Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 Echinacea does little against colds-study By Gene Emery Wed Jul 27, 5:24 PM ET BOSTON (Reuters) - Echinacea, the herbal remedy widely believed to prevent or ease the misery of the common cold, turns out to be no more effective than a placebo, according to a new study by the University of Virginia School of Medicine. The finding, published in Thursday's New England Journal of Medicine, is the latest to show no benefit from the herb, which is widely billed as an immune system booster and promoted by advocates of " natural " remedies as a proven treatment. Whether the conclusions will influence sales of echinacea is a matter of debate. In a commentary in the Journal, Wallace Sampson, editor of the scientific Review of Alternative Medicine, said a study disproving the effectiveness of such remedies " rarely leads the supplement industry to reduce production or the public to decrease use. In fact, advocates often dismiss disproof. " The reputation of echinacea, also known as purple coneflower, is so vaulted that the herb is recommended by the World Health Organization as a treatment for the common cold. The study, led by Ronald Turner of the University of Virginia, tested echinacea on 399 volunteers to determine whether any of three preparations had an active ingredient that reduced the risk of infection or symptoms if an infection took hold. Although the researchers tested the echinacea species originally used by Native Americans in the Midwest and endorsed by WHO, the treatment was no more effective than a placebo. There are many types of echinacea preparations, so it would be difficult to test them all, Turner said. " Our study, however, adds to the accumulating evidence that suggests that the burden of proof should lie with those who advocate this treatment. " In his commentary, Sampson said most of the previous tests that helped build echinacea's reputation " were of small, inadequately controlled studies sponsored by industry. " Turner's study was funded by the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine, a government agency that pays for research largely on the basis of the popularity of the unconventional treatment. " Since 1999, the ( National Institutes of Health) has spent almost $1.5 billion in grants for research into alternative methods. NCCAM has spent almost half that amount and has found no evidence of efficacy and little evidence of inefficacy, " Simpson said. He said it's time to devote that money to tests of treatments that have " passed through the sieve of plausibility and that is consistent with basic sciences, other applied sciences, and history _ all molded by wisdom and common sense. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 " Since 1999, the ( National Institutes of Health) has spent almost $1.5 billion in grants for research into alternative methods. NCCAM has spent almost half that amount and has found no evidence of efficacy and little evidence of inefficacy, " Simpson said. If the last part of this phrase is accurate then it appears that we are in a witch hunt and on the losing end. It sounds more like money is being spent to discredit various alternative therapies instead of understanding how they might help us with our health. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 What are the TCM qualities of Echinacea. We're batting around the findings of this study, but what I am curious about are from a TCM perspective what is Echinacea supposed to do, and does it do these things? - Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Echinacea is cold and acrid, and may be similar to Chinese medicinals such as lian qiao/fr. forsythia in clearing heat and toxin from the qi aspect. It seems to outthrust evil heat to the exterior. It also seems to harmonize the stomach. However, like most Chinese and other herbal medicinals, it has limitations according to pattern. It needs to be combined with other medicinals for maximum effectiveness. You can't just give it to everyone with colds and/or flus, and it isn't simplistically an 'immune tonic'. Studies designed in this way are bound to give disappointing results, like those done with gingko and other herbs like st. johnswort in the past. On Jul 28, 2005, at 3:55 PM, mmilotay wrote: > What are the TCM qualities of Echinacea. We're batting around the > findings of > this study, but what I am curious about are from a TCM perspective > what is > Echinacea supposed to do, and does it do these things? > > - Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > Echinacea is cold and acrid, and may be similar to Chinese > medicinals such as lian qiao/fr. forsythia in clearing heat > and toxin from the qi aspect. It seems to outthrust evil > heat to the exterior. It also seems to harmonize the stomach. I agree. I study herbalism at Chicago College of Healing Arts. We study mostly Western herbs but are taught to make assessments using TCM. Our main herb teacher is an acupuncturist. At CCHA we are taught to use echinacea (pungent, salty, cool, dry) more as a activating herb, not so much as a tonic. Commission E advises not to use Echinacea continuously for more than 8 weeks. If used more than 2 weeks, we are taught to pulse it. From what I learned at CCHA I wouldn't use it unless something hot was starting to happen and I'd stop when the symptoms respond. > However, like most Chinese and other herbal medicinals, it has > limitations according to pattern. It needs to be combined with > other medicinals for maximum effectiveness. You can't just give > it to everyone with colds and/or flus, and it isn't simplistically > an 'immune tonic'. I'm in total agreement. At CCHA our teacher suggests using it (when needed as indicated by reading pulse et cetera) combined with goldenseal (bitter, cold, but with some warming potential in digestive and genitourinary tracts) or oregon grape root (bitter,cold, descending). One of her favorite combinations for the early stages of hot infections is echinacea, wild indigo (bitter, pungent, cool), and eyebright (pungent, bitter, cool, dry). I assume those combinations are just the base of even more complex formulas she puts together specifically for each client. Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 At 03:55 PM 7/28/2005 -0700, mmilotay wrote: >What are the TCM qualities of Echinacea. We're batting around the findings of >this study, but what I am curious about are from a TCM perspective what is >Echinacea supposed to do, and does it do these things? As Z'ev mentions, Echinacea is similar to the main ingredients we use in formulas such as GanMaoLing (the modern formula) or YinQiao, or even BiYanPian, i.e. cold bitter flowers, heavy with antimicrobal chemical components. These (in balanced formulas!) work very well, as we know, in prevention and at first symptomatic response, especially when at least partially dissolved in the mouth such that the ingredients seep through the saliva into the membrane fluids at the throat and post-nasal areas. Noteworthy is that a similar formula (of Chinese herbs) is in, and very likely the active component of " Air Borne " (spelling?), that heavily promoted and increasingly popular OTC remedy for incipient W/C W/H respiratory conditions. As I point out to people/patients, a notable difference is that, behind the fancy packaging, one gets 10 tablets of AirBorne for $6-$7, but 100 tablets of, e.g., GanMaoLing, which I resell for $5, and Chinese herb shops sell for $3-$4 (and, I've heard, Whole Foods sells for ca. $7). Frankly, I'd just as soon those researchers and reviewers did not turn their attention to these/our patent formulas. The formulas would not be effected by scientific " debunking " , and the market would likely be seriously distorted / exploited is they were " validated " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Hi All, & Bob, Bob Linde,AP, Herbalist wrote: > [The echinacea study that failed to show a benefit] was generally good > research save for one minor error.....the dosage was way to small. To > read more about it check out Mark Blumenthal's comments at > www.herbalgram.com Bob Linde, AP, RH (AHG) www.acuherbals.com See http://www.herbalgram.com/default.asp?c=echinacea072605 for the the details. The important comments were: " The trial utilized 3 doses of 1.5ml each of the three laboratory-produced echinacea extracts, presumably equivalent to about 300mg of dried powdered root in each dose (equivalent to 900mg/day of dried root). This level was chosen for the trial because it is the dose recommended by the German government’s expert herb panel called the Commission E, which had conducted reviews of the research published on various types of echinacea in the scientific and medical literature in the early 1990s. According to ABC various international monographs have acknowledged the generally higher dose used for echinacea root products. The World Health Organization (WHO) monograph for Echinacea root (“Rx Echniaceae”) has a dosage for Echinacea angustifolia root at the equivalence of 3g/day of dried root. This same dosage is also acknowledged in the more recently developed draft monographs on Echinacea from the Canadian Natural Health Productsate. " Best regards, Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) Ireland. Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - Chinese Proverb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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