to understand your

> thinking here. I am

> intrigued but can't follow you other than recalling that you said the

> tonsilitis was related to

> ST heat. Is that it or is there more?.

>

> >

> > work with this and if it seems OK to you, we can think up protocol

> >

> > btw if things hold at your confirming, you can expect results

> > at first 2 or 3 sessions

> >

> > by the 10th treatment tonsils should have subsided till they matter

> > no more

>

> This would be wonderful, although I have to admit I was not expecting

> that I could get

> results like that so quickly. If you can really help us achieve such

> results, this patient will

> be most grateful and I will seriously start studying 5E practice!

>

> >

> > then one can get around to the real problem, to weed out Toxic

> > prenatal Heat from ST

>

> OK, very good. Let me know what you think from here and then if you can

> help me design

> a protocol I will begin when the patient is ready.

>

> Thanks again for all your help, Dr Holmes. Your time and consideration

> are most

> appreciated!

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Greg

>

> >

> > dr holmes

> > www.acu-free.com

>

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Greg A. Livingston wrote:

> Hi Pete,

>

> Thanks for the reply. I have only ever done a small amount of research into

megadosing of

> vitamin C, so don't know much other than Pauling was a huge advocate. It's

interesting to

> hear your testimonial on your use of this therapy, and I know of some people

in the

> alternative cancer treatment community that advocate this. However, there are

people that

> say it is not such a good idea to take megadoses

 

Hi Greg!

 

The key is *time-release*. If not time-release it goes right through.

This is why people have bad experiences with Vitamin C, they either

don't take enough or they take it in regular pills instead of time-release.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

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In a message dated 8/11/2005 3:25:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

drlivingston writes:

Here is one more piece of info I forgot to include in the patient's history.

He was never

breat fed, only given formula. Not sure if that matters, but given the

immune-system

nature of this case, I thought it should be mentioned.

 

Greg

 

 

Yes, it does matter.

 

Depending on the type of formula, it could have a devastating impact on

metabolism. This young man has taken metabolic hits his whole life and the key

to resurrecting his health is going to be reestablishing proper energy

metabolism.

 

So what to do? Make sure he is not eating foods that he is sensitive to.

Wheat, dairy, definitely out. Have him avoid soy. There is a chance he was

fed soy formula, and soy tends to inhibit the thyroid. That would set him up

for diminished digestion and food intolerance's through out his life.

 

Reestablish the fatty acid side of energy metabolism. Chances are, with

the abuses he has inflicted on him self, he is insulin resistant and his fatty

acid metabolism is in a poor state. Shift him off carbs and supplement him

with decent amount of anti-inflammatory oils. Avoid the standard omega 6 oils.

No corn, safflower, canola, peanut, soy or other highly processed

pro-inflammatory oils for a good long while.

 

The dry weight of the brain and nervous system is 60% fat. A large

percentage of that is DHA, most commonly found in fish oil. The importance of

feeding the brain and nervous system these vital oils cannot be over stated.

Also, there is a phospholipid membrane around all our cells. The oils in these

membranes impact cell wall flexibility and the ability of passing nutrients

across the cell membrane.

 

Reestablish decent energy from the kreb cycle. Along with insulin

resistance comes diminished ability of the cell to uptake magnesium and other

nutrients. You can do this by supplementing nutrients that support the kreb

cycle.

Certain fats and minerals are key.

 

I would suggest not massive doses of Vitamin C, but high doses of mineral

ascorbates. The mineral ascorbates are easily absorbed, are buffered and

bring minerals into circulation. There are a few companies that offer fizzy

mineral ascorbate drinks. I personally like Alacer Corp. They have been

educating the public for decades and have been supporting free supplement choice

actively. Add magnesium citrate into the drink. It is well absorbed and adds

to

the citric acid cycle. Both magnesium and citrates, increase ATP production

and will go a long way to helping the body purge the toxins he has been storing

along the way. Also, zinc, 25-50mgs a day, a good B supplement with at least

50mgs of the majors and sublingual B-12. The later will support the nervous

system, diminish the tendency of the body to push inflammatory responses and

support the methylation detox pathway. Very important.

 

Of course, getting the byproducts of poor metabolism, digestion and

sluggish blood and lymph circulation out of the body is going to be important.

Detox!!!

 

Have him take a good bowel detox with adequate fiber for several weeks.

Make sure he is taking probiotics and feeding them with lots of vegetables and

some fruit. Not to much fruit.

 

Next add a liver cleans. Make sure it has lots of Sylimarin. Do this

for several weeks. During this detox time, make sure he is taking all the good

oils and mineral ascorbates.

 

At any time in this process he could start juicing. Not sugary juices.

I like cucumber, celery, a (one) carrot and a little garlic. 16oz a day makes

a huge diffearnce in general vitality. Fresh is better. Don't make juice

for a week and refrigerate.

 

Check for signs of systemic candida infection. If there, it is

imperative to get rid of it. There are a number of candida protocols out there.

Renew

Life has a pretty good product with recommended dietary changes. More

recently I have been experimenting with coconut oil. Within coconut oil are

fatty

acids that kill candida, are anti-viral and stimulate fatty acid metabolism in

a healthy way. Don't worry about all that saturated fat. It will not cause

problems. Caprylic acid, which has been used to fight candida for decades, is

found in abundance in coconut oil. The people I use coconut oil with, have

all done very well.

 

Does he now or did he ever have many silver filings? If so, include a

metal detox. After the liver detox. The mercury from fillings tends to mix

with saliva while chewing will tend to settle out in the thyroid, tonsils, and

long the digestive track. This will tend to suppress the immune system in

several ways and give you many of the symptoms described in your case.

 

If he is highly motivated in for his good health, you may also suggest

massage therapy and colon hydrotherapy.

 

In the end, there are no simple answers. Healing for this young man is

going to be a journey that if he is willing to under take, will improve his

life across the board. If he uses the suggestions given here, he will find many

secondary symptoms disappearing and the likely hood of serious disease in the

future will diminish tremendously.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

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Hi Greg,

 

about the vaccination and shao yang connection:

 

From the Shang Han Lun we know that there are six stages in diseases caused

by cold. First layer of defense is of course Tai Yang, and from there the

perverse qi can travel to Shao Yang or straight to Yang Ming. Shao Yang is

the level at which the disease is half interior/ half exterior. Perverse qi

can stay there for a long time, when not treated adequately.

 

Vaccination does not follow natural course of disease. A perverse element is

being injected deep into the body. No chance for Tai Yang to catch, or

battle with, the pathogen. The pathogen is being allowed to stay in the body

latently. Some think that this is similar to a Shao Yang course of disease-

the perverse qi is hidden.

 

One of my teachers thought that these hidden xie qi would often develop

knotty heat syndromes, and that the wen bing xue was the best guidance book

for treatment, although far from perfect- vaccination does not follow

natural course of disease.

 

Phil, are your results satisfactory with the homeopathy treatment?

 

Greg, I hope this answers your query,

 

regards,

 

Tom.

 

 

 

----

 

Greg A. Livingston

08/13/05 17:39:30

Chinese Medicine

Re: Huge tonsils and reccurent colds

 

Hi Tom,

 

Thought about the Watermelon frost, but didn't think it would help much.

Maybe I'm

wrong. In any case his throat doesn't really bother him all that much except

when he's got

a sore throat from one of his frequent colds.

 

In any case, I'm more interested in your diagnosis of Shaoyang disease due

to vaccination.

Care to elaborate a bit?

 

Thanks!

 

Greg

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Tom Verhaeghe "

<verhaeghe_tom@h...> wrote:

> Greg,

>

> maybe a simple thing to do, but have you thought of watermelon frost for

> branch treatment of the inflammation? You can find them on every street

> corner in China (those small pharmacies) and they're dirt cheap, and

> effective (for throat pain, mouth sores,...). Better even, get the spray

so

> it'll reach his tonsils.

>

> As for root treatment, looks like a shao yang case (wen bing xue, due to

> vaccination). Not easy to treat in clinical practice...

>

> Best of luck,

>

> Tom.

>

>

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hi chris,

i have read with much interest our message here but

what i didnt under stand is the part about omega6

standard capsules. Why wouldnt they be good in this

case, or at all? Istudy except for tcm with much

interest nutritionm as such this interest me

greetings, evelien

 

--- Musiclear wrote:

 

> In a message dated 8/11/2005 3:25:58 AM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> drlivingston writes:

> Here is one more piece of info I forgot to include

> in the patient's history.

> He was never

> breat fed, only given formula. Not sure if that

> matters, but given the

> immune-system

> nature of this case, I thought it should be

> mentioned.

>

> Greg

>

>

> Yes, it does matter.

>

> Depending on the type of formula, it could have

> a devastating impact on

> metabolism. This young man has taken metabolic hits

> his whole life and the key

> to resurrecting his health is going to be

> reestablishing proper energy

> metabolism.

>

> So what to do? Make sure he is not eating foods

> that he is sensitive to.

> Wheat, dairy, definitely out. Have him avoid soy.

> There is a chance he was

> fed soy formula, and soy tends to inhibit the

> thyroid. That would set him up

> for diminished digestion and food intolerance's

> through out his life.

>

> Reestablish the fatty acid side of energy

> metabolism. Chances are, with

> the abuses he has inflicted on him self, he is

> insulin resistant and his fatty

> acid metabolism is in a poor state. Shift him off

> carbs and supplement him

> with decent amount of anti-inflammatory oils. Avoid

> the standard omega 6 oils.

> No corn, safflower, canola, peanut, soy or other

> highly processed

> pro-inflammatory oils for a good long while.

>

> The dry weight of the brain and nervous system

> is 60% fat. A large

> percentage of that is DHA, most commonly found in

> fish oil. The importance of

> feeding the brain and nervous system these vital

> oils cannot be over stated.

> Also, there is a phospholipid membrane around all

> our cells. The oils in these

> membranes impact cell wall flexibility and the

> ability of passing nutrients

> across the cell membrane.

>

> Reestablish decent energy from the kreb cycle.

> Along with insulin

> resistance comes diminished ability of the cell to

> uptake magnesium and other

> nutrients. You can do this by supplementing

> nutrients that support the kreb cycle.

> Certain fats and minerals are key.

>

> I would suggest not massive doses of Vitamin C,

> but high doses of mineral

> ascorbates. The mineral ascorbates are easily

> absorbed, are buffered and

> bring minerals into circulation. There are a few

> companies that offer fizzy

> mineral ascorbate drinks. I personally like Alacer

> Corp. They have been

> educating the public for decades and have been

> supporting free supplement choice

> actively. Add magnesium citrate into the drink. It

> is well absorbed and adds to

> the citric acid cycle. Both magnesium and citrates,

> increase ATP production

> and will go a long way to helping the body purge the

> toxins he has been storing

> along the way. Also, zinc, 25-50mgs a day, a good B

> supplement with at least

> 50mgs of the majors and sublingual B-12. The later

> will support the nervous

> system, diminish the tendency of the body to push

> inflammatory responses and

> support the methylation detox pathway. Very

> important.

>

> Of course, getting the byproducts of poor

> metabolism, digestion and

> sluggish blood and lymph circulation out of the body

> is going to be important.

> Detox!!!

>

> Have him take a good bowel detox with adequate

> fiber for several weeks.

> Make sure he is taking probiotics and feeding them

> with lots of vegetables and

> some fruit. Not to much fruit.

>

> Next add a liver cleans. Make sure it has lots

> of Sylimarin. Do this

> for several weeks. During this detox time, make

> sure he is taking all the good

> oils and mineral ascorbates.

>

> At any time in this process he could start

> juicing. Not sugary juices.

> I like cucumber, celery, a (one) carrot and a little

> garlic. 16oz a day makes

> a huge diffearnce in general vitality. Fresh is

> better. Don't make juice

> for a week and refrigerate.

>

> Check for signs of systemic candida infection.

> If there, it is

> imperative to get rid of it. There are a number of

> candida protocols out there. Renew

> Life has a pretty good product with recommended

> dietary changes. More

> recently I have been experimenting with coconut oil.

> Within coconut oil are fatty

> acids that kill candida, are anti-viral and

> stimulate fatty acid metabolism in

> a healthy way. Don't worry about all that saturated

> fat. It will not cause

> problems. Caprylic acid, which has been used to

> fight candida for decades, is

> found in abundance in coconut oil. The people I use

> coconut oil with, have

> all done very well.

>

> Does he now or did he ever have many silver

> filings? If so, include a

> metal detox. After the liver detox. The mercury

> from fillings tends to mix

> with saliva while chewing will tend to settle out in

> the thyroid, tonsils, and

> long the digestive track. This will tend to

> suppress the immune system in

> several ways and give you many of the symptoms

> described in your case.

>

> If he is highly motivated in for his good

> health, you may also suggest

> massage therapy and colon hydrotherapy.

>

> In the end, there are no simple answers.

> Healing for this young man is

> going to be a journey that if he is willing to under

> take, will improve his

> life across the board. If he uses the suggestions

> given here, he will find many

> secondary symptoms disappearing and the likely hood

> of serious disease in the

> future will diminish tremendously.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Chris

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

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On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Tom Verhaeghe wrote:

 

> Hi Greg,

>

> about the vaccination and shao yang connection:

>

> From the Shang Han Lun we know that there are six stages in

> diseases caused

> by cold. First layer of defense is of course Tai Yang, and from

> there the

> perverse qi can travel to Shao Yang or straight to Yang Ming. Shao

> Yang is

> the level at which the disease is half interior/ half exterior.

> Perverse qi

> can stay there for a long time, when not treated adequately.

 

Slight correction here. . . shao yang is not 'half interior/half

exterior', it is between the interior and exterior. If it were half

exterior, for example, it would be a combination disease of tai yang

and shao yang, which has symptoms of both channels and different

treatments. By 'perverse qi', I assume you mean xie qi/evil qi?

>

> Vaccination does not follow natural course of disease. A perverse

> element is

> being injected deep into the body. No chance for Tai Yang to catch, or

> battle with, the pathogen. The pathogen is being allowed to stay in

> the body

> latently. Some think that this is similar to a Shao Yang course of

> disease-

> the perverse qi is hidden.

>

This is an interesting concept, even more interesting to me because I

taught it beginning twelve years ago from the point of view of wen

bing xue, in terms of evil qi entering directly into qi, ying/

constructive or xue/blood aspects. It was an original speculation

about the effects of many vaccines. It is at this stage, in my

mind, a working model, a proposed theory that we use to try to

understand clinical phenomena generated by what homeopaths call

'vaccinosis'. I am curious where you came across the idea, as I

never saw it written down before I proposed it. It fascinates me

that others are thinking in a similar fashion about how vaccines

effect the body.

> One of my teachers thought that these hidden xie qi would often

> develop

> knotty heat syndromes, and that the wen bing xue was the best

> guidance book

> for treatment, although far from perfect- vaccination does not follow

> natural course of disease.

 

In wen bing xue, and to some degree in the Shang Han Lun, a latent

evil/fu xie qi can generate internal heat that slowly emanates to

outer layers, for example brewing in the ying aspect and expressing

itself outwards into the qi aspect. In Shang Han Lun, it is

discussed in the appendix on taxation relapse, which occurs when the

zheng qi/upright or correct qi is weakened by taxation through

overwork, irregular eating, lack of rest and emotional stress,

causing the remnants of evil qi to be 'reawakened' with new symptoms.

 

Latent evils are considered to be a type of 'spring warmth' disease

in wen bing xue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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eveliensold writes:

hi chris,

i have read with much interest our message here but

what i didnt under stand is the part about omega6

standard capsules. Why wouldnt they be good in this

case, or at all? Istudy except for tcm with much

interest nutritionm as such this interest me

greetings, evelien

 

 

Hi Evelien,

 

I apologize if I wasn't clear about that.

 

In a healthy person with a healthy diet, there is nothing wrong with the

omega 6 group of oils. They tend to push the inflammation cycle, but we need

that in our daily life. Balance is the key.

 

My comments about the tonsil case were made in an assumption that there

has been an imbalance in the amount of the omega 3 anti-inflammatory group and

the omega 6, pro inflammatory group of EFA's.

 

In the typical western diet and almost certainly in this case, the ratio

of omega 6 to omega 3 fatty acids are biased towards to much omega 6 oil. In

this case, the nature will to push the inflammatory process, creating an

increase in the likelihood of most of today's degenerating diseases. Arthritis,

cancer, asthma, Alzheimer's, heart disease,,ect. Of course, I am not saying

this is the cause of all disease. Excess inflammation just pushes cells beyond

healthy function into stress responses and that is bad over time.

 

If we take a person with an imbalance of fatty acids, and we improve the

ratio, then that person will have a much better chance of becoming well.

 

Many people think that an optimal balance of omega 3 to omega 6 is 1 to

2. In our society, the ratio is often 1 to 20. Over time, this will cause

problems.

 

Does this answer your question?

 

Chris

 

 

 

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Dear Z'ev,

 

yes, I translated xie qi as perverse qi- that is the way we translate it

into Dutch and I must have made the leap from Dutch to English. Evil qi is

Wisemanese, now I remember.

 

About vaccination and fu xie qi: my teacher Bruno Braeckman introduced this

theory to me.

He has very interesting theories about emotions and xie qi; and the immune

system, consciousness and six layers of defense.

He also attaches great importance to environmental factors (such as heavy

metal pollution) and vaccination.

He has developed, apparently just like you, the theory that vaccination

injects xie qi deep inside the body, allowing them to do their " perverse "

activities without the body's natural defense capacities. He believes it

will disrupt the immune system and might even disturb the jing- just like

heavy metals who will nestle deep inside fatty tissues or the nervous system

 

He believes jing disturbances- with related shen disturbances, are the root

cause of today's many complicated (knotty) diseases. Jing does not provide

substance for the shen to flourish, diseases unfold.

So the culprits are vaccination, intoxication (including drugs, heavy metals

toxins from food allergies,pollution) and emotions. All this besides

standard disease causes, like faulty diets, overwork, bedroom taxation etc.

They all will weaken jing, qi and shen.

My teacher regarded excessive emotions as a kind of xie qi. He even treated

emotions on the respective meridian with a simple shu-luo technique, with

fine needles (trying to needle more of the shen-aspect). This emotive xie qi

can be palpated at the pulse, but only with very light touch- barely

touching the skin. If you can feel a pulse at this level i.e. on the skin,

treat it with a shu-luo technique, results can be quite amazing.

 

Treatment is not easy. It takes a long time for jing, shen-consciousness to

recover, and the fu xie qi are hard to expel. All this besides normal tcm

treatment, which by the way might fail in these complex cases since several

factors might not be addressed with normal tcm treatment. Treatment

approaches include dietary (enough fatty acids, for example) and lifestyle

advice.

 

I would say that at this time, it might be more of a theoretical working

model- treatment is still difficult. If anyone on the list knows more about

the subject, please, do not hold back!

 

I have asked Bruno on several occasions if he would write a book on his

theories, but he still hasn't. Although he does not read Chinese himself,

Bruno always uses quotes from respected works (like the books from Claude

Larré & Elisabeth Rochat de la Vallée, and the huang di nei jing, wen bing

xue, SHL,...) upon which he bases his own ideas.There are excellent class

notes by him, but still no book. (Class notes are in Dutch.) There's a lot

more body to Bruno's theories than I indicated here.

 

Would you care to elaborate more on your vaccinosis theory, Z'ev?

 

Regards,

 

Tom.

 

 

 

----

 

 

08/15/05 00:16:02

Chinese Medicine

Re: Re: Huge tonsils and reccurent colds

 

 

On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Tom Verhaeghe wrote:

 

> Hi Greg,

>

> about the vaccination and shao yang connection:

>

> From the Shang Han Lun we know that there are six stages in

> diseases caused

> by cold. First layer of defense is of course Tai Yang, and from

> there the

> perverse qi can travel to Shao Yang or straight to Yang Ming. Shao

> Yang is

> the level at which the disease is half interior/ half exterior.

> Perverse qi

> can stay there for a long time, when not treated adequately.

 

Slight correction here. . . shao yang is not 'half interior/half

exterior', it is between the interior and exterior. If it were half

exterior, for example, it would be a combination disease of tai yang

and shao yang, which has symptoms of both channels and different

treatments. By 'perverse qi', I assume you mean xie qi/evil qi?

>

> Vaccination does not follow natural course of disease. A perverse

> element is

> being injected deep into the body. No chance for Tai Yang to catch, or

> battle with, the pathogen. The pathogen is being allowed to stay in

> the body

> latently. Some think that this is similar to a Shao Yang course of

> disease-

> the perverse qi is hidden.

>

This is an interesting concept, even more interesting to me because I

taught it beginning twelve years ago from the point of view of wen

bing xue, in terms of evil qi entering directly into qi, ying/

constructive or xue/blood aspects. It was an original speculation

about the effects of many vaccines. It is at this stage, in my

mind, a working model, a proposed theory that we use to try to

understand clinical phenomena generated by what homeopaths call

'vaccinosis'. I am curious where you came across the idea, as I

never saw it written down before I proposed it. It fascinates me

that others are thinking in a similar fashion about how vaccines

effect the body.

> One of my teachers thought that these hidden xie qi would often

> develop

> knotty heat syndromes, and that the wen bing xue was the best

> guidance book

> for treatment, although far from perfect- vaccination does not follow

> natural course of disease.

 

In wen bing xue, and to some degree in the Shang Han Lun, a latent

evil/fu xie qi can generate internal heat that slowly emanates to

outer layers, for example brewing in the ying aspect and expressing

itself outwards into the qi aspect. In Shang Han Lun, it is

discussed in the appendix on taxation relapse, which occurs when the

zheng qi/upright or correct qi is weakened by taxation through

overwork, irregular eating, lack of rest and emotional stress,

causing the remnants of evil qi to be 'reawakened' with new symptoms.

 

Latent evils are considered to be a type of 'spring warmth' disease

in wen bing xue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I am fascinated by what you present here, having had similar thoughts

about these issues for some time. One of the ideas I have been

working with is that many drugs have a deep, altering affect on jing/

essence, including all the steroidal drugs from the 'sports drugs' to

prednisone, the hormone replacement therapies, and the SSRI/

antidepressant drugs. This parallels many of the ideas developed by

such homeopaths as George Vithoulkas, who sees modern medications as

powerful weapons that devastate the native immunity of the body and

mind.

 

One of the consequences of this often indiscriminate drugging is that

more 'gentle' natural therapies such as acupuncture and much of

herbal medicine and homeopathy are difficult for desensitized bodies

to respond to properly. These therapies need more time and

perseverance, and damaged immune systems are often habituated to the

hammering, not-so-smart bombing of modern medicine.

 

We need to add drug poisoning, environmental toxins and travel to the

categories of evils that effect human health, and pay special

attention to these. Why travel? Crossing time zones frequently and

indiscriminately throws off the body's time clocks/circadian rhythms,

and people are exposed to a broader range of evils/pathogens in the

water, air, soil, food and people than in former times.

 

 

On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:10 PM, Tom Verhaeghe wrote:

 

> He has developed, apparently just like you, the theory that

> vaccination

> injects xie qi deep inside the body, allowing them to do their

> " perverse "

> activities without the body's natural defense capacities. He

> believes it

> will disrupt the immune system and might even disturb the jing-

> just like

> heavy metals who will nestle deep inside fatty tissues or the

> nervous system

>

> He believes jing disturbances- with related shen disturbances, are

> the root

> cause of today's many complicated (knotty) diseases. Jing does not

> provide

> substance for the shen to flourish, diseases unfold.

> So the culprits are vaccination, intoxication (including drugs,

> heavy metals

> toxins from food allergies,pollution) and emotions. All this besides

> standard disease causes, like faulty diets, overwork, bedroom

> taxation etc.

> They all will weaken jing, qi and shen.

 

 

 

 

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hi chris,

yes, very much so and i agree with you.

thank you very much for your prompt reply

evelien

 

--- Musiclear wrote:

 

> In a message dated 8/14/2005 6:23:59 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> eveliensold writes:

> hi chris,

> i have read with much interest our message here but

> what i didnt under stand is the part about omega6

> standard capsules. Why wouldnt they be good in this

> case, or at all? Istudy except for tcm with much

> interest nutritionm as such this interest me

> greetings, evelien

>

>

> Hi Evelien,

>

> I apologize if I wasn't clear about that.

>

> In a healthy person with a healthy diet, there

> is nothing wrong with the

> omega 6 group of oils. They tend to push the

> inflammation cycle, but we need

> that in our daily life. Balance is the key.

>

> My comments about the tonsil case were made in

> an assumption that there

> has been an imbalance in the amount of the omega 3

> anti-inflammatory group and

> the omega 6, pro inflammatory group of EFA's.

>

> In the typical western diet and almost certainly

> in this case, the ratio

> of omega 6 to omega 3 fatty acids are biased towards

> to much omega 6 oil. In

> this case, the nature will to push the inflammatory

> process, creating an

> increase in the likelihood of most of today's

> degenerating diseases. Arthritis,

> cancer, asthma, Alzheimer's, heart disease,,ect. Of

> course, I am not saying

> this is the cause of all disease. Excess

> inflammation just pushes cells beyond

> healthy function into stress responses and that is

> bad over time.

>

> If we take a person with an imbalance of fatty

> acids, and we improve the

> ratio, then that person will have a much better

> chance of becoming well.

>

> Many people think that an optimal balance of

> omega 3 to omega 6 is 1 to

> 2. In our society, the ratio is often 1 to 20.

> Over time, this will cause

> problems.

>

> Does this answer your question?

>

> Chris

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Dr. Holmes,

 

Again, thank you for taking time with this. I am very busy here, so

it is hard to reply quickly- I apologize.

 

> the new information that he is thin provisionally stands against a

> primary Earth problem, unless it was born of a vicarious peri natal

> situation involving Substance

>

> in terms of a refined diagnosis please note that we are having

> difficulties because of the distance, if one can see a patient the

> diagnosis can arrive within minutes

 

Yes of course, it is difficult to diagnose a patient without having a

look at them. I appreciate your persistance.

 

 

>

> 5 E works in minutes and is certain, if the practitioner is well

trained

>

> summarizing:

>

> it is either a -

> LU condition

> or an Earth condition

> or very far out, a LV condition

>

> what it is not is -

> a Water condition

> and a HT condition

>

> main symptoms -

> on ST & LU, almost nothing [from what you have reported] on LV

 

Yes, there are no obvious LV symotoms as far as I can tell.

>

> fetal pathology focus -

> on LU [maternal and personal smoking of tobbacum & Substance]

>

> possible 5 E patterns -

> a. LV overwhelming ST

> b. Earth not feeding LU

> c. LU embroiling LU

> d. LU backing into Earth

>

> differential diagnosis -

> cannot be [a] LV as this would maraud on Earth and one is still

left

> with the fetal LU toxicity and maternal history up in the air

>

> cannot be Earth not feeding LU as this is a Mother Son

situation

> lacking the fierce pathogenicity, things are too tame

>

> could be [c] LU embroiling LU as this supports the birth & maternal

> history, but how can it back into ST, Son to Mother is not a

pathogenic

> pathway of any significant sort

>

> cannot be [d] LU backing into Earth, unless one factors in the

birth &

> fetal story

>

> 5 E pattern shortlisted -

> c. LU embroiling LU

> d. LU backing into Earth

>

> differential diagnosis again -

> cannot be [c] as this would not explain ST Toxic Heat, Son cannot

back

> into Mother with this pathogenicity

>

> if we take this as pattern tonsils + sinusitis are left up in the

air

>

> can be [d] LU Perverted backing in to ST in prenatal phase

Are you suggesting that this, (d), is the only possible diagnosis?

>

> now the odd ball body build -

> LU illness can give a thinly tight body

> ST illness cannot give a thinly tight body

> LU Toxic backing into ST can give a thinly tight body

his body is exactly this- thin but tight

>

> differential diagnosis pre final -

> look for signs of LU & ST illness on chest back

> look for signs of LU & ST illness on face as hue

> look for signs of LU & ST illness on horary clock

> look for signs of LU & ST illness on hara

> look for signs of LU & ST illness on ear

Patient has slight " pigeon chest " . Back shu points are not

particularly tender except Kidney shu. Face: dark circles under eyes,

apparently for many years. Nothing abnormal on ear that I have

noticed.

>

> confirm LU & ST illness on tongue

Tip of tongue is very red. Middle of tongue has crease, as mentioned

before, and has a slightly greasy thin yellow coat

>

> final steps -

> once you have done this we can still run a final fail safe by

reducing

> trigger points by reflex point intervention

OK. I will need some guidance with this though.

>

> a final fail safe -

> we can treat not by horary 5 shu points, which need a precise

diagnosis,

> but by -

> 1. trigger release protocol

> 2. a generic Earth balancing

> 3. non specific ear approach

> 4. non specific 3 Warmer approach

OK, sounds good.

>

> the tonsils, or lets call it by its right name, ST Toxic Heat in

throat,

> sinuses & [a matter of time before ears kick in with inflammation]

all

> these will settle down, meaning Heat etc will depart, size will

reduce,

> but debris will remain and go away over years

>

> the real task is to reverse perinatal qi problems

I see. I think this patient is ready to do whatever it takes.

Thanks again for your time and consideration, Dr Holmes. It is much

appreciated.

Best,

Greg

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Dear Chris,

 

Thank you so much for all the good information. This patient is

willing to do whatever it takes to regain his health, although in

China it may be difficult for him to follow all of your

recommendations. I will, however, pass on the information and let him

do what he is able to do. I also can use a lot of the advise you gave

for myself, since living in China presents many challenges to health-

the climate is harsh, the pollution is severe, and they use a lot of

really bad oils in cooking. In fact it is possible to buy decent oils

here (well, olive oil at least can be had- there's not a wide variety

of good oils available for the most part), but they are really

expensive.

 

Avoiding soy is kind of a pity since there are so many delicious tofu

dishes and I, for one, love soy milk

 

As for DHA, can you get this elsewhere besides fish? I am afraid to

eat (or recommend others eat) a lot of fish here as the water

pollution is bad. I don't know for a fact, but I would guess there

are lots of heavy metals and other pollutants in fish here.

 

You mention coconut oil. Is this just as a supplement if one has

candida, or can it be used in cooking on a regular basis?

 

Thanks again for all the great ideas. I really appreciate you taking

the time to share your knowledge!

 

Best wishes,

 

Greg

 

 

> Yes, it does matter.

>

> Depending on the type of formula, it could have a devastating

impact on

> metabolism. This young man has taken metabolic hits his whole life

and the key

> to resurrecting his health is going to be reestablishing proper

energy

> metabolism.

>

> So what to do? Make sure he is not eating foods that he is

sensitive to.

> Wheat, dairy, definitely out. Have him avoid soy. There is a

chance he was

> fed soy formula, and soy tends to inhibit the thyroid. That would

set him up

> for diminished digestion and food intolerance's through out his

life.

>

> Reestablish the fatty acid side of energy metabolism. Chances

are, with

> the abuses he has inflicted on him self, he is insulin resistant

and his fatty

> acid metabolism is in a poor state. Shift him off carbs and

supplement him

> with decent amount of anti-inflammatory oils. Avoid the standard

omega 6 oils.

> No corn, safflower, canola, peanut, soy or other highly processed

> pro-inflammatory oils for a good long while.

>

> The dry weight of the brain and nervous system is 60% fat. A

large

> percentage of that is DHA, most commonly found in fish oil. The

importance of

> feeding the brain and nervous system these vital oils cannot be

over stated.

> Also, there is a phospholipid membrane around all our cells. The

oils in these

> membranes impact cell wall flexibility and the ability of passing

nutrients

> across the cell membrane.

>

> Reestablish decent energy from the kreb cycle. Along with

insulin

> resistance comes diminished ability of the cell to uptake magnesium

and other

> nutrients. You can do this by supplementing nutrients that support

the kreb cycle.

> Certain fats and minerals are key.

>

> I would suggest not massive doses of Vitamin C, but high doses

of mineral

> ascorbates. The mineral ascorbates are easily absorbed, are

buffered and

> bring minerals into circulation. There are a few companies that

offer fizzy

> mineral ascorbate drinks. I personally like Alacer Corp. They

have been

> educating the public for decades and have been supporting free

supplement choice

> actively. Add magnesium citrate into the drink. It is well

absorbed and adds to

> the citric acid cycle. Both magnesium and citrates, increase ATP

production

> and will go a long way to helping the body purge the toxins he has

been storing

> along the way. Also, zinc, 25-50mgs a day, a good B supplement

with at least

> 50mgs of the majors and sublingual B-12. The later will support

the nervous

> system, diminish the tendency of the body to push inflammatory

responses and

> support the methylation detox pathway. Very important.

>

> Of course, getting the byproducts of poor metabolism, digestion

and

> sluggish blood and lymph circulation out of the body is going to be

important.

> Detox!!!

>

> Have him take a good bowel detox with adequate fiber for

several weeks.

> Make sure he is taking probiotics and feeding them with lots of

vegetables and

> some fruit. Not to much fruit.

>

> Next add a liver cleans. Make sure it has lots of Sylimarin.

Do this

> for several weeks. During this detox time, make sure he is taking

all the good

> oils and mineral ascorbates.

>

> At any time in this process he could start juicing. Not sugary

juices.

> I like cucumber, celery, a (one) carrot and a little garlic. 16oz

a day makes

> a huge diffearnce in general vitality. Fresh is better. Don't

make juice

> for a week and refrigerate.

>

> Check for signs of systemic candida infection. If there, it is

> imperative to get rid of it. There are a number of candida

protocols out there. Renew

> Life has a pretty good product with recommended dietary changes.

More

> recently I have been experimenting with coconut oil. Within

coconut oil are fatty

> acids that kill candida, are anti-viral and stimulate fatty acid

metabolism in

> a healthy way. Don't worry about all that saturated fat. It will

not cause

> problems. Caprylic acid, which has been used to fight candida for

decades, is

> found in abundance in coconut oil. The people I use coconut oil

with, have

> all done very well.

>

> Does he now or did he ever have many silver filings? If so,

include a

> metal detox. After the liver detox. The mercury from fillings

tends to mix

> with saliva while chewing will tend to settle out in the thyroid,

tonsils, and

> long the digestive track. This will tend to suppress the immune

system in

> several ways and give you many of the symptoms described in your

case.

>

> If he is highly motivated in for his good health, you may also

suggest

> massage therapy and colon hydrotherapy.

>

> In the end, there are no simple answers. Healing for this

young man is

> going to be a journey that if he is willing to under take, will

improve his

> life across the board. If he uses the suggestions given here, he

will find many

> secondary symptoms disappearing and the likely hood of serious

disease in the

> future will diminish tremendously.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Chris

>

>

>

>

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Hi Pete,

 

OK, I will remember that. Can have a look around for that here, but

no guarantees. Thanks again.

 

Greg

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Pete Theisen

<petet@a...> wrote:

> Greg A. Livingston wrote:

> > Hi Pete,

> >

> > Thanks for the reply. I have only ever done a small amount of

research into megadosing of

> > vitamin C, so don't know much other than Pauling was a huge

advocate. It's interesting to

> > hear your testimonial on your use of this therapy, and I know of

some people in the

> > alternative cancer treatment community that advocate this.

However, there are people that

> > say it is not such a good idea to take megadoses

>

> Hi Greg!

>

> The key is *time-release*. If not time-release it goes right

through.

> This is why people have bad experiences with Vitamin C, they either

> don't take enough or they take it in regular pills instead of time-

release.

>

> Regards,

>

> Pete

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Hi Tom and Z'ev

 

Thanks for taking time for the interesting replies. Maybe you and/or

Z'ev can comment on this: If the patient doesn't present with any

Shaoyang syptoms, can you still say there is Shaoyang illness going

on, and if so, how do you go about diagnosing and treating it? I can

see going after latent heat, and this patient certainly has a lot of

deficient heat rising, but then one is not necessarily using Shaoyang

type formulas to treat, correct? Thanks again!

 

Greg

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Tom Verhaeghe "

<verhaeghe_tom@h...> wrote:

> Hi Greg,

>

> about the vaccination and shao yang connection:

>

> From the Shang Han Lun we know that there are six stages in

diseases caused

> by cold. First layer of defense is of course Tai Yang, and from

there the

> perverse qi can travel to Shao Yang or straight to Yang Ming. Shao

Yang is

> the level at which the disease is half interior/ half exterior.

Perverse qi

> can stay there for a long time, when not treated adequately.

>

> Vaccination does not follow natural course of disease. A perverse

element is

> being injected deep into the body. No chance for Tai Yang to catch,

or

> battle with, the pathogen. The pathogen is being allowed to stay in

the body

> latently. Some think that this is similar to a Shao Yang course of

disease-

> the perverse qi is hidden.

>

> One of my teachers thought that these hidden xie qi would often

develop

> knotty heat syndromes, and that the wen bing xue was the best

guidance book

> for treatment, although far from perfect- vaccination does not

follow

> natural course of disease.

>

> Phil, are your results satisfactory with the homeopathy treatment?

>

> Greg, I hope this answers your query,

>

> regards,

>

> Tom.

>

>

>

> ----

>

> Greg A. Livingston

> 08/13/05 17:39:30

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: Huge tonsils and reccurent colds

>

> Hi Tom,

>

> Thought about the Watermelon frost, but didn't think it would help

much.

> Maybe I'm

> wrong. In any case his throat doesn't really bother him all that

much except

> when he's got

> a sore throat from one of his frequent colds.

>

> In any case, I'm more interested in your diagnosis of Shaoyang

disease due

> to vaccination.

> Care to elaborate a bit?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Greg

>

>

> Chinese Medicine , " Tom

Verhaeghe "

> <verhaeghe_tom@h...> wrote:

> > Greg,

> >

> > maybe a simple thing to do, but have you thought of watermelon

frost for

> > branch treatment of the inflammation? You can find them on every

street

> > corner in China (those small pharmacies) and they're dirt cheap,

and

> > effective (for throat pain, mouth sores,...). Better even, get

the spray

> so

> > it'll reach his tonsils.

> >

> > As for root treatment, looks like a shao yang case (wen bing xue,

due to

> > vaccination). Not easy to treat in clinical practice...

> >

> > Best of luck,

> >

> > Tom.

> >

> >

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Hi Greg,

 

Thanks for those kind words. I'm glad to be of service.

 

As far as soy goes, I think used in it's traditional venue, it is still a

good food. If it is not fermented though, there are components that will

subdue the thyroid. For most people with decent thyroid acidity, traditional

soy

is still probably OK. If not, avoid it entirely. IMHO

 

There are other sources of DHA, however, fish oil is the number one

source. I agree about pollution. I eat fish only once of twice a month because

of

it. Although at we just past the season for wild Alaskan sockeye salmon, and

that seems to be still quite good. I almost never eat farmed fish.

 

So, for the fish oils, I recommend Carlson lemon flavored liquid. It is

delicious. Either straight out of the bottle of on salads. Don't cook with

it though. I know there are other good manufactures out there, but part of the

reason I prefer Carlson, is they use fish caught in the peak of season for

harvesting oil, they process close to the docks, use low temp distillation to

remove metals and PCBs, pack the bottles with nitrogen to prevent oxidation, and

add some vit. E to further protect the oils. It doesn't get any better than

that.

 

Coconut oil is saturated, very stable and has a fairly high flash point,

so it is excellent for cooking. Bon appetite.

 

CHris

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/16/2005 9:20:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

drlivingston writes:

Dear Chris,

 

Thank you so much for all the good information. This patient is

willing to do whatever it takes to regain his health, although in

China it may be difficult for him to follow all of your

recommendations. I will, however, pass on the information and let him

do what he is able to do. I also can use a lot of the advise you gave

for myself, since living in China presents many challenges to health-

the climate is harsh, the pollution is severe, and they use a lot of

really bad oils in cooking. In fact it is possible to buy decent oils

here (well, olive oil at least can be had- there's not a wide variety

of good oils available for the most part), but they are really

expensive.

 

Avoiding soy is kind of a pity since there are so many delicious tofu

dishes and I, for one, love soy milk

 

As for DHA, can you get this elsewhere besides fish? I am afraid to

eat (or recommend others eat) a lot of fish here as the water

pollution is bad. I don't know for a fact, but I would guess there

are lots of heavy metals and other pollutants in fish here.

 

You mention coconut oil. Is this just as a supplement if one has

candida, or can it be used in cooking on a regular basis?

 

Thanks again for all the great ideas. I really appreciate you taking

the time to share your knowledge!

 

Best wishes,

 

Greg

 

 

 

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Greg,

I originally responded to Tom's post as a general discussion on

latent evils and shao yang, I haven't really examined your case due

to time constraints, but if you do not see a shao yang pattern, it is

not to be treated as a shao yang pattern. However, this doesn't mean

that modifications of xiao chai hu tang, such as chai hu si wu tang

cannot be used in such cases.

 

 

On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:41 AM, Greg A. Livingston wrote:

 

> Hi Tom and Z'ev

>

> Thanks for taking time for the interesting replies. Maybe you and/or

> Z'ev can comment on this: If the patient doesn't present with any

> Shaoyang syptoms, can you still say there is Shaoyang illness going

> on, and if so, how do you go about diagnosing and treating it? I can

> see going after latent heat, and this patient certainly has a lot of

> deficient heat rising, but then one is not necessarily using Shaoyang

> type formulas to treat, correct? Thanks again!

>

> Greg

>

 

 

 

 

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