Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 hi everybody i have here a patient that came to me for a simple stiff neck and told me in the course of the treatment that he suffers since childhood from cold in the bones. the cold feeling is felt specially in very dry and hot weather, which creates a need for blankets, and becomes better being in very dry, hot weather (desert climate). The patient is also depressed since childhood and recently was operated on a melanoma in the eyes. signs and symptoms of deficient immunity are present in the actual life. patient is male, 37 years old and seemingly very strong and healthy with a strong physical constitution. strong problems with motherbonding. I am a twina therapist and only next year will finish my studies and would be interested to hear opinions about the phenomen of cold in the bones, and, would appreciate references to ancient texts. thanks evelien __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 this looks like a LU Def at birth pattern this would explain Cold & melanoma in eye the only other pattern is Fire on Metal can you look up signs for these patterns? v interesting btw if pattern known healing is assured dr holmes www.acu-free.com 1.888.TCM.CEUS 826.2387 evelien sold wrote: > hi everybody > i have here a patient that came to me for a simple > stiff neck and told me in the course of the treatment > that he suffers since childhood from cold in the > bones. the cold feeling is felt specially in very dry > and hot weather, which creates a need for blankets, > and becomes better being in very dry, hot weather > (desert climate). The patient is also depressed since > childhood and recently was operated on a melanoma in > the eyes. signs and symptoms of deficient immunity are > present in the actual life. patient is male, 37 years > old and seemingly very strong and healthy with a > strong physical constitution. strong problems with > motherbonding. > > I am a twina therapist and only next year will finish > my studies and would be interested to hear opinions > about the phenomen of cold in the bones, and, would > appreciate references to ancient texts. > thanks > evelien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 hello, dr holmes, thanks very much for your answer. First of all your answer gave a train of thought of other signs and symptoms that would very well fit this pattern c.q. patient complains about feeling himself to be " a piece of cloth that has holes in the weaving " now if i understand you right i should look for kid lu, zheng qi, wei qi, and the above quotations could be a deficiency in wei qi. other: vertigo.Kid heat signs fire metal, as far as i can see are not present. There is however irritability,lack of patience, a feeling of burning just below umbilicus that might be absent for months. patient has aversion to touch, noise,people c.q. the intrusion of outside is felt to be too invasive mostly, Could this point to deficient wei qi as well? the connection between melanoma and lung def at birth is not clear to me. patient suffers mentally and has not been able to establish a meaningfull expression of himself into the world, looks for protective emotional relationships. my feeling is that the prognose for this otherwise very intelligent and able man is low if no adequate diagnose is made and treated accordingly, yours evelien --- holmes <dkaikobad wrote: > this looks like a LU Def at birth pattern > > this would explain Cold & melanoma in eye > > the only other pattern is Fire on Metal > > can you look up signs for these patterns? > > v interesting > > btw if pattern known healing is assured > > dr holmes > www.acu-free.com > 1.888.TCM.CEUS 826.2387 > > evelien sold wrote: > > > hi everybody > > i have here a patient that came to me for a simple > > stiff neck and told me in the course of the > treatment > > that he suffers since childhood from cold in the > > bones. the cold feeling is felt specially in very > dry > > and hot weather, which creates a need for > blankets, > > and becomes better being in very dry, hot weather > > (desert climate). The patient is also depressed > since > > childhood and recently was operated on a melanoma > in > > the eyes. signs and symptoms of deficient immunity > are > > present in the actual life. patient is male, 37 > years > > old and seemingly very strong and healthy with a > > strong physical constitution. strong problems with > > motherbonding. > > > > I am a twina therapist and only next year will > finish > > my studies and would be interested to hear > opinions > > about the phenomen of cold in the bones, and, > would > > appreciate references to ancient texts. > > thanks > > evelien > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 at this stage, stay with the physical, signs you can see and calibrate, things you can touch and feel and place into the right profiles you are probably an artistically inclined healer with great sensitivity to emotional fluxes. while this is valuable at other times, at this critical time it stands in the way and may confuse issues. i am also getting the impression that you may not be as familiar with 5 E patterns as i would presume you are, which can stand in the way of our communication " the connection between melanoma and lung def at birth is not clear to me " the connection is loud and clear and actually quite insistent, you cannot but listen to it at birth LU yin runs deficient off the bat it cannot control Wood and make it behave Water qi is impoverished, but not ill at puberty and in later life K Son runs deficient this also provides little support to LV Wood LU soon becomes murderous to Wood Wood as a secondary element runs in Excess pattern of LU def with LV excess is established order of the day: work with LU signs i sent in earlier and establish LU dr holmes evelien sold wrote: > hello, dr holmes, > thanks very much for your answer. First of all your > answer gave a train of thought of other signs and > symptoms that would very well fit this pattern c.q. > patient complains about feeling himself to be " a piece > of cloth that has holes in the weaving " now if i > understand you right i should look for kid lu, zheng > qi, wei qi, and the above quotations could be a > deficiency in wei qi. other: vertigo.Kid > heat signs fire metal, as far as i can see are not > present. There is however irritability,lack of > patience, a feeling of burning just below umbilicus > that might be absent for months. > patient has aversion to touch, noise,people c.q. the > intrusion of outside is felt to be too invasive > mostly, > Could this point to deficient wei qi as well? > the connection between melanoma and lung def at birth > is not clear to me. > patient suffers mentally and has not been able to > establish a meaningfull expression of himself into the > world, looks for protective emotional relationships. > my feeling is that the prognose for this otherwise > very intelligent and able man is low if no adequate > diagnose is made and treated accordingly, > yours evelien > > > --- holmes <dkaikobad wrote: > > > this looks like a LU Def at birth pattern > > > > this would explain Cold & melanoma in eye > > > > the only other pattern is Fire on Metal > > > > can you look up signs for these patterns? > > > > v interesting > > > > btw if pattern known healing is assured > > > > dr holmes > > www.acu-free.com > > 1.888.TCM.CEUS 826.2387 > > > > evelien sold wrote: > > > > > hi everybody > > > i have here a patient that came to me for a simple > > > stiff neck and told me in the course of the > > treatment > > > that he suffers since childhood from cold in the > > > bones. the cold feeling is felt specially in very > > dry > > > and hot weather, which creates a need for > > blankets, > > > and becomes better being in very dry, hot weather > > > (desert climate). The patient is also depressed > > since > > > childhood and recently was operated on a melanoma > > in > > > the eyes. signs and symptoms of deficient immunity > > are > > > present in the actual life. patient is male, 37 > > years > > > old and seemingly very strong and healthy with a > > > strong physical constitution. strong problems with > > > motherbonding. > > > > > > I am a twina therapist and only next year will > > finish > > > my studies and would be interested to hear > > opinions > > > about the phenomen of cold in the bones, and, > > would > > > appreciate references to ancient texts. > > > thanks > > > evelien > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 dr. holmes, great, it falls into place and advice is taken with thanks. furthermore: after four years of studying tcm , however intensive, i could hardly presume to be familiar with the five elements at the necessary level needed to diagnose with care and precision. real level comes only with much study and experience. yours, evelien --- holmes <dkaikobad wrote: > at this stage, stay with the physical, signs you can > see and calibrate, > things you > can touch and feel and place into the right profiles > > you are probably an artistically inclined healer > with great sensitivity > to emotional > fluxes. while this is valuable at other times, at > this critical time it > stands in the way > and may confuse issues. > > i am also getting the impression that you may not be > as familiar with 5 > E patterns > as i would presume you are, which can stand in the > way of our communication > > " the connection between melanoma and lung def at > birth > is not clear to me " > > the connection is loud and clear and actually quite > insistent, you > cannot but listen > to it > > at birth LU yin runs deficient > off the bat it cannot control Wood and make it > behave > Water qi is impoverished, but not ill > at puberty and in later life K Son runs deficient > this also provides little support to LV Wood > LU soon becomes murderous to Wood > Wood as a secondary element runs in Excess > pattern of LU def with LV excess is established > > order of the day: > work with LU signs i sent in earlier and establish > LU > > dr holmes > > > > > evelien sold wrote: > > > hello, dr holmes, > > thanks very much for your answer. First of all > your > > answer gave a train of thought of other signs and > > symptoms that would very well fit this pattern > c.q. > > patient complains about feeling himself to be " a > piece > > of cloth that has holes in the weaving " now if i > > understand you right i should look for kid lu, > zheng > > qi, wei qi, and the above quotations could be a > > deficiency in wei qi. other: vertigo.Kid > > heat signs fire metal, as far as i can see are not > > present. There is however irritability,lack of > > patience, a feeling of burning just below > umbilicus > > that might be absent for months. > > patient has aversion to touch, noise,people c.q. > the > > intrusion of outside is felt to be too invasive > > mostly, > > Could this point to deficient wei qi as well? > > the connection between melanoma and lung def at > birth > > is not clear to me. > > patient suffers mentally and has not been able to > > establish a meaningfull expression of himself into > the > > world, looks for protective emotional > relationships. > > my feeling is that the prognose for this otherwise > > very intelligent and able man is low if no > adequate > > diagnose is made and treated accordingly, > > yours evelien > > > > > > --- holmes <dkaikobad wrote: > > > > > this looks like a LU Def at birth pattern > > > > > > this would explain Cold & melanoma in eye > > > > > > the only other pattern is Fire on Metal > > > > > > can you look up signs for these patterns? > > > > > > v interesting > > > > > > btw if pattern known healing is assured > > > > > > dr holmes > > > www.acu-free.com > > > 1.888.TCM.CEUS 826.2387 > > > > > > evelien sold wrote: > > > > > > > hi everybody > > > > i have here a patient that came to me for a > simple > > > > stiff neck and told me in the course of the > > > treatment > > > > that he suffers since childhood from cold in > the > > > > bones. the cold feeling is felt specially in > very > > > dry > > > > and hot weather, which creates a need for > > > blankets, > > > > and becomes better being in very dry, hot > weather > > > > (desert climate). The patient is also > depressed > > > since > > > > childhood and recently was operated on a > melanoma > > > in > > > > the eyes. signs and symptoms of deficient > immunity > > > are > > > > present in the actual life. patient is male, > 37 > > > years > > > > old and seemingly very strong and healthy with > a > > > > strong physical constitution. strong problems > with > > > > motherbonding. > > > > > > > > I am a twina therapist and only next year will > > > finish > > > > my studies and would be interested to hear > > > opinions > > > > about the phenomen of cold in the bones, and, > > > would > > > > appreciate references to ancient texts. > > > > thanks > > > > evelien > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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